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Sobesky Academy

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'''Sobesky Academy''' is a K-12 alternative school in [[wikipedia:Wheat Ridge,_Colorado|Wheat Ridge, Colorado]], for troubled youths that attempts to reintroduce children back into public schools.<ref name=":0">https://sobesky.jeffcopublicschools.org/about</ref><ref>[[FlyingFoxandwings AMA]]</ref> It is a part of the Jefferson County Public Schools district.

From 2016-2017, [[Daniel]] attended Sobesky Academy for his high school education, graduating as a senior in 2017 at age 18-19.

== Time in School ==

=== Academic Life ===

Daniel started attending Sobesky in 2016, the same year the academy relocated from [[wikipedia:Lakewood, Colorado|Lakewood]] to Wheat Ridge.

Daniel took Algebra 2, though he struggled with math and was described as having academic retention. He once acted as one of the mascots for his school's softball team, and was apparently obsessed with singing even before he became infatuated with [[Grace VanderWaal]].

=== Social Life ===

Not much is known about Daniel's time in Sobesky, as he hasn't talked much about his high school years in comparison to his time at the [[Tennyson Center]]. Most of the information regarding Daniel's social life at the school comes from a [[FlyingFoxandwings AMA|Reddit AMA]] held by one of his former classmates, known by the username FlyingFoxandwings.

According to them, Daniel wasn't as eccentric as he was in later years, describing him as being quiet and reserved, and a "total wallflower" who "seemed pretty normal". Nevertheless, he was still prone to having the occasional outburst or meltdown at the school, which would sometimes lapse into him [[Self-harm|hitting himself]]. These outbursts would often necessitate in a "close and lock"; whenever a student got unruly and too out of control, the building would effectively be placed on lockdown, with students secured inside and not allowed to leave their classrooms. According to FlyingFoxandwings, this was a very common occurrence at the school, and not just with Daniel (who only occasionally caused close-and-locks). He would often have an escort by his side.

== Graduation ==

Daniel Larson graduated from high school as a senior in 2017. There is an image of what appears to be him at his graduation, wearing green robes and hat.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/p0l2fd/larson_at_his_highschool_graduation/</ref> Because it is not a true high school, Daniel does not have a GED or any diploma, but rather a certificate.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/16g5bgo/daniel_never_graduated_from_high_school/</ref>

== See Also ==

* [[Tennyson Center]]
* [[November 6th Arrest]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Places]]

Elisabeth Shimer

2026-03-17T09:59:16Z

Sorades: /* Daniel */

{{Videos Need Archiving}}{{Needs Updating|Sources=[[Spiddlekick Interview]], [[Rooftop Interview]]}}
{{Quote|I am a [[Music Career|singer, song writer]]. I am a Christan and Believe that God put me here for a Good reason. I show my love for him through my music..|author=Elisabeth's Facebook bio.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/p/Elisabeth-Shimer-100061085711239/</ref>}}
{{Quote|My son is my heart....I would sacrifice everything for him that is in my life..........I LOVE YOU MY BIG BOY...................||author=Elisabeth, about a young [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]]. That did not age well.}}
{{Infobox|image=ElisabethShimer.jpeg|imageDesc=Notice her distinct lack of eyebrows.|name=Elisabeth Shimer|Knownas=Lisa|Alignment=Daniel Larson’s mother|DOB=November 4, 1976 - October 2024 (aged 47)|Nationality=American|Race=White|Parents= [[Nancy Shimer]] (1947–2019) [[Family#Daniel William Shimer|Daniel William Shimer]] (1943–2015)|Arcs=[[Before Era]]}}
'''Elisabeth Lee Avey''' (née '''Shimer''', pronounced: [shy-mer]; November 4, 1976 – October 2024), name commonly mispelled as '''Elizabeth''', was the ex-lover of [[Travis Larson]], adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] and [[Family#Daniel William Shimer|Daniel William Shimer]], and most notably, the mother of [[Daniel Larson]] and his late siblings, [[Family#Joyetta and Olivia Larson|Joyetta and Olivia Larson.]]

Daniel's father has remained a rather unpopular figure in the Daniel Larson community, but the same cannot be said for Elisabeth. She has remained consistently disliked, even by Daniel. Elisabeth had been accused of being highly neglectful and abusive towards her son, which is questionable, although somewhat substantiated due to the fact that Daniel was relocated to the [[Tennyson Center]] during his childhood. Despite this fact, Elisabeth had also accused her own son of abuse towards her, which is substantiated as Elisabeth was documented to have been [[November 6th Arrest|assaulted by Daniel]] when he was 18 years old. Despite these mutual accusations of abuse, Elisabeth’s behaviors seem to have rubbed off onto Daniel during his childhood, as [[Discography|much like her son]], she too had an interest in music.

Nonetheless, after [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]]'s death, Elisabeth wished to keep absolutely no contact with Daniel, presumably having put a restraining order on him along with [[Travis Larson|Travis]]. This is most likely due to the physical assault she had endured, although the claim of this restraining order on him has yet to be confirmed.

Sometime in October 2024, Elisabeth passed away from undisclosed causes.
==Biography==
Elisabeth Lee Shimer was born on November 4, 1976, in California. She is the adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] and [[Family|Daniel William Shimer]]. Nancy was said to have adopted her through connections from her job as a social worker, as her job required relocating infants to care homes, with Elisabeth being one of these infants.<ref>[[Spiddlekick Interview]]</ref> Due to this, information on her biological family is unknown. While unconfirmed, Elisabeth herself most likely suffers from the same mental disabilities Daniel has, or is at least somewhat mentally challenged. These claims come from her appearance, which is generally not seen in able-bodied individuals, and disabilities such as autism having very high heritability rates. However, until further information comes out, it will remain unknown exactly what she suffers from.

Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy prior to her divorce with Daniel Shimer, her adoptive father. It is unknown what real to relationship she had with him or her adoptive sisters.

In 1990, Elisabeth enrolled in YPIA (Young Peoples Institute of Arts and Academics), where she graduated from in 1993.<ref name=":0">https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> From 1995 to 2004, Elisabeth enrolled in Antelope Valley College, graduating in Music and Performing Arts.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> Not long after enrolling in AVC, Elisabeth would meet [[Travis Larson]], who, not long after, would help conceive Daniel with, to which she would give birth on November 15th, 1998.[[File:Daniel's Mother Greiving.png|thumb|500x500px|Daniel's mother grieving the deaths of Joyetta and Olivia.]]
Later on, Elisabeth would conceive children with Travis once more. She gave birth to Daniel's only biological siblings, [[Family|Joyetta and Olivia Larson]], on March 27, 2001. The twins passed away the following day due to RH incompatibility.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0MnyaEcaQ2RWSmKDwvt26jKSZw7xEZRMYiBkFQAV3EENY8vvYHxxfFuLFWcn8FYual</ref>

Elisabeth would move to [[Colorado Springs|Colorado]] in 2009, when Daniel was 11.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F100000130337751%2Fposts%2F348916081789400%2F</ref> According to YouTube comments, her reasoning for moving to Colorado was due to the greater mental and physical health support, which both her and Daniel would need. By this time, Elisabeth was in a wheelchair due her years-long battle with lupus, compounded by several rounds of chemotherapy and immunosuppressants.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid02s8UAJC62RxL7SuCvYSnEcRNePmbR4QnBgTEBvWk7MmQxpxPMXaN4sQ3f1hrpRsA8l</ref> Since Elisabeth was roughly 20 years old, she had been diagnosed with an aggressive form of lupus, an incurable genetic autoimmune disease found predominantly in women, which caused her multiple health related issues.<ref>[https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain. https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain.]</ref>

But not long after, she would have no custody over him, as [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]] would be taken away by the state of Colorado and begin living in foster care, and eventually the [[Tennyson Center]]. While the reason stated for Daniel being taken away was due to neglect, it is unconfirmed as to what Elisabeth (or Travis) did to him.[[File:Elisabeth's Tweets.png|thumb|328x328px|Elisabeth, tweeting about her "music career"]]Daniel has stated that his mother “couldn’t take care of him anymore,”{{Citation Needed}} and given the fact that at this time Elisabeth was disabled and in a wheelchair, it is very likely that her disability impacted her ability and to care for him, resulting in neglect. Even so, it is hard to tell what is true about Elisabeth and what is not, due to Daniel constantly going back and forth on whether he was abused or not. This seems likely, though, as in 2010, Travis and Elisabeth had parted ways. According to one of Elisabeths facbeook posts, this occured after Travis told Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as he would "never get better". With this absence, it most likely added an extra factor of difficulty to parenting Daniel.
With her new husband, James Avey, who she'd get engaged to on January 1st, 2011, she would co-own their business, [[Avey Incubator Inc]] in 2010, which sold animal incubators.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484311132578%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref>
[[File:ElisabethNewHusband.png|left|thumb|284x284px|Elisabeth, and James Avey. ]]
Something that is interesting to note about Elisabeth is her affinity for singing, which most likely influenced Daniel to pursue a career in singing. On her YouTube account, she would upload several videos of her singing, the most infamous being tributes to various people, namely Daniel. One of these videos was directed towards Daniel, where [https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Wd4lJI8KWas she sang "I Won't Give Up", which was posted on the 28th of September, 2014.]

On Elisabeth's Twitter account, she would frequently post about going to a music studio to work on her original songs, although these claims of having a music "career" and having "fans" are obviously untrue.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/12isgoq/now_we_see_where_he_gets_his_musical_career_and/</ref>

Sometime after Daniel was adopted by Nancy, Elisabeth was soon given access to see him once more, though the exact date is unknown. She had also made a tribute video to Joyetta and Olivia, wherein she sang "Angels", sharing various pictures of them after birth. Elisabeth shows an intense love for both of these children, although by the time the video had been posted, it had been well over a decade after their births, presumably showing more love for them than Daniel.

Sometime in 2015, Elisabeth went into partial assisted living, where her health would deteriorate further, evidenced by her posting on Facebook about herself being in and out of the hospital on a daily basis.[See discussion page, '''do not cite''']

On February 8th, 2016, Elisabeth posted on Facebook that she is paralyzed from the breastbone down, causing her to be in a wheelchair permanently.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0JtMbBhGNdBew78Qi6SyKKBNiPPMESAGtkUhjbrYViPSBdQue765qeJWpVZFK8C5Bl</ref> This should be remembered, as her being in a wheelchair would not prove to be positive within the coming years.

[[File:ElisabethDeath.png|thumb|277x277px|Facebook posts from Donna]]

=== Death ===
Elisabeth died in October 2024 at the age of 47 due to unknown circumstances. The circumstances of her death are widely debated, with many attempting to contest that Daniel's mother had truly passed.

Elisabeth's death was initially made known by Daniel's biological aunt, Donna Mcelroy. It is widely believed that Donna is Elisabeth's sister from her biological family. This relationship is reinforced by past posts made by Donna which Elisabeth commented on. In a Facebook post made in August 2024, Donna made it known that she had not heard from Elisabeth in nearly two years, before posting in October of same year, announcing Elisabeths death and asking for further information regarding it.

As of 2025, it is still unknown what caused Elisabeths death. Additionally, the status of her husband is also unknown.

== Custody Battle for Daniel ==
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==Relationships==
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth disavowing Travis. You go, girl!|280x280px]]
===Travis===
''Main article: [[Travis Larson]]''

Like many other aspects about them, not much about their relationship with each other is known. But, according to Facebook posts, their relationship deteriorated around [[Timeline (2010s)|2010]], coming to a screeching halt after Travis called Daniel a lost cause, insisting he would never get better. The fact that [[Daniel Larson Wiki|this very wiki]] exists has (unfortunately) proven him correct.
[[File:Elisabeth Venting.png|left|thumb|211x211px|Elisabeth venting on Facebook.]]
After this, Elisabeth insisted that she did not need a man in her life, claiming Travis to be "..obsessed with sex" and not caring for others feelings. These posts kicked off a constant theme of not needing a man in her life. However, this did not last very long, following her engagement on January 1st, 2011.

After their breakup, Travis left her for another woman not long after Daniel was taken away. Following their breakup, Travis had at least one daughter with his new wife Paige, named Aurora Larson.

===Nancy===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''
[[File:ElisabethNancy.png|thumb|250x250px|Got anymore pixels?]]
Elisabeth's relationship with her adopted mother is most unknown. What is known is that through connections as a social worker, Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy. Though, it is not known at what time or year she was adopted. In June 2022, in comments made under a video uploaded by [[Papa Gut]], she elaborated on her relationship with her Nancy, where she claimed that Nancy had not liked her moving away to Colorado in 2009, resulting in Nancy "spreading lies", said lies being unclear. {{Quote|This was all a lie ...she just didn't like me moving away so she spread lies. And yes she did pass away in 2018.I love my son but he does have many mental issues and can be very violent at times ...he beat me and my mother before she died and had beaten her for 10 years straight...after she got custody of him...yes he should have stayed there. My mom let him get away with everything and gave him everything that's why he is the way he is... I wouldn't put up with his behavior |author=Elisabeth <ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Final_Comment.png</ref>}}What is important to know is that these claims about Nancy are most likely not true. Due to her disability, and Daniel (in Flexburgers words) "being an asshole", she was unequipped to care for him, especially given Travis's absence. Despite Nancy's [[Enablers|enabling]], It is most likely that Nancy called child protective services to get Daniel into a home where he could be properly cared for, which ended up being the [[Tennyson Center]].
===Daniel===
[[File:DanielandElisabeth.png|thumb|Danny boy, and his absolute smokeshow of a mother. Talk about getting the Genetic middle finger.|260x260px]]
''Main article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Daniel is Elisabeth's first and only biological child after the death of her twins and herself

Elisabeth's relationship with Daniel can be best described as shattered. Daniel has claimed that Elisabeth was abusive to him during his childhood, though the exact nature of this abuse is unknown, as one time he said that she and Travis beat him with belts for "15 years", and at another time, she never abused him at all. However, during Daniel's trial, the court referenced a report from 2011 where Daniel's mom shared that Daniel had a "non-accidental head injury around age 3 weeks, and a seizure around 5 months.", making abuse at her hands highly probable. A medicated also Daniel reported that when he was 8 years old, his mom hit him with a hammer. At numerous points, the psychiatrists pointed to these multiple head injuries as a cause for some of Daniel's developmental deficiencies.

However, in Facebook posts made in the early 2010's, Elisabeth would wax poetic about how much she loved Daniel. Even after Travis left her in 2010, Elisabeth still made an effort to try and get her back into her life, but eventually gave up on Daniel herself.

One of Elisabeth's nicknames for Daniel was, "Danny Boy", which he grew to detest and hate being called. Daniel also alleges that Elisabeth hated being called "mom" or "mother", and demanded that Daniel call her "mommy", otherwise she would get upset.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14kn6gg/surprising_revelations_about_daniels_mother/</ref> However, like many others things, it should be noted that Daniel is extremely delusional and his statements should not be taken at face value.

There are also extremely tenuous (and more importantly, '''unconfirmed''') claims of Elisabeth sexually assaulting Daniel when he was a young child, which may have kicked off his [[pedophilia]]. This claim comes from question Daniel asked on his [[Quora|Quora page]] "Has your mother ever given you a hand job as a kid?" as well as a testimony from a person ''claiming'' to be a caretaker of Daniel's who said he had a "history of child sexual abuse." However, this is probably unlikely, given Elisabeth becoming paralyzed, and [[11/6/17 Arrest|Daniel's history of beating his mother.]]

This would not serve her in the long run, as Daniel was claimed to have beaten his mom and his grandmother for "ten straight years", which painted ''him'' as the abuser. This got to a point where Daniel was even arrested, [[11/6/17 Arrest|having to serve 44-45 in prison for 3rd degree assault]] after he shoved his mother. In June of 2022, Elisabeth would leave comments on videos made by YouTuber [[Papa Gut]], detailing her experiance with Daniel while he was living with both her and his grandmother,

In the comments, Elisabeth would go into further detail on a number of topics relating to Daniel, including Daniel's various disabilities that were beyond autism (such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), his history of physical violence against both her and [[Nancy Shimer]], the interpersonal relationship between the three of them, and how Daniel even went to jail because of this physical violence.<ref>[[:File:ElisabethShimerPapaGut(1).png]]</ref>
{{Quote|I'm Danny's mom and yes we have moved here for the services. He doesn't just have autism he has severe bi polar and shizophrenic. He has beaten me and my mom... he has lied and has fantasies about so many things. He does not want to listen to authority...he is not famous but wants to beleive he is.he does what he wants and if you dont let him he gets violent..if you want more information contact me|Elisabeth, in Papa Guts comment section.<ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png</ref>|author=Elisabeth <ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png</ref>}}
Daniel still maintained contact with her throughout her later life. In some leaked text massages, she stated that despite everything that happened, her love for Daniel still remained, and pleaded for Daniel to finally get the help he needed. Sadly, Daniel did not reciprocate her love or pleas and started insulting her when calling out his delusions.

When Daniel was informed of her death in prison, he showed no interest.

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:DannyElisabeth.png|Elisabeth and Danny boy.
File:DannyElisabeth2.png|Notice their lack of eyebrows.
File:Elisabeth1.png|Now it's clear where Daniel gets it from.
File:Elisabeth2.png|Her real parents have got to be siblings.
File:Elisabeth3.png|Mrs. Larson not long before she died.
File:Elisabeth4.png|Look at that double chin.
</gallery>

== See Also ==

* [[Family]]
* [[Travis Larson]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

==References==
<references />
[[Category:Family]]

Travis Larson

2026-03-17T09:51:06Z

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{{Contact|He has effectively disowned Daniel and wants NOTHING to do with Daniel. Don't drag him into this!|subject=Travis Larson}}{{Needs Updating|Sources=[[Spiddlekick Interview]], [[Elisabeth Shimer]]}}
</center>{{Quote|That's on you. I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is. Sorry you can't take it. If your services will not let you get a job you don't get a job. Why is that so hard for you understand. Do as you are told. Follow the rules. Stop fighting against it.||author=Travis, in a text to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref>}}
{{Infobox|image=TravisAurora.png|imageDesc=Travis, and Daniels half-sister, Aurora|name=James Travis Larson|Alignment=Daniel Larson's father|DOB=September, 1978 (Age 45)|Nationality=American|Race=White|Gender=Male|Arcs=Before Era}}
'''James “Travis” Larson''' is the father of [[Daniel Larson]], [[Family|Joyetta Larson, Olivia Larson, and Aurora Larson]], ex-lover of [[Elisabeth Shimer]], ex-son-in-law of [[Nancy Shimer]], and the husband of [[Family|Paige Larson]].

Not much is known about Travis' involvement in Daniel's life, making him the most unpopular out of his parents. However, based on the interview with him, it can be assumed that the relationship between the two deteriorated long before he was an adult. This can also be said for his relationship with Daniel's mother, Elisabeth, as well.

Just like Elisabeth, there are also extremely tenuous claims of Travis abusing Daniel, with Daniel even claiming that Travis made him smoke cigars at a young age.<ref>[[November 6th Arrest]]</ref> Though, like many of Daniel's other claims, this should be taken with a grain of salt due to him being an unreliable narrator. Suffice to say, Travis officially distanced himself from Daniel and his mother long ago, wishing to be left alone.

After leaving his first family, Travis started up another with a woman named Paige, giving birth to Daniel's half-sister, [[Family|Aurora Larson]].

As of 2025, Travis has no contact with Daniel and advises anyone who comes across him to call the police and report him.

== Biography ==
{{PleaseSpreadTheMessage|Travis is not confirmed to have physically abused Daniel, or mistreated him during his childhood. Their relationship is noted to have deteriorated before Daniel was even a teenager, and he is noted as not wanting to deal with Daniel due to his violent behavior. }}

Travis Larson was born in September 1978 in Lancaster, California to parents James Ted Larson (April 22, 1930 – July 13, 2009) and Joan Beverly Lloyd (May 23, 1937 – April 30, 2013), who got married on September 28, 1963, in Nevada.<ref>https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/find/person/p46un0r808nlunl2u4uu</ref><ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GPSG-RJJ</ref> He currently still lives in Lancaster, where his son Daniel would be born. Just like [[Elisabeth Shimer|Elisabeth]], it is speculated that Travis suffers from some sort of mental and/or physical disability that passed onto Daniel. This has not been confirmed and is mostly speculative.

It is rumored that both his mom and Travis were extremely abusive to Daniel, which eventually led to Daniel being [[Tennyson Center|taken away by social services]]. Daniel, at one time, even claimed that his father made him smoke cigars as punishment, and even worse, beat him with belts for "15 years." These claims cannot be substantiated, and it should be noted that Travis left Daniel's life well before he was taken away by social services.[[File:TravisFamily.jpg|thumb|What a happy family. ]]
In 2010, Travis separated from Elisabeth. According to posts made on Elisabeth's Facebook account, it can be inferred that his reason for leaving Elisabeth had to do with him not being able to put up with Daniel's behavioral issues and seeing Daniel as a lost cause. Additionally, in a leaked text message to Daniel, Travis states, "I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is,"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref> which reaffirms claims of Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]], enabling his problematic behavior.

Due to this combination of Daniel's behavioral issues, and no longer being compatible with Elisabeth, Travis and her split sometime around the early parts of 2010, coinciding with Daniel eventually being rehoused into the [[Tennyson Center|Tennyson Center.]] It appears him and Elisabeth were never married, evidenced by a Facebook post Elisabeth made where she refers to him as a "boyfriend" opposed to a husband. Some years later, Travis married a woman named Paige Larson. Paige and Travis would go on to conceive Daniel's half-sister, [[Family#Aurora Larson|Aurora]].

In April 2023, Daniel was asked during a Q&A about his parents, including if they were drug users. Daniel claimed that Travis was a heavy cigarette smoker.<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1299v75/daniel_larson_addressing_his_relationship_with/</ref>

== Relationships ==
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth's Facebook post regarding Travis. ]]
=== Elisabeth ===
Main article: [[Elisabeth Shimer]]

It is not unreasonable to say that Elisabeth and Travis's relationship was, to say the least, not the best. In a Facebook post, Elisabeth describes Travis as, "a person whom is so obsessed in sex that he can't even care about other people's feelings,". While the validity of this is questionable, this is somewhat substantiated by how many children Travis and Elisabeth had. Even given Joyetta and Olivia's deaths, it still calls in question how much intercourse they were having to a point where Elisabeth was pregnant with twins.

In the wake of Daniel's behavioral and mental health issues (and him being relocated to the Tennyson Center), Travis decided to cut his losses and leave the mother of his child, telling Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as in her words, he would "[[Second Jail Arc|never get better]]".

Given that both Elisabeth and Travis have remarried, it can be inferred that they've since moved on from each other.

=== Daniel ===
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Daniel and his father's relationship is strained, to say the least. Realizing (correctly) that Daniel will never get better, he left both him and Elisabeth and has since disowned Daniel. He remarried and has at least one daughter from his marriage.

In an interview conducted by LarsonLeak, his father says that he is aware of the allegations of [[pedophilia]] against him. Additionally, he states that Daniel has gotten in physical altercations with less than 10 care providers and people close to him. In a text sent to Daniel, Travis notes that he will not lie and enable Daniel's behavior like his grandmother had done in the past. Unlike Elisabeth, he insists on reporting Daniel to the police if people were to ever come in contact with him.

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

It can be assumed that Travis and Nancy have a less than positive relationship. In the [[Spiddlekick Interview]], Daniel notes that Travis called his grandmother, "a bitch", due to her gaining custody of Daniel after he was removed from his mother's care. Though, outside of this, not much else is known.

==Interview==
In November 2022, [[larsonleak|LarsonLeak]], a YouTube channel dedicated to leaking information about Daniel, uploaded a video where he briefly interviews Travis, though he gets angry and hangs up on him, which is understandable.{{#evt:
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===Transcript===

Q: ''Hey, is this Travis?''

A: "Who the hell is this?" ''(in an angry / confused tone)''

'''''(Things got a little heated... so we caught him on another day.)'''''

Q: Do you know who Daniel Larson is?

A: "I'm not gonna reveal any information at this point."

Q: Are you aware of his [[Social Media Accounts|social media presence]]?

A: "Yes."

Q: Is he big? Like [[Delusions#Fame|celebrity level]]?

A: "In the thousands of followers."

Q: Do you know about him using the [[The N Word|N-Word]] online?

A: "Nothing racial, before this."

Q: What's exactly wrong with him?

A: "He has several [[Daniel Larson's health|mental disabilities]]."

Q: Which ones?

A: "I'm not gonna give any further information."

Q: You are aware of the rumors of him being a [[Pedophilia|pedo]], right?

A: "Correct".

Q: What do you have to say about them? Especially with all the evidence online?

A: "My advice is literally [[Daniel's Criminal History|call the cops and report him]]."

Q: There are videos of him [[Meltdowns|breaking things, etc.]] Has he gotten in any physical fights with caretakers or family members? If so... how many?

A: "Less than ten."

'''''(We asked him about how his life was in California. For some reason he didn't like that [[Glossary#K|creshtin]].)'''''

Travis ''(angry)'': "...cause I'm in fucking [[California]], you got the wrong number!"

Travis: "Bye."

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:TravisLarsonProm.png|Travis and his new wife. Isn't she a beauty?
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</gallery>

==See Also==

* [[Elisabeth Shimer]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Family]]

Travis Larson

2026-03-17T09:48:47Z

Sorades: /* Biography */ Lisa was already confirmed to have abused Daniel by the Larsonleaks. Travis however remains unconfirmed.

<center>{{Doxxing}}{{Contact|He wants NOTHING to do with Daniel and contacting him will not produce any useful information.|subject=Travis Larson}}{{Needs Updating|Sources=[[Spiddlekick Interview]], [[Elisabeth Shimer]]}}
</center>{{Quote|That's on you. I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is. Sorry you can't take it. If your services will not let you get a job you don't get a job. Why is that so hard for you understand. Do as you are told. Follow the rules. Stop fighting against it.||author=Travis, in a text to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref>}}
{{Infobox|image=TravisAurora.png|imageDesc=Travis, and Daniels half-sister, Aurora|name=James Travis Larson|Alignment=Daniel Larson's father|DOB=September, 1978 (Age 45)|Nationality=American|Race=White|Gender=Male|Arcs=Before Era}}
'''James “Travis” Larson''' is the father of [[Daniel Larson]], [[Family|Joyetta Larson, Olivia Larson, and Aurora Larson]], ex-lover of [[Elisabeth Shimer]], ex-son-in-law of [[Nancy Shimer]], and the husband of [[Family|Paige Larson]].

Not much is known about Travis' involvement in Daniel's life, making him the most unpopular out of his parents. However, based on the interview with him, it can be assumed that the relationship between the two deteriorated long before he was an adult. This can also be said for his relationship with Daniel's mother, Elisabeth, as well.

Just like Elisabeth, there are also extremely tenuous claims of Travis abusing Daniel, with Daniel even claiming that Travis made him smoke cigars at a young age.<ref>[[November 6th Arrest]]</ref> Though, like many of Daniel's other claims, this should be taken with a grain of salt due to him being an unreliable narrator. Suffice to say, Travis officially distanced himself from Daniel and his mother long ago, wishing to be left alone.

After leaving his first family, Travis started up another with a woman named Paige, giving birth to Daniel's half-sister, [[Family|Aurora Larson]].

As of 2025, Travis has no contact with Daniel and advises anyone who comes across him to call the police and report him.

== Biography ==
{{PleaseSpreadTheMessage|Travis is not confirmed to have physically abused Daniel, or mistreated him during his childhood. Their relationship is noted to have deteriorated before Daniel was even a teenager, and he is noted as not wanting to deal with Daniel due to his violent behavior. }}

Travis Larson was born in September 1978 in Lancaster, California to parents James Ted Larson (April 22, 1930 – July 13, 2009) and Joan Beverly Lloyd (May 23, 1937 – April 30, 2013), who got married on September 28, 1963, in Nevada.<ref>https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/find/person/p46un0r808nlunl2u4uu</ref><ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GPSG-RJJ</ref> He currently still lives in Lancaster, where his son Daniel would be born. Just like [[Elisabeth Shimer|Elisabeth]], it is speculated that Travis suffers from some sort of mental and/or physical disability that passed onto Daniel. This has not been confirmed and is mostly speculative.

It is rumored that both his mom and Travis were extremely abusive to Daniel, which eventually led to Daniel being [[Tennyson Center|taken away by social services]]. Daniel, at one time, even claimed that his father made him smoke cigars as punishment, and even worse, beat him with belts for "15 years." These claims cannot be substantiated, and it should be noted that Travis left Daniel's life well before he was taken away by social services.[[File:TravisFamily.jpg|thumb|What a happy family. ]]
In 2010, Travis separated from Elisabeth. According to posts made on Elisabeth's Facebook account, it can be inferred that his reason for leaving Elisabeth had to do with him not being able to put up with Daniel's behavioral issues and seeing Daniel as a lost cause. Additionally, in a leaked text message to Daniel, Travis states, "I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is,"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref> which reaffirms claims of Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]], enabling his problematic behavior.

Due to this combination of Daniel's behavioral issues, and no longer being compatible with Elisabeth, Travis and her split sometime around the early parts of 2010, coinciding with Daniel eventually being rehoused into the [[Tennyson Center|Tennyson Center.]] It appears him and Elisabeth were never married, evidenced by a Facebook post Elisabeth made where she refers to him as a "boyfriend" opposed to a husband. Some years later, Travis married a woman named Paige Larson. Paige and Travis would go on to conceive Daniel's half-sister, [[Family#Aurora Larson|Aurora]].

In April 2023, Daniel was asked during a Q&A about his parents, including if they were drug users. Daniel claimed that Travis was a heavy cigarette smoker.<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1299v75/daniel_larson_addressing_his_relationship_with/</ref>

== Relationships ==
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth's Facebook post regarding Travis. ]]
=== Elisabeth ===
Main article: [[Elisabeth Shimer]]

It is not unreasonable to say that Elisabeth and Travis's relationship was, to say the least, not the best. In a Facebook post, Elisabeth describes Travis as, "a person whom is so obsessed in sex that he can't even care about other people's feelings,". While the validity of this is questionable, this is somewhat substantiated by how many children Travis and Elisabeth had. Even given Joyetta and Olivia's deaths, it still calls in question how much intercourse they were having to a point where Elisabeth was pregnant with twins.

In the wake of Daniel's behavioral and mental health issues (and him being relocated to the Tennyson Center), Travis decided to cut his losses and leave the mother of his child, telling Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as in her words, he would "[[Second Jail Arc|never get better]]".

Given that both Elisabeth and Travis have remarried, it can be inferred that they've since moved on from each other.

=== Daniel ===
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Daniel and his father's relationship is strained, to say the least. Realizing (correctly) that Daniel will never get better, he left both him and Elisabeth and has since disowned Daniel. He remarried and has at least one daughter from his marriage.

In an interview conducted by LarsonLeak, his father says that he is aware of the allegations of [[pedophilia]] against him. Additionally, he states that Daniel has gotten in physical altercations with less than 10 care providers and people close to him. In a text sent to Daniel, Travis notes that he will not lie and enable Daniel's behavior like his grandmother had done in the past. Unlike Elisabeth, he insists on reporting Daniel to the police if people were to ever come in contact with him.

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

It can be assumed that Travis and Nancy have a less than positive relationship. In the [[Spiddlekick Interview]], Daniel notes that Travis called his grandmother, "a bitch", due to her gaining custody of Daniel after he was removed from his mother's care. Though, outside of this, not much else is known.

==Interview==
In November 2022, [[larsonleak|LarsonLeak]], a YouTube channel dedicated to leaking information about Daniel, uploaded a video where he briefly interviews Travis, though he gets angry and hangs up on him, which is understandable.{{#evt:
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===Transcript===

Q: ''Hey, is this Travis?''

A: "Who the hell is this?" ''(in an angry / confused tone)''

'''''(Things got a little heated... so we caught him on another day.)'''''

Q: Do you know who Daniel Larson is?

A: "I'm not gonna reveal any information at this point."

Q: Are you aware of his [[Social Media Accounts|social media presence]]?

A: "Yes."

Q: Is he big? Like [[Delusions#Fame|celebrity level]]?

A: "In the thousands of followers."

Q: Do you know about him using the [[The N Word|N-Word]] online?

A: "Nothing racial, before this."

Q: What's exactly wrong with him?

A: "He has several [[Daniel Larson's health|mental disabilities]]."

Q: Which ones?

A: "I'm not gonna give any further information."

Q: You are aware of the rumors of him being a [[Pedophilia|pedo]], right?

A: "Correct".

Q: What do you have to say about them? Especially with all the evidence online?

A: "My advice is literally [[Daniel's Criminal History|call the cops and report him]]."

Q: There are videos of him [[Meltdowns|breaking things, etc.]] Has he gotten in any physical fights with caretakers or family members? If so... how many?

A: "Less than ten."

'''''(We asked him about how his life was in California. For some reason he didn't like that [[Glossary#K|creshtin]].)'''''

Travis ''(angry)'': "...cause I'm in fucking [[California]], you got the wrong number!"

Travis: "Bye."

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:TravisLarsonProm.png|Travis and his new wife. Isn't she a beauty?
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</gallery>

==See Also==

* [[Elisabeth Shimer]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Family]]

Family

2026-03-17T09:46:31Z

Sorades: /* Elisabeth Shimer */ Added and edited some infos regarding Lisa based on the recent larsonleaks.

{{Doxxing}}
{{Contact|They want NOTHING to do with him, and contacting them will not produce any useful information.|subject=any of Daniel's family members}}
[[Daniel Larson]] has many family members. None of his relatives are on speaking terms with Daniel and are leading generally normal lives without him, if not already dead.

Not much is known, even about his immediate family. The little information Daniel has revealed about his family cannot be taken at face value, however, this article will attempt to identify as many as possible.
== Parents ==

=== Elisabeth Shimer ===
[[File:DanielandElisabeth.png|thumb|Elisabeth and Daniel.|258x258px]]
''Main article: [[Elisabeth Shimer]]''

[[Elisabeth Shimer|'''Elisabeth Shimer''']] (Born November 4, 1976 - October 2024) was the mother of Daniel, Joyetta, and Olivia Larson. Growing up, Daniel claimed to have suffered abuse and neglect at the hands of his mother, which eventually got him taken away by the state of Colorado. These claims were later substantiated by documents during Daniel's Trial from 2011, where Elisabeth stated that Daniel suffered "Non-accidental head injuries" at 3 weeks. However, Daniel too has been the perpetrator of abuse himself at one point, when [[11/6/17 Arrest|was arrested for striking his mother]] who at that point was wheelchair-bound.

Elisabeth was eventually diagnosed with lupus, which ended up putting her in a wheelchair. Due to her disability, and Travis no longer being there to support her, Elisabeth had a harder and harder time taking care of Daniel. This neglect eventually led up to the State of Colorado removing Daniel from Elisabeth's care, putting him in the [[Tennyson Center]].

Despite Daniel's claims of abuse, Elisabeth has come forward about the multiple times Daniel would physically abuse both her and his grandmother. During one of these instances, it resulted in Daniel having to enter police custody following a call to the authorities after an attack on his mother. Just like all of his other relatives, Elisabeth, despite saying that she loved him in a comment on Papa Guts channel, wanted no contact with him given his actions.

Elisabeth passed away in October 2024 aged 47 due to an unspecified terminal illness.
=== Travis Larson ===
[[File:TravisLarson1.png|thumb|300x300px|Lookin' spiffy, Travis!]]''Main article: [[Travis Larson]]''

[[Travis Larson|'''Travis Larson''']] (Born September 1978) is the father of Daniel Larson and Aurora Larson. Not much is known about him, except for the fact that he was not present for a majority of Daniel's life. It is likely he was not the greatest father to Daniel, as he dubbed him a "lost cause" before eventually splitting with Elisabeth. According to an Interview conducted by LarsonLeak, he is aware of Daniel's TikTok popularity, [[pedophilia]], and his homelessness. Having a new family, Travis desires absolutely no contact with Daniel.
== Siblings ==

=== Joyetta and Olivia Larson ===
[[File:JoyettaOlivia.png|thumb|185x185px|Joyetta and Olivia, just before their death|left]]
'''Joyetta and Olivia Larson''' (Born March 27, 2001 – March 27, 2001) were the two, and only, biological siblings of Daniel Larson. They were conceived by both Travis and Elisabeth. Joyetta and Olivia were twin sisters, and would tragically die the following day after their birth due to RH incompatibility.

Elisabeth seems to hold more love for them than Daniel, as she made a video singing a cover of the song “Angels” for them”,<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/12j9rom/this_video_was_sad_as_shit_like_she_lost_her/</ref> and given the fact she would constantly post about them on her Facebook account.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid02f5rM4VQdpCduLhhZDd9EtA55CPwwowtFnNEZPBCjNXyx5ySBk9Wy7vQBZiwdgHGPl</ref>
{{Quote|I wish Heaven had a phone so I could hear your voice again. I thought of you today, but that is nothing new, I thought about you yesterday, and days before that too. I think of you in silence, I often speak your name. All I have are memories and a picture in a frame. Your memory is a keepsake, from which I'll never part. God has you in his arms, I have you in my heart. Repost if you have someone in Heaven.}}
[[File:AuroraLarsonMugshot.png|thumb|178x178px|Aurora's mugshot, date unknown.]]
=== Aurora Larson ===
[[File:QuartzHillQueen.jpg|left|thumb|273x273px|Ain't she a beauty?]]
'''Aurora Larson''' (Born {{circa}} 2003-2004) is Daniel's paternal half-sister. Little is known about her or her relationship to Daniel, and it is most likely that she is the child of Travis and his new wife/partner. It can be assumed that she too has no contact to Daniel at all. It is also called in question if she even knows about him at all.

According to a news article posted by Antelope Valley Press, she attended Antelope Valley College, pursuing a degree in art.<ref>https://www.avpress.com/valley_life/quartz-hill-community-queens-crowned/collection_45ad9d98-2f1d-11ed-9caf-2b440038e814.html</ref> The one other thing that is known about Aurora, at least according to [[Larsonleak|LarsonLeak]], is that Aurora had been allegedly arrested for elder abuse, [[December 10th Incident|not much unlike her half-brother]].

== Grandparents ==

=== Nancy Shimer ===
''Main article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''
[[File:Nancy shimer3.png|thumb|Nancy, as pictured in the Tennyson Center video.|272x272px]]
[[Nancy Shimer|'''Nancy Shimer''']] (Born April 2, 1947 – July 24, 2019) was the grandmother of Daniel, and adoptive mother of Elisabeth Shimer, making Daniel’s biological grandparents unknown.

During his childhood, Daniel was the happiest living with his grandmother, as she genuinely loved and cared for Daniel, especially after being placed in the [[Tennyson Center]] after being allegedly neglected by his mother. This was also in part due to Nancy enabling Daniel's negative behaviors. In his childhood, an event occurred where a then 3-year-old Daniel painted on Nancy's walls, and instead of facing repercussions, Nancy rewarded him with candy.

However, much like Elisabeth, Daniel was said to have hit his grandmother on multiple occasions. Even when Nancy was diagnosed with cancer, Daniel continued to beat her. When she eventually died, Daniel opted to go to the Special Olympics instead of watching her on her deathbed. Daniel never attended his grandmother's funeral.

=== Daniel William Shimer ===
{{Quote||quote=Goodbye, Dan. You were a good and loving father who encouraged achievement in your children and generously supported their education. You can be proud of their character and of the contributions they are making to our world.|author=Nancy, on his obituary.}}[[File:DanielShimerPhoto.png|thumb|Photo of Daniel, on his obituary. ]]
'''Daniel William Shimer''' (Born September 16, 1943 – September 24, 2015)<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/261378181/daniel_william_shimer</ref> was the ex-husband of Nancy Shimer, (adopted) grandfather of Daniel Larson, and father of Elisabeth, Sarah, and Rachel Shimer. He was born in [[wikipedia:Merced,_California|Merced, California]], and was raised on a dairy farm near [[wikipedia:Chowchilla,_California|Chowchilla, California.]] He attended the University of Berkeley and received BSEE and MSEE degrees. He worked for the next 49 years as an electrical engineer.

He and Nancy married on November 28, 1970. Not much is known about their relationship beyond them giving birth to two biological children, Sarah and Rachel Shimer, and their eventual adoption of Elisabeth Shimer, Daniel Larson's mother. It can be assumed that him and Nancy's marriage was less than optimal, as the couple divorced on September 1, 2005.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K1QG-71Z?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=GVDZ-KV9</ref> There is also a record of them divorcing on January 30, 1984. It is unclear if they remarried or if this is simply an error.

Daniel died on September 24, 2015, due to lung cancer. According to his obituary, he smoked heavily for many years, which may have contributed to his eventual death. There was no service for his death per his own request, and his body was cremated. Despite being divorced for a decade by that point, Nancy would comment her condolences on his online obituary on October 3 2015.

Considering how both Daniel's grandfather and him have the same name, is it likely that Elisabeth made the decision to name her son after him.<gallery caption="Gallery">
File:DanielShimer2.png|Daniel, pictured on the left.
File:DanielShimer3.png|Daniel, holding a cat.
</gallery>

== Other relatives ==
[[File:TravisFamily.jpg|thumb|Travis’s family, post-Elisabeth]]

=== Other relatives (Larson Side) ===
After Travis and Elisabeth split up, Travis went on to start a family with a woman named Paige Larson. While the existence of Daniel’s paternal half-sister and Travis' new wife is known, it is unknown who the rest of the family are, Travis’s relationship with them, or if Daniel even knows any of them.

=== Paige Larson ===
[[File:TravisWife2.png|left|thumb|234x234px|Isn't she a beauty?]]
'''Paige Larson''' is Travis' current wife and Daniel's step-mother. Travis is noted to have begun a relationship with her some years after leaving Daniel's mother. Nothing more is known about her besides several pictures of her that have surfaced, and the knowledge of her and Travis conceiving Daniel’s half sister, Aurora Larson.

<gallery caption="Gallery">
File:TravisWife1.png
File:TravisWife3.png
File:TravisWife4.png
File:TravisLarsonProm.png
</gallery>[[File:ElisabethNewHusband.png|left|thumb|201x201px|Elisabeth and James.]]
=== James Avey ===
'''James Avey''' is the husband of Elisabeth Shimer, and step-father of Daniel. He and Elisabeth married on January 1, 2011, a measly year after Elisabeth and Travis split up. He is also the founder of Avey incubator Inc, a company that incubates small animals such as puppies. According to photos found from his childhood, James attended Daniel's 13th birthday party, which indicates that they had some sort of relationship. Not much else is known. [[File:RachelShimerPic.png|thumb|228x228px|Rachel Shimer-Lal. ]]
=== Sarah and Rachel Shimer ===
'''Sarah Anne Shimer''' and '''Rachel Jane Shimer-Lal''' are the biological children of Daniel William Shimer and Nancy Shimer, and sisters of Elisabeth Shimer, making them Daniel's aunts.

Rachel is known to work as a pediatric occupational therapist in Danville, California, and is also employed at the New York Ensurance Company.<ref>https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-shimer-lal-36ab12254</ref> She attended Samuel Merrit University, and eventually got married, giving birth to Daniel's cousins, Anna and Leila Shimer-Lal.

Sarah's existence is shrouded in mystery. Their relationships with Elisabeth are also unknown.

=== Carol McGuire ===
[[File:CarolKiswineyPic.png|left|thumb|264x264px|A picture of Carol on her wedding day. ]]
'''Carol Ann McGuire''' (Née Kiswiney) is the older sister of Nancy Shimer, making her Daniel's great-aunt. In 1966, Carol married to a man named William Hamilton McGuire. Nancy acted as her bridesmaid, and her brother, David Kiswiney, acted as her husband's best man.<ref>https://www.newspapers.com/article/janesville-daily-gazette-marriage-of-kis/150752427/</ref>

Following Nancy's death, she left a comment on her sister's obituary.<ref name=":0">https://www.mountainviewcemetery.org/obituaries/NANCY-SHIMER?obId=6501996</ref>
{{Quote|The beautiful spirit of my dear sister will live on in her wonderful daughters and her dear grandchildren. She loved them all very, very much, as we all loved her.}}
=== David Kiswiney ===
[[File:DavidKiswineyPic.png|thumb|Photo of David, date unknown. |188x188px]]'''David Kiswiney''' is the older brother of Nancy Shimer, making him Daniel's great-uncle. He conceived his son, Noah Kiswiney, in 1990 with his spouse, Desiree Schwalbe.

When Nancy died, he left a comment on her obituary.<ref name=":0" /> It is worth noting that David never mentions Elisabeth, despite mentioning Nancy's biological children.
{{Quote|Dear Sarah and Rachael. Nancy will always bein my heart as she will be in yours. Nancy always held fast to her beliefs of honesty and integrity. Those qualities have been inherited by you and by your children. I miss you all. With Love, David}}
=== Noah Kiswiney ===
[[File:NoahKiswiney.png|left|thumb|219x219px|A photo of Noah. ]]
'''Noah Zane Kiswiney'''<ref>https://www.williamsonmemorial.com/obituaries/noah-kiswiney</ref> (Born November 20, 1990 — July 5, 2022) was the child of David Kiswiney, Nancy's Shimer's older brother, and Desiree Schwalbe. This makes him Daniel's second cousin. According to his obituary, Noah was a very generous person. He was noted to have gathered a group of his friends to eat lunch with his middle school custodian so he would not eat alone, and helping a woman who had fallen.

Noah passed away on Tuesday, July 5, 2022. His cause of death was voluntary. He volunteered as an organ donor, to which he passed away soon after.

=== Other Cousins ===
Daniel's aunt, Rachel Shimer, is known to have given birth to his younger cousins, '''Anna''' and '''Leila Shimer-Lal'''. Nothing more is known about them.

== References ==

Elisabeth Shimer

2026-03-05T14:36:14Z

Sorades:

{{Videos Need Archiving}}{{Needs Updating|Sources=[[Spiddlekick Interview]], [[Rooftop Interview]]}}
{{Quote|I am a [[Music Career|singer, song writer]]. I am a Christan and Believe that God put me here for a Good reason. I show my love for him through my music..|author=Elisabeth's Facebook bio.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/p/Elisabeth-Shimer-100061085711239/</ref>}}
{{Quote|My son is my heart....I would sacrifice everything for him that is in my life..........I LOVE YOU MY BIG BOY...................||author=Elisabeth, about a young [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]]. That did not age well.}}
{{Infobox|image=ElisabethShimer.jpeg|imageDesc=Notice her distinct lack of eyebrows.|name=Elisabeth Shimer|Knownas=Lisa|Alignment=Daniel Larson’s mother|DOB=November 4, 1976 - October 2024 (aged 47)|Nationality=American|Race=White|Parents= [[Nancy Shimer]] (1947–2019) [[Family#Daniel William Shimer|Daniel William Shimer]] (1943–2015)|Arcs=[[Before Era]]}}
'''Elisabeth Lee Avey''' (née '''Shimer''', pronounced: [shy-mer]; November 4, 1976 – October 2024), name commonly mispelled as '''Elizabeth''', was the ex-lover of [[Travis Larson]], adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] and [[Family#Daniel William Shimer|Daniel William Shimer]], and most notably, the mother of [[Daniel Larson]] and his late siblings, [[Family#Joyetta and Olivia Larson|Joyetta and Olivia Larson.]]

Daniel's father has remained a rather unpopular figure in the Daniel Larson community, but the same cannot be said for Elisabeth. She has remained consistently disliked, even by Daniel. Elisabeth had been accused of being highly neglectful and abusive towards her son, which is questionable, although somewhat substantiated due to the fact that Daniel was relocated to the [[Tennyson Center]] during his childhood. Despite this fact, Elisabeth had also accused her own son of abuse towards her, which is substantiated as Elisabeth was documented to have been [[November 6th Arrest|assaulted by Daniel]] when he was 18 years old. Despite these mutual accusations of abuse, Elisabeth’s behaviors seem to have rubbed off onto Daniel during his childhood, as [[Discography|much like her son]], she too had an interest in music.

Nonetheless, after [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]]'s death, Elisabeth wished to keep absolutely no contact with Daniel, presumably having put a restraining order on him along with [[Travis Larson|Travis]]. This is most likely due to the physical assault she had endured, although the claim of this restraining order on him has yet to be confirmed.

Sometime in October 2024, Elisabeth passed away from undisclosed causes.
==Biography==
Elisabeth Lee Shimer was born on November 4, 1976, in California. She is the adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] and [[Family|Daniel William Shimer]]. Nancy was said to have adopted her through connections from her job as a social worker, as her job required relocating infants to care homes, with Elisabeth being one of these infants.<ref>[[Spiddlekick Interview]]</ref> Due to this, information on her biological family is unknown. While unconfirmed, Elisabeth herself most likely suffers from the same mental disabilities Daniel has, or is at least somewhat mentally challenged. These claims come from her appearance, which is generally not seen in able-bodied individuals, and disabilities such as autism having very high heritability rates. However, until further information comes out, it will remain unknown exactly what she suffers from.

Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy prior to her divorce with Daniel Shimer, her adoptive father. It is unknown what real to relationship she had with him or her adoptive sisters.

In 1990, Elisabeth enrolled in YPIA (Young Peoples Institute of Arts and Academics), where she graduated from in 1993.<ref name=":0">https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> From 1995 to 2004, Elisabeth enrolled in Antelope Valley College, graduating in Music and Performing Arts.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> Not long after enrolling in AVC, Elisabeth would meet [[Travis Larson]], who, not long after, would help conceive Daniel with, to which she would give birth on November 15th, 1998.[[File:Daniel's Mother Greiving.png|thumb|500x500px|Daniel's mother grieving the deaths of Joyetta and Olivia.]]
Later on, Elisabeth would conceive children with Travis once more. She gave birth to Daniel's only siblings, [[Family|Joyetta and Olivia Larson]] on March 27, 2001. The twins passed away the following day due to RH incompatibility.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0MnyaEcaQ2RWSmKDwvt26jKSZw7xEZRMYiBkFQAV3EENY8vvYHxxfFuLFWcn8FYual</ref>

Elisabeth would move to [[Colorado Springs|Colorado]] in 2009, when Daniel was 11.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F100000130337751%2Fposts%2F348916081789400%2F</ref> According to YouTube comments, her reasoning for moving to Colorado was due to the greater mental and physical health support, which both her and Daniel would need. By this time, Elisabeth was in a wheelchair due her years-long battle with lupus, compounded by several rounds of chemotherapy and immunosuppressants.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid02s8UAJC62RxL7SuCvYSnEcRNePmbR4QnBgTEBvWk7MmQxpxPMXaN4sQ3f1hrpRsA8l</ref> Since Elisabeth was roughly 20 years old, she had been diagnosed with an aggressive form of lupus, an incurable genetic autoimmune disease found predominantly in women, which caused her multiple health related issues.<ref>[https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain. https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain.]</ref>

But not long after, she would have no custody over him, as [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]] would be taken away by the state of Colorado and begin living in foster care, and eventually the [[Tennyson Center]]. While the reason stated for Daniel being taken away was due to neglect, it is unconfirmed as to what Elisabeth (or Travis) did to him.[[File:Elisabeth's Tweets.png|thumb|328x328px|Elisabeth, tweeting about her "music career"]]Daniel has stated that his mother “couldn’t take care of him anymore,”{{Citation Needed}} and given the fact that at this time Elisabeth was disabled and in a wheelchair, it is very likely that her disability impacted her ability and to care for him, resulting in neglect. Even so, it is hard to tell what is true about Elisabeth and what is not, due to Daniel constantly going back and forth on whether he was abused or not. This seems likely, though, as in 2010, Travis and Elisabeth had parted ways. According to one of Elisabeths facbeook posts, this occured after Travis told Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as he would "never get better". With this absence, it most likely added an extra factor of difficulty to parenting Daniel.
With her new husband, James Avey, who she'd get engaged to on January 1st, 2011, she would co-own their business, [[Avey Incubator Inc]] in 2010, which sold animal incubators.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484311132578%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref>
[[File:ElisabethNewHusband.png|left|thumb|284x284px|Elisabeth, and James Avey. ]]
Something that is interesting to note about Elisabeth is her affinity for singing, which most likely influenced Daniel to pursue a career in singing. On her YouTube account, she would upload several videos of her singing, the most infamous being tributes to various people, namely Daniel. One of these videos was directed towards Daniel, where [https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Wd4lJI8KWas she sang "I Won't Give Up", which was posted on the 28th of September, 2014.]

On Elisabeth's Twitter account, she would frequently post about going to a music studio to work on her original songs, although these claims of having a music "career" and having "fans" are obviously untrue.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/12isgoq/now_we_see_where_he_gets_his_musical_career_and/</ref>

Sometime after Daniel was adopted by Nancy, Elisabeth was soon given access to see him once more, though the exact date is unknown. She had also made a tribute video to Joyetta and Olivia, wherein she sang "Angels", sharing various pictures of them after birth. Elisabeth shows an intense love for both of these children, although by the time the video had been posted, it had been well over a decade after their births, presumably showing more love for them than Daniel.

Sometime in 2015, Elisabeth went into partial assisted living, where her health would deteriorate further, evidenced by her posting on Facebook about herself being in and out of the hospital on a daily basis.[See discussion page, '''do not cite''']

On February 8th, 2016, Elisabeth posted on Facebook that she is paralyzed from the breastbone down, causing her to be in a wheelchair permanently.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0JtMbBhGNdBew78Qi6SyKKBNiPPMESAGtkUhjbrYViPSBdQue765qeJWpVZFK8C5Bl</ref> This should be remembered, as her being in a wheelchair would not prove to be positive within the coming years.

[[File:ElisabethDeath.png|thumb|277x277px|Facebook posts from Donna]]

=== Death ===
Elisabeth died in October 2024 at the age of 47 due to unknown circumstances. The circumstances of her death are widely debated, with many attempting to contest that Daniel's mother had truly passed.

Elisabeth's death was initially made known by Daniel's biological aunt, Donna Mcelroy. It is widely believed that Donna is Elisabeth's sister from her biological family. This relationship is reinforced by past posts made by Donna which Elisabeth commented on. In a Facebook post made in August 2024, Donna made it known that she had not heard from Elisabeth in nearly two years, before posting in October of same year, announcing Elisabeths death and asking for further information regarding it.

As of 2025, it is still unknown what caused Elisabeths death. Additionally, the status of her husband is also unknown.

== Custody Battle for Daniel ==
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==Relationships==
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth disavowing Travis. You go, girl!|280x280px]]
===Travis===
''Main article: [[Travis Larson]]''

Like many other aspects about them, not much about their relationship with each other is known. But, according to Facebook posts, their relationship deteriorated around [[Timeline (2010s)|2010]], coming to a screeching halt after Travis called Daniel a lost cause, insisting he would never get better. The fact that [[Daniel Larson Wiki|this very wiki]] exists has (unfortunately) proven him correct.
[[File:Elisabeth Venting.png|left|thumb|211x211px|Elisabeth venting on Facebook.]]
After this, Elisabeth insisted that she did not need a man in her life, claiming Travis to be "..obsessed with sex" and not caring for others feelings. These posts kicked off a constant theme of not needing a man in her life. However, this did not last very long, following her engagement on January 1st, 2011.

After their breakup, Travis left her for another woman not long after Daniel was taken away. Following their breakup, Travis had at least one daughter with his new wife Paige, named Aurora Larson.

===Nancy===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''
[[File:ElisabethNancy.png|thumb|250x250px|Got anymore pixels?]]
Elisabeth's relationship with her adopted mother is most unknown. What is known is that through connections as a social worker, Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy. Though, it is not known at what time or year she was adopted. In June 2022, in comments made under a video uploaded by [[Papa Gut]], she elaborated on her relationship with her Nancy, where she claimed that Nancy had not liked her moving away to Colorado in 2009, resulting in Nancy "spreading lies", said lies being unclear. {{Quote|This was all a lie ...she just didn't like me moving away so she spread lies. And yes she did pass away in 2018.I love my son but he does have many mental issues and can be very violent at times ...he beat me and my mother before she died and had beaten her for 10 years straight...after she got custody of him...yes he should have stayed there. My mom let him get away with everything and gave him everything that's why he is the way he is... I wouldn't put up with his behavior |author=Elisabeth <ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Final_Comment.png</ref>}}What is important to know is that these claims about Nancy are most likely not true. Due to her disability, and Daniel (in Flexburgers words) "being an asshole", she was unequipped to care for him, especially given Travis's absence. Despite Nancy's [[Enablers|enabling]], It is most likely that Nancy called child protective services to get Daniel into a home where he could be properly cared for, which ended up being the [[Tennyson Center]].
===Daniel===
[[File:DanielandElisabeth.png|thumb|Danny boy, and his absolute smokeshow of a mother. Talk about getting the Genetic middle finger.|260x260px]]
''Main article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Daniel is Elisabeth's first and only biological child after the death of her twins.

Elisabeth's relationship with Daniel can be best described as shattered. Daniel has claimed that Elisabeth was abusive to him during his childhood, though the exact nature of this abuse is unknown, as one time he said that she and Travis beat him with belts for "15 years", and at another time, she never abused him at all. However, during Daniel's trial, the court referenced a report from 2011 where Daniel's mom shared that Daniel had a "non-accidental head injury around age 3 weeks, and a seizure around 5 months.", making abuse at her hands highly probable. A medicated also Daniel reported that when he was 8 years old, his mom hit him with a hammer. At numerous points, the psychiatrists pointed to these multiple head injuries as a cause for some of Daniel's developmental deficiencies.

However, in Facebook posts made in the early 2010's, Elisabeth would wax poetic about how much she loved Daniel. Even after Travis left her in 2010, Elisabeth still made an effort to try and get her back into her life, but eventually gave up on Daniel herself.

One of Elisabeth's nicknames for Daniel was, "Danny Boy", which he grew to detest and hate being called. Daniel also alleges that Elisabeth hated being called "mom" or "mother", and demanded that Daniel call her "mommy", otherwise she would get upset.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14kn6gg/surprising_revelations_about_daniels_mother/</ref> However, like many others things, it should be noted that Daniel is extremely delusional and his statements should not be taken at face value.

There are also extremely tenuous (and more importantly, '''unconfirmed''') claims of Elisabeth sexually assaulting Daniel when he was a young child, which may have kicked off his [[pedophilia]]. This claim comes from question Daniel asked on his [[Quora|Quora page]] "Has your mother ever given you a hand job as a kid?" as well as a testimony from a person ''claiming'' to be a caretaker of Daniel's who said he had a "history of child sexual abuse." However, this is probably unlikely, given Elisabeth becoming paralyzed, and [[11/6/17 Arrest|Daniel's history of beating his mother.]]

This would not serve her in the long run, as Daniel was claimed to have beaten his mom and his grandmother for "ten straight years", which painted ''him'' as the abuser. This got to a point where Daniel was even arrested, [[11/6/17 Arrest|having to serve 44-45 in prison for 3rd degree assault]] after he shoved his mother. In June of 2022, Elisabeth would leave comments on videos made by YouTuber [[Papa Gut]], detailing her experiance with Daniel while he was living with both her and his grandmother,

In the comments, Elisabeth would go into further detail on a number of topics relating to Daniel, including Daniel's various disabilities that were beyond autism (such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), his history of physical violence against both her and [[Nancy Shimer]], the interpersonal relationship between the three of them, and how Daniel even went to jail because of this physical violence.<ref>[[:File:ElisabethShimerPapaGut(1).png]]</ref>
{{Quote|I'm Danny's mom and yes we have moved here for the services. He doesn't just have autism he has severe bi polar and shizophrenic. He has beaten me and my mom... he has lied and has fantasies about so many things. He does not want to listen to authority...he is not famous but wants to beleive he is.he does what he wants and if you dont let him he gets violent..if you want more information contact me|Elisabeth, in Papa Guts comment section.<ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png</ref>|author=Elisabeth <ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png</ref>}}
Suffice to say, she had absolutely no more love for Daniel and had grown to despise him, despite being the only (biological) family she has still left.

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:DannyElisabeth.png|Elisabeth and Danny boy.
File:DannyElisabeth2.png|Notice their lack of eyebrows.
File:Elisabeth1.png|Now it's clear where Daniel gets it from.
File:Elisabeth2.png|Her real parents have got to be siblings.
File:Elisabeth3.png|Mrs. Larson not long before she died.
File:Elisabeth4.png|Look at that double chin.
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== See Also ==

* [[Family]]
* [[Travis Larson]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

==References==
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[[Category:Family]]

Bob Proctor

2026-02-17T12:36:18Z

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{{Infobox|infoboxHeader=Robert Proctor|image=What Bob Proctor is suspected to look like.png|imageDesc=A picture of Bob, taken by Daniel.|name=Robert Proctor|Knownas=Bob, Fuck Ass Bob <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15wn91e/wrong_bob_danny_boy/</ref>|Alignment=Daniel's (Former) Friend|DOB=Unknown (70s, according to Daniel)|Gender=Male|Arcs=}}

'''Robert "Bob" Proctor''' is an elderly man and philanthropist, who is most notable for being one of the most important figures in [[Daniel Larson|Daniel Larson's]] life. Bob took on the impossible task of becoming Daniel's guardian and "mentor," an undertaking exposing him to the full force of Daniel's [[December 10th Incident|anger management issues]]. Bob is also known for being involved in some of the most infamous incidents in Daniel's life, most notably the [[December 10th Incident|December 10th incident]] and [[August 31st Incident]]. He also served as a convenient scapegoat to blame whenever Daniel needed one, as well as a player in Daniel's delusions, as trolls would constantly impersonate him to gain influence over him.

Bob has served as a patron for Daniel's music career, paying for the production of his most famous song, [[Music Career|"Roaring Thunder,"]] and encouraged his further musical endeavors. Even so, Daniel has done nothing but take his generosity for granted by frequently [[Big Dick Muscle Man Incident|getting into arguments with him]], [[August 31st Incident|assaulting him]], and wasting away the money that Bob gave him ([[Daniel Larson's health|at one point even buying a fleshlight with money Bob had given him to spend on essentials]]).

Bob is keenly aware of Daniel's social media activity and, consequently, has repeatedly requested Daniel not to film or record him, citing concerns about potential harassment from [[trolls|trolls.]] At one point, Bob even asked Daniel to refrain from using his phone altogether due to Daniel's irresponsible behavior on social media. Obviously, Daniel has not respected these wishes, once even getting into a physical altercation with Bob which ended up in the authorities having to be called.<ref>[[August 31st Incident]]</ref>

On Christmas 2023, Bob had ceased providing financial support to Daniel and was thought to have cut off Daniel permanently. However, during the wake of the [[Second Jail Arc]] it was revealed by [[Flexburger]] that Bob had come back into contact with Daniel, and every time Daniel mentioned him after Christmas 2023 was not a lie. Following Daniel's arrest on 30 April 2024 and his subsequent [[Second Jail Arc|incarceration]], Bob seemed to have occasional contact with Daniel over text messages; however, as of December 2024, it cannot be confirmed if such contact continued. However, in January 2026, Bob testified in court for Daniel's case.

== Biography ==
[[File:Maryannproctor.png|left|thumb|303x303px|Bob's late wife, MaryAnn Proctor. ]]
Bob's childhood or any events that happened in his early life are unknown, and will most likely stay unknown for the foreseeable future.

It is unclear where Bob works. According to Daniel, Bob works, or at the very least ''has'' worked, in the medical field. While confirmation on his occupation is inconclusive, it can be inferred that from Bob's ability to sponsor Daniel the way he did, he most likely had a very high paying job. Daniel has also claimed that Bob has a bad reputation at his workplace due to their relationship.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYyp8Ech9E&list=PLYpqXVHE5P7CikTuzPzzIsmp8hQM7OViD&index=3</ref><ref>[[:File:BobMedicalField.png]]</ref>

However, it is known that Bob, as well as his wife, MaryAnn Proctor (March 31, 1954 - December 30, 2014),<ref>https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/wheat-ridge-co/maryann-proctor-6261164</ref> were outspoken philanthropists and frequently helped disabled people throughout their lifetimes. Bob is known to have spent over 20 years donating to the [[Tennyson Center]], and other charities for the disabled.<ref>https://www.tennysoncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/2016-Annual-Report.pdf</ref><ref>https://www.tennysoncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2021-Annual-Report.pdf</ref> Bob's wife, MaryAnn, was a known member of the West Chamber Youth Leadership, another nonprofit organization that helped young people. Bob also has two step-children, Jason and Jonathan Shroud. By the time Bob married MaryAnn, the two were already adults. It is unclear what relationship Bob shares with his children. But, it is safe to assume that he most likely does not play an active part in their lives. Jason is said to have served in the Iraq War.<ref>[[:File:BobsSonJason.png]]</ref><ref>[[:File:JasonIraqWar.png]]</ref>
[[File:BobBench.png|thumb|Bob, pictured near the bench dedicated to his late wife. ]]
In 2014, MaryAnn would unfortunately pass away whilst undergoing a angioplasty. Her funeral was held at the Green Mountain United Methodist Church.<ref>https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/wheat-ridge-co/maryann-proctor-6261164</ref> West Chamber would also raise money to dedicate a park bench to her at the Golden Hill Business Center and unveiled it June 22, 2015. Bob was pictured at this park bench.<ref>https://coloradocommunitymedia.com/2015/06/30/west-chamber-honors-mary-ann-proctor-with-memorial-bench/</ref>

Most likely through his connections as a frequent donor, Bob and Daniel met at the Tennyson Center through a program called "Reading Buddies." According to Daniel, the time he spent with Bob mainly consisted of playing boards games together and reading.<ref>[[Spiddlekick Interview]]</ref>

=== Poor Health, and Speculated Cancer ===
{{Quote|I don't want to die, but who knows. You and your social media don't want to believe the cancer either.|Bob, to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/181ljgp/exclusive_bob_doesnt_want_to_die/</ref>}}
[[File:Bob in his car.png|alt=Bob Proctor in his car with Daniel Larson.|thumb|Bob in his car.]]
It is speculated that Bob has cancer, although what type of cancer is unknown, and the validity of him having the illness at all is debated extensively. Daniel, in a YouTube comment, claims that Bob was, "...confirmed to not have cancer or if he did he is using that now as a way to manipulate". Daniel, like with many things, likes to go back and forth on whether Bobs cancer is true or not.

However, it should be noted that Daniel has a record of saying extremities and various ridiculous things to gain attention, but if this is true, it also confirms that for the majority of their interactions, Daniel has been harassing a man who is dying of cancer for money and various other items, which is utterly uncaring of his illness. <gallery>
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== Relationships ==

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

While not much is known about their relationship, Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer]], developed a friendship with Bob. It is theorized that Nancy and Bob could have had a romantic relationship; however, this claim is unsubstantiated and is most likely not true. Their friendship grew during the time Bob would play board games and spend so much time with Daniel such that when Nancy was on her inevitable deathbed due to cancer one of her last wishes was for Bob to take care of Daniel when she was not there. Being the bleeding heart liberal he was, Bob took on the responsibility to caring for Daniel, a burden that he could not carry.

It is also theorized that Nancy put Bob in charge of some sort of bank account or trust fund that she had left Daniel after she passed. This is speculated as a reason why Bob did not leave Daniel almost immediately after his violent outbursts; although, this is most likely false until further confirmation.

=== Daniel ===
[[File:I Can Count The Pixels.png|thumb|Bob and Daniel at a Bowling Alley.]]
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Bob has been acquainted with Daniel since his formative years, and it is likely that he is the only genuine father figure Daniel has ever had, especially after Daniel's own [[Travis Larson|father]] disowned him due to his outbursts.

Daniel and Bob first came into contact through a reading buddy program at the [[Tennyson Center]], a facility Daniel went for schooling and living in his teens, during a time when he was still recovering from his parents' abuse. While living at the Tennyson Center (at the time of an ongoing custody battle), Daniel had the opportunity to attend a reading buddy program once a week. Daniel reports that he and Bob, ". . .really hit it off," enough that the Tennyson Center permitted them to have a relationship outside their program. Ever since their initial meeting, Bob became a "mentor" to Daniel; although, his abilities at mentoring Daniel are dubious to say the least. After Nancy's death, however, Bob formed more of a fatherly bond with Daniel. Having no biological children of his own and little to no association with his stepchildren, it is likely that Bob sees Daniel as something of a son.
[[File:BobRetirementDebt.png|left|thumb|A conversation between Daniel and Bob.]]
Despite his alleged profession in the medical field, Bob obviously has no idea how to handle a very mentally disturbed person such as Daniel. As mentioned in the [[Caretaker Call]] (even while considering its questionable validity), while Bob obviously has lots of care for Daniel, he has no idea how to deal with a person with as many [[Daniel Larson's health|mental issues]] as Daniel. This has, obviously, not been in his favor, because of Daniel's schizophrenia and autism, they have had many fights that have resulted in Bob having to call the police to deescalate the situation. This is evident in the [[December 10th Incident|December 10th Incident,]] where Daniel had an aggressive meltdown in Bob's car where he physically assaults him multiple times. However, one of the most notable incidents between them where they do not have any sort of physical altercation is the [[Big Dick Muscle Man Incident]] where Bob refers to American social media personality [[Jacob Sartorius]] as "Big Dick Muscle Man", in between Daniel arguing with Bob about the validity of his delusions, and, oddly, the size of his own penis.

Despite Bob’s issues with Daniel, he has continued to support him. After Daniel broke his phone during his [[Travel Arc|world tour]] in Texas, Bob bought Daniel a new one. However, Daniel has remained consistently ungrateful treating Bob as more of a paypig than a person. Bob has funded many of Daniels endeavors, most notably his career as a singer-songwriter, funding studio sessions to record songs such as [[Roaring Thunder]] and [[Something More]].

Prior to this, it was unknown as to how much money Bob was giving Daniel. On November 27, 2023, it was revealed that Bob was giving Daniel nearly 1000 dollars per month, which left him in a position where he only had the income leftover in his retirement account, along with having to figure out how to live while on social security.

On [[August 31st Incident|August 31, 2023]], Daniel and Bob were involved in another physical altercation after Daniel refused to put his phone away. Following this, Bob rarely had contact with Daniel, and on [[Christmas Day Meltdown|December 25, 2023]], called a wellness check on him. The officers called Daniel and said that Bob was fine but wanted a break from him. Nonetheless, Daniel had a meltdown that night.

== Alleged Death ==
[[File:BobMemorial.png|thumb|400x400px|"May Robert rest peacefully now. He is survived by his son Jason Proctor and his friend Daniel Larson"]]
On December 11, 2023, a [[Trolls|troll]] pretending to be a nurse under the name Lucy commented in the community tab under Daniel's account that Bob had suffered a heart attack and died at 2:03 AM.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxWCZ-xKpqgjBCFzKzaHurtK4WZum8b-ym</ref> Daniel seemed to believe this for the most part. In his "grief", Daniel had also posted a memorial of Bob on his community tab.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-2xDheSLpYFUrqT2rz1_6w/community?lb=UgkxHMj-U_lM4GZtfX3tm3fQb6wRXWI4YQ4o</ref>
{{Quote|In memory of Robert proctor. We will always miss you. The impact you made in the world was loving and kind 💞 RIP godfather 💖😉}}
Despite this being the first instance of Daniel calling him a godfather, just like [[Nancy Shimer|his grandmother]], Daniel obviously did not care very much about the supposed passing of his friend. Bob, if anything, was nothing more than a wallet to Daniel, who was there to give him money and nothing more.

== False End ==
From late November 2023, Bob appeared to have finally cut off Daniel ''for good'', following years of abusive behavior from him, the driving influence behind his decision being his continuing lack of money, causing an inability to support Daniel any longer. However, the community would come to realize that [[Jail Arc 2|Bob had been speaking with Daniel all this time.]]

=== Christmas 2023 ===
''Main article: [[Christmas Day Meltdown]]''

Unsurprisingly, Daniel's [[The Golden Hotel Incident|antics]] would leave him on the streets for Christmas once again. On December 25, 2023, Daniel, "wishing to take bob out to dinner",<ref>[[Media:Christmas2023YTComments.png]]</ref> called a wellness check on Bob. The officer confirmed to Daniel that Bob was, in fact, still alive and not dead. <ref>https://archive.org/details/7316644773371120938</ref>

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Daniel tried to get Bob to talk to him in various ways, but as the night progressed it became clear that Bob would not give in. Daniel grew angrier at Bob, partially fueled with how cold it was and being forced on the streets after being trespassed from another motel. Daniel would continue to post many frantic videos that were quickly removed / deleted. The removal of the videos made archival more difficult.

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=== Fake Bob interaction ===

On December 26, 2023 Daniel falls for a troll pretending to be Bob in his YouTube community comments after the troll apologizes for everything. Most of the conversation is Daniel attempting to get "Bob" to call or text him as well as pleads for help. After many comments going back and forth and Daniel growing more frustrated, Daniel eventually caught on to something being wrong and deleted all of the threads.

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File:FakeBobSaysSorry.png||Fake Bob says sorry
File:FakeBobSaysDanielsWelcome.png||Daniel not comfortable just randomly showing up at Bob's
File:FakeBobSaysNotSafeToText.png|Explaining why the Bob impersonator cannot text
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== Texts with Clark ==
As revealed by Flexburger in his video on Daniel, Clark, Daniel's manager at the time, had been in contact with Bob Proctor. Bob himself had thought that Clark was indeed a friend and a manager of Daniel, despite Clark admitting otherwise in the end. Not only this, but according to Clark, Bob had always been in contact with Daniel even with the Christmas Day Meltdown in mind; only cutting contact with Daniel to then try and take a break from him.

There is a likely chance that Bob is still in contact with Daniel even while he is in jail, showing that Bob's bleeding liberal heart can not bring himself to truly cut off Daniel unless he were to die or if another party stepped in.<gallery caption="Bob's texts with Clark">
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== External Links ==
{{Homeless Era}}{{Chronology}}

==References==
<references />

Daniel and Intelligence

2026-02-17T12:35:13Z

Sorades: /* Manipulation */

{{Videos Need Archiving}}{{Stub}}

[[Daniel Larson]], due to his upbringing, his [[Daniel Larson's health|intellectual disability]], and many other factors, is '''not very smart'''. In fact, one may use Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of ''stupid'' ("lacking intelligence or reason") to describe Daniel, with reasons explained below.

==School Years==
[[File:Skool.png|thumb|465x465px|Daniel's class photo presenting awards he did not help get.]]

Daniel Larson originally went to the [[Tennyson Center]] for his middle school education and later attended [[Sobesky Academy]]<ref>https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-larson-b734b2196</ref> for high school. Daniel has not revealed much about his school life. Larsonians presume that he was a social outcast due to his multiple issues. In Daniel's school years, he seemed to be a fun, outgoing kid, with him even on the news running around so innocently. However, during these times, Daniel was having a lot of home trouble, resulting in where he is now.

===Gallery===
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File:V31btpkph5va1.jpg|Presidential foreshadowing???
File:Furries.png|[[Danderson]] furry lore
File:Graduation.png|Daniel actually graduated from high school...
</gallery>

==Mathematics==
[[File:Our president.jpg|thumb|361x361px|Bob added up the money he made and Daniel finished the rest of the math. It becomes very apparent that Daniel does not know how to properly add money. An average of 400-500 a day would average out to $2,800-$3,500 a week. This would equate to around $146,000 to $182,500. With his estimate of making $23,000 a year, he would only be making about $63.01 per day. ($23,000/365 days in a year)]]

Despite supposedly taking Algebra II classes in high school, Daniel has the mathematical abilities of a kindergartner. This poses a major problem with how he deals with his [[Daniel Larson's Finances|finances]], and probably impairs his judgment of chance which encourages him to further waste his money on [[Daniel Larson's Gambling|gambling]].

Daniel would upload a video of him doing a [https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/wbh2pv/mr_president_doing_some_math/ Math] challenge where he wastes a lot of time doing a simple subtraction question, demonstrating his lack of mathematical expertise.

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In this clip, Daniel is able to at least manage simple addition, managing to decipher the complex problem of six plus six, figuring out it is [[Speech Impediment|trelve]]. Dealing with larger numbers is more difficult for him; however, as the image above shows. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/x3cr9o/a_human_calculator/ This clip] provides us with more evidence that Daniel just doesn't know how many days, weeks, or months are in a year, month, etc.

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However, in this clip, our [[Presidential Campaign|great leader]] is unable to solve 42, and struggles with 4-2. It is unlikely that he even knows how to multiply numbers together, let alone understand what square numbers are.

==Speech==
{{main|Speech Impediment}}

Daniel is able to speak English well enough, however, he has a [[Speech Impediment|speech impediment]] which causes him to mispronounce words, such as pronouncing "woke" as "roke". Even so, he has been known to make speeches (on the spot, no less) like [[Roe v. Wade Reversal Protest#Transcript|the one during a Roe v. Wade protest]] over the overturning of the Supreme Court's decision. However, he was off-topic during his discussion leading some to believe that his literacy is --to say the least-- lacking.

==Literacy==
[[File:RatherPost.jpg|thumb|Daniel is going to dinner "rather" ''(whether)'' anyone likes it or not!]]

===Reading and writing===
Daniel can read and write basic information, but his typing style and use of language is somewhat idiosyncratic, not matching what most English speakers would consider "standard" usage. This could be because he heavily relies on the speech-to-text (dictation) feature on his phone, which sometimes interprets words based on Daniel's pronunciation, resulting in misinterpreted or altered words.

===Handwriting===
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Daniel's handwriting, while not a confirmed diagnosis, exhibits traits often associated with [[wikipedia:Dysgraphia|dysgraphia]]. It can be perceived as the writing of a child between kindergarten and second grade, around 5 to 7 years old. On one occasion, Daniel seemed to create a shopping list, jotting down items he needed to purchase like "tv ᴅeɴɴers" (TV dinners,) "Jiuse" (Juice), "cheese," and "Bʀᴏwne" ("brownie").<ref>https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fx3mrrodi2vnb1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D94b59da6fd2fd14368159b0c3afdf5fd384c95f8</ref>

The provided example, a message to [[Andrew]], showcases Daniel's capability to construct adequately correct and coherent sentences despite his notably poor handwriting.<blockquote>Hello Andrew this is Daniel Larson. Bob is currently sick and in the hospital. I have an update I have 3 new criminal charges. and a song release on July 1st, my phone number i... ''[message is literally cut off]''</blockquote>

==Gullibility==
''See also: [[Delusions]], [[Nuclear attack]], [[Trolls]]''

Daniel is a very gullible person, prone to falling for obvious falsehoods given to him by his 'management'. He tends to unquestionably believe in the authenticity of individuals, even obvious trolls or impersonators, trusting them at face value. Daniel clearly doesn't even consider, maybe that person isn't ''really'' who they say they are. One popular example is his [[Celebrity in the hospital rambling]] where his managers trick him into believing that Grace had died, and making him spread the message to bystanders.

However, Daniel would have rare moments of lucidity when he realizes he is getting trolled; most notable when Daniel was stood up by "Grace" while waiting for her at the theaters, somehow realizing that he looks "delusional" and "stupid" and that "no wonder Bob thinks [he's] an idiot." <ref>https://twitter.com/DanielLarson4P/status/1733893803369447824</ref> Daniel seems to be extremely gullible when it comes to Grace in particular. Another example is when Daniel was tricked by some trolls pretending to be Grace; when asked for verification, Daniel was sent child pornography. Sadly, this was then seen by a [[Daniel MacDougall|secret service agent]] and Daniel had his phone threatened to be taken away from him. Daniel believes this all to be a big misunderstanding, and his saving of the photo was to show Mr. McDougall the crimes of his trolls.

== Manipulation ==
Despite his disabilities, Daniel is known to manipulate others, or at least tries to. Typical methods involve self harm andoccasionally suicide baiting. His ability to convince others (like [[Bob]]) that he is a victim is most likely the only reason he is still alive. Although it doesn't look like Daniel is having [[Jail Arc 2|too much luck]] convincing the courts that his terroristic threats against the White House were justifiable.

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Daniel]]

Travis Larson

2026-02-09T15:36:51Z

Sorades: /* Elisabeth */

<center>{{Doxxing}}{{Contact|He wants NOTHING to do with Daniel and contacting him will not produce any useful information.|subject=Travis Larson}}{{Needs Updating|Sources=[[Spiddlekick Interview]], [[Elisabeth Shimer]]}}
</center>{{Quote|That's on you. I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is. Sorry you can't take it. If your services will not let you get a job you don't get a job. Why is that so hard for you understand. Do as you are told. Follow the rules. Stop fighting against it.||author=Travis, in a text to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref>}}
{{Infobox|image=TravisAurora.png|imageDesc=Travis, and Daniels half-sister, Aurora|name=James Travis Larson|Alignment=Daniel Larson's father|DOB=September, 1978 (Age 45)|Nationality=American|Race=White|Gender=Male|Arcs=Before Era}}
'''James “Travis” Larson''' is the father of [[Daniel Larson]], [[Family|Joyetta Larson, Olivia Larson, and Aurora Larson]], ex-lover of [[Elisabeth Shimer]], ex-son-in-law of [[Nancy Shimer]], and the husband of [[Family|Paige Larson]].

Not much is known about Travis' involvement in Daniel's life, making him the most unpopular out of his parents. However, based on the interview with him, it can be assumed that the relationship between the two deteriorated long before he was an adult. This can also be said for his relationship with Daniel's mother, Elisabeth, as well.

Just like Elisabeth, there are also extremely tenuous claims of Travis abusing Daniel, with Daniel even claiming that Travis made him smoke cigars at a young age.<ref>[[November 6th Arrest]]</ref> Though, like many of Daniel's other claims, this should be taken with a grain of salt due to him being an unreliable narrator. Suffice to say, Travis officially distanced himself from Daniel and his mother long ago, wishing to be left alone.

After leaving his first family, Travis started up another with a woman named Paige, giving birth to Daniel's half-sister, [[Family|Aurora Larson]].

As of 2025, Travis has no contact with Daniel and advises anyone who comes across him to call the police and report him.

== Biography ==
{{PleaseSpreadTheMessage|Just like Daniel's mother, Travis is not confirmed to have physically abused Daniel, or mistreated him during his childhood. Their relationship is noted to have deteriorated before Daniel was even a teenager, and he is noted as not wanting to deal with Daniel due to his violent behavior. As stated many times before, confirmation on this matter is inconclusive, and it is more likely that Daniel was the abuser himself.}}
Travis Larson was born in September 1978 in Lancaster, California to parents James Ted Larson (April 22nd, 1930 – July 13th 2009) and Joan Beverly Lloyd (May 23rd, 1937 – April 30th, 2013), who got married on the 28th of September 1963, in Nevada.<ref>https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/find/person/p46un0r808nlunl2u4uu</ref><ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GPSG-RJJ</ref> He currently still lives in Lancaster, where his son Daniel would be born. Just like [[Elisabeth Shimer|Elisabeth]], it is speculated that Travis suffers from some sort of mental and/or physical disability that passed onto Daniel. This has not been confirmed and is mostly speculative.

It is rumored that both his mom and Travis were extremely abusive to Daniel, which eventually led to Daniel being [[Tennyson Center|taken away by social services]]. Daniel, at one time, even claimed that his father made him smoke cigars as punishment, and even worse, beat him with belts for "15 years." These claims cannot be substantiated, and it should be noted that Travis left Daniel's life well before he was taken away by social services.[[File:TravisFamily.jpg|thumb|What a happy family. ]]
In 2010, Travis separated from Elisabeth. According to posts made on Elisabeth's Facebook account, it can be inferred that his reason for leaving Elisabeth had to do with him not being able to put up with Daniel's behavioral issues and seeing Daniel as a lost cause. Additionally, in a leaked text message to Daniel, Travis states, "I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is,"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref> which reaffirms claims of Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]], enabling his problematic behavior.

Due to this combination of Daniel's behavioral issues, and no longer being compatible with Elisabeth, Travis and her split sometime around the early parts of 2010, coinciding with Daniel eventually being rehoused into the [[Tennyson Center|Tennyson Center.]] It appears him and Elisabeth were never married, evidenced by a Facebook post Elisabeth made where she refers to him as a "boyfriend" opposed to a husband. Some years later, Travis married a woman named Paige Larson. Paige and Travis would go on to conceive Daniel's half-sister, [[Family#Aurora Larson|Aurora]].

In April 2023, Daniel was asked during a QnA about his parents, including if they were drug users. Daniel claimed that Travis was a heavy cigarette smoker.<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1299v75/daniel_larson_addressing_his_relationship_with/</ref>

== Relationships ==
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth's Facebook post regarding Travis. ]]
=== Elisabeth ===
Main article: [[Elisabeth Shimer]]

It is not unreasonable to say that Elisabeth and Travis's relationship was, to say the least, not the best. In a Facebook post, Elisabeth describes Travis as, "a person whom is so obsessed in sex that he can't even care about other people's feelings,". While the validity of this is questionable, this is somewhat substantiated by how many children Travis and Elisabeth had. Even given Joyetta and Olivia's deaths, it still calls in question how much intercourse they were having to a point where Elisabeth was pregnant with twins.

In the wake of Daniel's behavioral and mental health issues (and him being relocated to the Tennyson Center), Travis decided to cut his losses and leave the mother of his child, telling Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as in her words, he'd "never get better". Time would prove him right.

Given that both Elisabeth and Travis have remarried, it can be inferred that they've since moved on from each other.

=== Daniel ===
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Daniel and his fathers' relationship is strained, to say the least. Realizing (correctly) that Daniel will never get better, he left both him and Elisabeth and has since disowned that ticking time bomb of a son. He remarried and has at least one daughter from his marriage.

In an interview conducted by LarsonLeak, his father says that he is aware of the allegations of [[pedophilia]] against him. Additionally, he states that Daniel has gotten in physical altercations with less than 10 care providers and people close to him. In a text sent to Daniel, Travis notes that he won't lie and enable Daniel's behavior like his grandmother had done in the past. Unlike Elisabeth, he insists on reporting Daniel to the police if people were to ever come in contact with him.

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

It can be assumed that Travis and Nancy have a less than positive relationship. In the [[Spiddlekick Interview]], Daniel notes that Travis called his grandmother, "a bitch", due to her gaining custody of Daniel after he was removed from his mother's care. Though, outside of this, not much else is known.

==Interview==
In November 2022, [[larsonleak|LarsonLeak]], a YouTube channel dedicated to leaking information about Daniel, uploaded a video where he briefly interviews Travis, though he gets angry and hangs up on him, which is understandable.{{#evt:
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===Transcript===

Q: ''Hey, is this Travis?''

A: "Who the hell is this?" ''(in an angry / confused tone)''

'''''(Things got a little heated... so we caught him on another day.)'''''

Q: Do you know who Daniel Larson is?

A: "I'm not gonna reveal any information at this point."

Q: Are you aware of his [[Social Media Accounts|social media presence]]?

A: "Yes."

Q: Is he big? Like [[Delusions#Fame|celebrity level]]?

A: "In the thousands of followers."

Q: Do you know about him using the [[The N Word|N-Word]] online?

A: "Nothing racial, before this."

Q: What's exactly wrong with him?

A: "He has several [[Daniel Larson's health|mental disabilities]]."

Q: Which ones?

A: "I'm not gonna give any further information."

Q: You are aware of the rumors of him being a [[Pedophilia|pedo]], right?

A: "Correct".

Q: What do you have to say about them? Especially with all the evidence online?

A: "My advice is literally [[Daniel's Criminal History|call the cops and report him]]."

Q: There are videos of him [[Meltdowns|breaking things, etc.]] Has he gotten in any physical fights with caretakers or family members? If so... how many?

A: "Less than ten."

'''''(We asked him about how his life was in California. For some reason he didn't like that [[Glossary#K|creshtin]].)'''''

Travis ''(angry)'': "...cause I'm in fucking [[California]], you got the wrong number!"

Travis: "Bye."

== Gallery ==
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File:TravisLarsonProm.png|Travis and his new wife. Isn't she a beauty?
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==See Also==

* [[Elisabeth Shimer]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Family]]

Travis Larson

2025-06-26T07:52:17Z

Sorades: /* Daniel */

<center>{{Doxxing}}{{Contact|He wants NOTHING to do with Daniel and contacting him will not produce any useful information.|subject=Travis Larson}}{{Needs Updating|Sources=[[Spiddlekick Interview]], [[Elisabeth Shimer]]}}
</center>{{Quote|That's on you. I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is. Sorry you can't take it. If your services will not let you get a job you don't get a job. Why is that so hard for you understand. Do as you are told. Follow the rules. Stop fighting against it.||author=Travis, in a text to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref>}}
{{Infobox|image=TravisAurora.png|imageDesc=Travis, and Daniels half-sister, Aurora|name=James Travis Larson|Alignment=Daniel Larson's father|DOB=September, 1978 (Age 45)|Nationality=American|Race=White|Gender=Male|Arcs=Before Era}}
'''James “Travis” Larson''' is the father of [[Daniel Larson]], [[Family|Joyetta Larson, Olivia Larson, and Aurora Larson]], ex-lover of [[Elisabeth Shimer]], ex-son-in-law of [[Nancy Shimer]], and the husband of [[Family|Paige Larson]].

Not much is known about Travis' involvement in Daniel's life, making him the most unpopular out of his parents. However, based on the interview with him, it can be assumed that the relationship between the two deteriorated long before he was an adult. This can also be said for his relationship with Daniel's mother, Elisabeth, as well.

Just like Elisabeth, there are also extremely tenuous claims of Travis abusing Daniel, with Daniel even claiming that Travis made him smoke cigars at a young age.<ref>[[November 6th Arrest]]</ref> Though, like many of Daniel's other claims, this should be taken with a grain of salt due to him being an unreliable narrator. Suffice to say, Travis officially distanced himself from Daniel and his mother long ago, wishing to be left alone.

After leaving his first family, Travis started up another with a woman named Paige, giving birth to Daniel's half-sister, [[Family|Aurora Larson]].

As of 2025, Travis has no contact with Daniel and advises anyone who comes across him to call the police and report him.

== Biography ==
{{PleaseSpreadTheMessage|Just like Daniel's mother, Travis is not confirmed to have physically abused Daniel, or mistreated him during his childhood. Their relationship is noted to have deteriorated before Daniel was even a teenager, and he is noted as not wanting to deal with Daniel due to his violent behavior. As stated many times before, confirmation on this matter is inconclusive, and it is more likely that Daniel was the abuser himself.}}
Travis Larson was born in September 1978 in Lancaster, California to parents James Ted Larson (April 22nd, 1930 – July 13th 2009) and Joan Beverly Lloyd (May 23rd, 1937 – April 30th, 2013), who got married on the 28th of September 1963, in Nevada.<ref>https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/find/person/p46un0r808nlunl2u4uu</ref><ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GPSG-RJJ</ref> He currently still lives in Lancaster, where his son Daniel would be born. Just like [[Elisabeth Shimer|Elisabeth]], it is speculated that Travis suffers from some sort of mental and/or physical disability that passed onto Daniel. This has not been confirmed and is mostly speculative.

It is rumored that both his mom and Travis were extremely abusive to Daniel, which eventually led to Daniel being [[Tennyson Center|taken away by social services]]. Daniel, at one time, even claimed that his father made him smoke cigars as punishment, and even worse, beat him with belts for "15 years." These claims cannot be substantiated, and it should be noted that Travis left Daniel's life well before he was taken away by social services.[[File:TravisFamily.jpg|thumb|What a happy family. ]]
In 2010, Travis separated from Elisabeth. According to posts made on Elisabeth's Facebook account, it can be inferred that his reason for leaving Elisabeth had to do with him not being able to put up with Daniel's behavioral issues and seeing Daniel as a lost cause. Additionally, in a leaked text message to Daniel, Travis states, "I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is,"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref> which reaffirms claims of Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]], enabling his problematic behavior.

Due to this combination of Daniel's behavioral issues, and no longer being compatible with Elisabeth, Travis and her split sometime around the early parts of 2010, coinciding with Daniel eventually being rehoused into the [[Tennyson Center|Tennyson Center.]] It appears him and Elisabeth were never married, evidenced by a Facebook post Elisabeth made where she refers to him as a "boyfriend" opposed to a husband. Some years later, Travis married a woman named Paige Larson. Paige and Travis would go on to conceive Daniel's half-sister, [[Family#Aurora Larson|Aurora]].

In April 2023, Daniel was asked during a QnA about his parents, including if they were drug users. Daniel claimed that Travis was a heavy cigarette smoker.<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1299v75/daniel_larson_addressing_his_relationship_with/</ref>

== Relationships ==
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth's Facebook post regarding Travis. ]]
=== Elisabeth ===
Main article: [[Elisabeth Shimer]]

It is not unreasonable to say that Elisabeth and Travis's relationship was, to say the least, not the best. In a Facebook post, Elisabeth describes Travis as, "a person whom is so obsessed in sex that he can't even care about other people's feelings,". While the validity of this is questionable, this is somewhat substantiated by how many children Travis and Elisabeth had. Even given Joyetta and Olivia's deaths, it still calls in question how much intercourse they were having to a point where Elisabeth was pregnant with twins.

In the wake of Daniel's behavioral and mental health issues (and him being relocated to the Tennyson Center), Travis decided to cut his losses and leave the mother of his child, telling Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as in her words, he'd "never get better".

Given that both Elisabeth and Travis have remarried, it can be inferred that they've since moved on from each other.

=== Daniel ===
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Daniel and his fathers' relationship is strained, to say the least. Realizing (correctly) that Daniel will never get better, he left both him and Elisabeth and has since disowned Daniel. He remarried and has at least one daughter from his marriage.

In an interview conducted by LarsonLeak, his father says that he is aware of the allegations of [[pedophilia]] against him. Additionally, he states that Daniel has gotten in physical altercations with less than 10 care providers and people close to him. In a text sent to Daniel, Travis notes that he won't lie and enable Daniel's behavior like his grandmother had done in the past. Unlike Elisabeth, he insists on reporting Daniel to the police if people were to ever come in contact with him.

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

It can be assumed that Travis and Nancy have a less than positive relationship. In the [[Spiddlekick Interview]], Daniel notes that Travis called his grandmother, "a bitch", due to her gaining custody of Daniel after he was removed from his mother's care. Though, outside of this, not much else is known.

==Interview==
In November 2022, [[larsonleak|LarsonLeak]], a YouTube channel dedicated to leaking information about Daniel, uploaded a video where he briefly interviews Travis, though he gets angry and hangs up on him, which is understandable.{{#evt:
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|id=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUtjGyL-fOE
}}

===Transcript===

Q: ''Hey, is this Travis?''

A: "Who the hell is this?" ''(in an angry / confused tone)''

'''''(Things got a little heated... so we caught him on another day.)'''''

Q: Do you know who Daniel Larson is?

A: "I'm not gonna reveal any information at this point."

Q: Are you aware of his [[Social Media Accounts|social media presence]]?

A: "Yes."

Q: Is he big? Like [[Delusions#Fame|celebrity level]]?

A: "In the thousands of followers."

Q: Do you know about him using the [[The N Word|N-Word]] online?

A: "Nothing racial, before this."

Q: What's exactly wrong with him?

A: "He has several [[Daniel Larson's health|mental disabilities]]."

Q: Which ones?

A: "I'm not gonna give any further information."

Q: You are aware of the rumors of him being a [[Pedophilia|pedo]], right?

A: "Correct".

Q: What do you have to say about them? Especially with all the evidence online?

A: "My advice is literally [[Daniel's Criminal History|call the cops and report him]]."

Q: There are videos of him [[Meltdowns|breaking things, etc.]] Has he gotten in any physical fights with caretakers or family members? If so... how many?

A: "Less than ten."

'''''(We asked him about how his life was in California. For some reason he didn't like that [[Glossary#K|creshtin]].)'''''

Travis ''(angry)'': "...cause I'm in fucking [[California]], you got the wrong number!"

Travis: "Bye."

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:TravisLarsonProm.png|Travis and his new wife. Isn't she a beauty?
File:TravisWife1.png
File:TravisWife3.png
File:TravisWife4.png
File:TravisLarson1.png
File:TravisLarson3.png
File:TravisLarson4.png
File:TravisLarson5.png
File:TravisLarson6.png
</gallery>

==See Also==

* [[Elisabeth Shimer]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Family]]

Elisabeth Shimer

2025-06-17T09:17:51Z

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{{Quote|I am a [[Music Career|singer, song writer]]. I am a Christan and Believe that God put me here for a Good reason. I show my love for him through my music..|author=Elisabeth's Facebook bio.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/p/Elisabeth-Shimer-100061085711239/</ref>}}
{{Quote|My son is my heart....I would sacrifice everything for him that is in my life..........I LOVE YOU MY BIG BOY...................||author=Elisabeth, about a young [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]]. That did not age well.}}
{{Infobox|image=ElisabethShimer.jpeg|imageDesc=Notice her distinct lack of eyebrows.|name=Elisabeth Shimer|Knownas=Lisa|Alignment=Daniel Larson’s mother|DOB=November 4, 1976 - October 2024|Nationality=American|Race=White|Parents= [[Nancy Shimer]] (1947–2019) [[Family#Daniel William Shimer|Daniel William Shimer]] (1943–2015)|Arcs=[[Before Era]]}}
'''Elisabeth Lee Avey''' (née '''Shimer''', pronounced: [shy-mer]; November 4, 1976 – October 2024), name commonly mispelled as '''Elizabeth''', was the ex-lover of [[Travis Larson]], adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] and [[Family#Daniel William Shimer|Daniel William Shimer]], and most notably, the mother of [[Daniel Larson]] and his late siblings, [[Family#Joyetta and Olivia Larson|Joyetta and Olivia Larson.]]

Daniel's father has remained a rather unpopular figure in the Daniel Larson community, but the same cannot be said for Elisabeth. She has remained consistently disliked, even by Daniel. Elisabeth had been accused of being highly neglectful and abusive towards her son, which is questionable, although somewhat substantiated due to the fact that Daniel was relocated to the [[Tennyson Center]] during his childhood. Despite this fact, Elisabeth had also accused her own son of abuse towards her, which is substantiated as Elisabeth was documented to have been [[November 6th Arrest|assaulted by Daniel]] when he was 18 years old. Despite these mutual accusations of abuse, Elisabeth’s behaviors seem to have rubbed off onto Daniel during his childhood, as [[Discography|much like her son]], she too had an interest in music.

Nonetheless, after [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]]'s death, Elisabeth wished to keep absolutely no contact with Daniel, presumably having put a restraining order on him along with [[Travis Larson|Travis]]. This is most likely due to the physical assault she had endured, although the claim of this restraining order on him has yet to be confirmed.

Sometime in October 2024, Elisabeth passed away from undisclosed causes.
==Biography==
Elisabeth Lee Shimer was born on November 4th, 1976, in California. She is the adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] and [[Family|Daniel William Shimer]]. Nancy was said to have adopted her through connections from her job as a social worker, as her job required relocating infants to care homes, with Elisabeth being one of these infants.<ref>[[Spiddlekick Interview]]</ref> Due to this, information on her biological family is unknown. While unconfirmed, Elisabeth herself most likely suffers from the same mental disabilities Daniel has, or is at least somewhat mentally challenged. These claims come from her appearance, which is generally not seen in able-bodied individuals, and disabilities such as autism having very high heritability rates. However, until further information comes out, it will remain unknown exactly what she suffers from.

Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy prior to her divorce with Daniel Shimer, her adoptive father. It is unknown what real to relationship she had with him or her adoptive sisters.

In 1990, Elisabeth enrolled in YPIA (Young Peoples Institute of Arts and Academics), where she graduated from in 1993.<ref name=":0">https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> From 1995 to 2004, Elisabeth enrolled in Antelope Valley College, graduating in Music and Performing Arts.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> Not long after enrolling in AVC, Elisabeth would meet [[Travis Larson]], who, not long after, would help conceive Daniel with, to which she'd give birth on November 15th, 1998.[[File:Daniel's Mother Greiving.png|thumb|500x500px|Daniel's mother grieving the deaths of Joyetta and Olivia.]]
Later on, on March 27th, 2001, Elisabeth would conceive children with Travis once more. She'd soon give birth to Daniels only siblings, [[Family|Joyetta and Olivia Larson]]. The twins passed away the following day due to RH incompatibility.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0MnyaEcaQ2RWSmKDwvt26jKSZw7xEZRMYiBkFQAV3EENY8vvYHxxfFuLFWcn8FYual</ref>

Elisabeth would move to [[Colorado Springs|Colorado]] in 2009, when Daniel was 11.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F100000130337751%2Fposts%2F348916081789400%2F</ref> According to YouTube comments, her reasoning for moving to Colorado was due to the greater mental and physical health support, which both her and Daniel would need. By this time, Elisabeth was in a wheelchair due her years-long battle with lupus, compounded by several rounds of chemotherapy and immunosuppressants.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid02s8UAJC62RxL7SuCvYSnEcRNePmbR4QnBgTEBvWk7MmQxpxPMXaN4sQ3f1hrpRsA8l</ref> Since Elisabeth was roughly 20 years old, she had been diagnosed with an aggressive form of lupus, an incurable genetic autoimmune disease found predominantly in women, which caused her multiple health related issues.<ref>[https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain. https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain.]</ref>

But not long after, she would have no custody over him, as [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]] would be taken away by the state of Colorado and begin living in foster care, and eventually the [[Tennyson Center]]. While the reason stated for Daniel being taken away was due to neglect, it is unconfirmed as to what Elisabeth (or Travis) did to him.[[File:Elisabeth's Tweets.png|thumb|328x328px|Elisabeth, tweeting about her "music career"]]Daniel has stated that his mother “couldn’t take care of him anymore,”{{Citation Needed}} and given the fact that at this time Elisabeth was disabled and in a wheelchair, it is very likely that her disability impacted her ability and to care for him, resulting in neglect. Even so, it is hard to tell what is true about Elisabeth and what is not, due to Daniel constantly going back and forth on whether he was abused or not. This seems likely, though, as in 2010, Travis and Elisabeth had parted ways. According to one of Elisabeths facbeook posts, this occured after Travis told Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as he'd "never get better". With this absence, it most likely added an extra factor of difficulty to parenting Daniel.
With her new husband, James Avey, who she'd get engaged to on January 1st, 2011, she would co-own their business, [[Avey Incubator Inc]] in 2010, which sold animal incubators.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484311132578%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref>
[[File:ElisabethNewHusband.png|left|thumb|284x284px|Elisabeth, and James Avey. ]]
Something that is interesting to note about Elisabeth is her affinity for singing, which most likely influenced Daniel to pursue a career in singing. On her YouTube account, she would upload several videos of her singing, the most infamous being tributes to various people, namely Daniel. One of these videos was directed towards Daniel, where [https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Wd4lJI8KWas she sang "I Won't Give Up", which was posted on the 28th of September, 2014.]

On Elisabeth's Twitter account, she would frequently post about going to a music studio to work on her original songs, although these claims of having a music "career" and having "fans" are obviously untrue.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/12isgoq/now_we_see_where_he_gets_his_musical_career_and/</ref>

Sometime after Daniel was adopted by Nancy, Elisabeth was soon given access to see him once more, though the exact date is unknown. She had also made a tribute video to Joyetta and Olivia, wherein she sang "Angels", sharing various pictures of them after birth. Elisabeth shows an intense love for both of these children, although by the time the video had been posted, it had been well over a decade after their births, presumably showing more love for them than Daniel.

Sometime in 2015, Elisabeth went into partial assisted living, where her health would deteriorate further, evidenced by her posting on Facebook about herself being in and out of the hospital on a daily basis.[See discussion page, '''do not cite''']

On February 8th, 2016, Elisabeth posted on Facebook that she is paralyzed from the breastbone down, causing her to be in a wheelchair permanently.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0JtMbBhGNdBew78Qi6SyKKBNiPPMESAGtkUhjbrYViPSBdQue765qeJWpVZFK8C5Bl</ref> This should be remembered, as her being in a wheelchair would not prove to be positive within the coming years.

[[File:ElisabethDeath.png|thumb|277x277px|Facebook posts from Donna]]

=== Death ===
Elisabeth died in October 2024 at the age of 46 due to unknown circumstances. The circumstances of her death are widely debated, with many attempting to contest that Daniel's mother had truly passed.

Elisabeth's death was initially made known by Daniel's biological aunt, Donna Mcelroy. It is widely believed that Donna is Elisabeth's sister from her biological family. This relationship is reinforced by past posts made by Donna which Elisabeth commented on. In a Facebook post made in August 2024, Donna made it known that she had not heard from Elisabeth in nearly two years, before posting in October of same year, announcing Elisabeths death and asking for further information regarding it.

As of 2025, it is still unknown what caused Elisabeths death. Additionally, the status of her husband is also unknown.

== Custody Battle for Daniel ==
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==Relationships==
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth disavowing Travis. You go, girl!|280x280px]]
===Travis===
''Main article: [[Travis Larson]]''

Like many other aspects about them, not much about their relationship with each other is known. But, according to Facebook posts, their relationship deteriorated around [[Timeline (2010s)|2010]], coming to a screeching halt after Travis called Daniel a lost cause, insisting he would never get better. The fact that [[Daniel Larson Wiki|this very wiki]] exists has (unfortunately) proven him correct.
[[File:Elisabeth Venting.png|left|thumb|211x211px|Elisabeth venting on Facebook.]]
After this, Elisabeth insisted that she did not need a man in her life, claiming Travis to be "..obsessed with sex" and not caring for others feelings. These posts kicked off a constant theme of not needing a man in her life. However, this did not last very long, following her engagement on January 1st, 2011.

After their breakup, Travis left her for another woman not long after Daniel was taken away. Following their breakup, Travis had at least one daughter with his new wife Paige, named Aurora Larson.

===Nancy===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''
[[File:ElisabethNancy.png|thumb|250x250px|Got anymore pixels?]]
Elisabeth's relationship with her adopted mother is most unknown. What is known is that through connections as a social worker, Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy. Though, it isn't known at what time or year she was adopted. In June 2022, in comments made under a video uploaded by [[Papa Gut]], she elaborated on her relationship with her Nancy, where she claimed that Nancy had not liked her moving away to Colorado in 2009, resulting in Nancy "spreading lies", said lies being unclear. {{Quote|This was all a lie ...she just didn't like me moving away so she spread lies. And yes she did pass away in 2018.I love my son but he does have many mental issues and can be very violent at times ...he beat me and my mother before she died and had beaten her for 10 years straight...after she got custody of him...yes he should have stayed there. My mom let him get away with everything and gave him everything that's why he is the way he is... I wouldn't put up with his behavior |author=Elisabeth <ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Final_Comment.png</ref>}}What is important to know is that these claims about Nancy are most likely not true. Due to her disability, and Daniel (in Flexburgers words) "being an asshole", she was unequipped to care for him, especially given Travis's absence. Despite Nancy's [[Enablers|enabling]], It is most likely that Nancy called child protective services to get Daniel into a home where he could be properly cared for, which ended up being the [[Tennyson Center]].
===Daniel===
[[File:DanielandElisabeth.png|thumb|Danny boy, and his absolute smokeshow of a mother. Talk about getting the Genetic middle finger.|260x260px]]
''Main article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Daniel is Elisabeth's first and only biological child after the death of her twins.

Elisabeth's relationship with Daniel can be best described as shattered. Daniel has claimed that Elisabeth was abusive to him during his childhood, though the exact nature of this abuse is unknown, as one time he said that she and Travis beat him with belts for "15 years", and at another time, saying that she had never abused him at all. However, in Facebook posts made in the early 2010's, Elisabeth would wax poetic about how much she loved Daniel. Even after Travis left her in 2010, Elisabeth still made an effort to try and get her back into her life, but eventually gave up on Daniel herself.

One of Elisabeths nicknames for Daniel was, "Danny Boy", which he'd grow to detest and hate being called. Daniel also alledges that Elisabeth hated being called "mom" or "mother", and demanded that Daniel call her "mommy", otherwise she'd get upset.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14kn6gg/surprising_revelations_about_daniels_mother/</ref> However, like many others things, it should be noted that Daniel is extremely delusional and his statements should not be taken at face value.

There are also extremely tenuous (and more importantly, '''unconfirmed''') claims of Elisabeth sexually assaulting Daniel when he was a young child, which may have kicked off his [[pedophilia]]. This claim comes from question Daniel asked on his [[Quora|Quora page]] "Has your mother ever given you a hand job as a kid?" as well as a testimony from a person ''claiming'' to be a caretaker of Daniel's who said he had a "history of child sexual abuse." However, this is probably unlikely, given Elisabeth becoming paralyzed, and [[11/6/17 Arrest|Daniel's history of beating his mother.]]

This would not serve her in the long run, as Daniel was claimed to have beaten his mom and his grandmother for "ten straight years", which painted ''him'' as the abuser. This got to a point where Daniel was even arrested, [[11/6/17 Arrest|having to serve 44-45 in prison for 3rd degree assault]] after he shoved his mother. In June of 2022, Elisabeth would leave comments on videos made by YouTuber [[Papa Gut]], detailing her experiance with Daniel while he was living with both her and his grandmother,

In the comments, Elisabeth would go into further detail on a number of topics relating to Daniel, including Daniel's various disabilities that were beyond autism (such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), his history of physical violence against both her and [[Nancy Shimer]], the interpersonal relationship between the three of them, and how Daniel even went to jail because of this physical violence.<ref>[[:File:ElisabethShimerPapaGut(1).png]]</ref>
{{Quote|I'm Danny's mom and yes we have moved here for the services. He doesn't just have autism he has severe bi polar and shizophrenic. He has beaten me and my mom... he has lied and has fantasies about so many things. He does not want to listen to authority...he is not famous but wants to beleive he is.he does what he wants and if you dont let him he gets violent..if you want more information contact me|Elisabeth, in Papa Guts comment section.<ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png</ref>|author=Elisabeth <ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png</ref>}}
Suffice to say, she had absolutely no more love for Daniel and had grown to despise him, despite being the only (biological) family she has still left.
==Other Social Media Accounts==
[[File:Shakybby.jpg|thumb|Example of a troll pretending to be his mother|367x367px]]While there are various social media accounts that can be verifiably identified as Elisabeth, there were also several TikTok and social media accounts with her name, but none of them have been verified, as most are run by people using her photos to impersonate her. Most of them re-upload videos from her YouTube channel to try and add validity, but some have caught the communities attention by leaving comments on Daniel's videos. But what is important to note is that '''none of these accounts were real''', as most of them have been created very recently and have no information to prove that they are the real, authentic Elisabeth.

When seeing an account claiming to be Elisabeth or any of Daniel's other family members, take it with a grain of salt, as it is mostly likely run by [[trolls]] or impersonators.

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:DannyElisabeth.png|Elisabeth and Danny boy.
File:DannyElisabeth2.png|Notice their lack of eyebrows.
File:Elisabeth1.png|Now it's clear where Daniel gets it from.
File:Elisabeth2.png|Her real parents have got to be siblings.
File:Elisabeth3.png|Mrs. Larson not long before she died.
File:Elisabeth4.png|Look at that double chin.
</gallery>

== See Also ==

* [[Family]]
* [[Travis Larson]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

==References==
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[[Category:Family]]

Bob Proctor

2025-06-17T09:13:09Z

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{{Contact|subject=Bob Proctor. Bob is an elderly man who is speculated to be dying from cancer. Contacting him will not produce anything useful}}{{Stub}}{{Credibility|reason= Most public information about Bob comes from Daniel, who is both severely mentally ill and a pathological liar.|subject=Daniel Larson}}{{Quote|Since you posted everything on social media. You figure it out with your fans. Nothing from me. Good luck Daniel and all of your social media haters.||author=Bob, to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/187km9a/message_from_bob/</ref>}}
{{Infobox|infoboxHeader=Robert Proctor|image=What Bob Proctor is suspected to look like.png|imageDesc=A picture of Bob, taken by Daniel.|name=Robert Proctor|Knownas=Bob, Fuck Ass Bob <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15wn91e/wrong_bob_danny_boy/</ref>|Alignment=Daniel's (Former) Friend|DOB=Unknown (70s, according to Daniel)|Gender=Male|Arcs=}}

'''Robert "Bob" Proctor''' is an elderly man and philanthropist, who is most notable for being one of the most important figures in [[Daniel Larson|Daniel Larson's]] life. Bob took on the impossible task of becoming Daniel's guardian and "mentor," an undertaking exposing him to the full force of Daniel's [[December 10th Incident|anger management issues]]. Bob is also known for being involved in some of the most infamous incidents in Daniel's life, most notably the [[December 10th Incident|December 10th incident]] and [[August 31st Incident]]. He also served as a convenient scapegoat to blame whenever Daniel needed one, as well as a player in Daniel's delusions, as trolls would constantly impersonate him to gain influence over him.

Bob has served as a patron for Daniel's music career, paying for the production of his most famous song, [[Music Career|"Roaring Thunder,"]] and encouraged his further musical endeavors. Even so, Daniel has done nothing but take his generosity for granted by frequently [[Big Dick Muscle Man Incident|getting into arguments with him]], [[August 31st Incident|assaulting him]], and wasting away the money that Bob gave him ([[Daniel Larson's health|at one point even buying a fleshlight with money Bob had given him to spend on essentials]]).

Bob is keenly aware of Daniel's social media activity and, consequently, has repeatedly requested Daniel not to film or record him, citing concerns about potential harassment from [[trolls|trolls.]] At one point, Bob even asked Daniel to refrain from using his phone altogether due to Daniel's irresponsible behavior on social media. Obviously, Daniel has not respected these wishes, once even getting into a physical altercation with Bob which ended up in the authorities having to be called.<ref>[[August 31st Incident]]</ref>

On Christmas 2023, Bob had ceased providing financial support to Daniel and was thought to have cut off Daniel permanently. However, during the wake of the [[Second Jail Arc]] it was revealed by [[Flexburger]] that Bob had come back into contact with Daniel, and every time Daniel mentioned him after Christmas 2023 was not a lie. Following Daniel's arrest on 30 April 2024 and his subsequent [[Second Jail Arc|incarceration]], Bob seemed to have occasional contact with Daniel over text messages; however, as of December 2024, it cannot be confirmed if such contact continued.

== Biography ==
[[File:Maryannproctor.png|left|thumb|303x303px|Bob's late wife, MaryAnn Proctor. ]]
Bob's childhood or any events that happened in his early life are unknown, and will most likely stay unknown for the foreseeable future.

It is unclear where Bob works. According to Daniel, Bob works, or at the very least ''has'' worked, in the medical field. While confirmation on his occupation is inconclusive, it can be inferred that from Bob's ability to sponsor Daniel the way he did, he most likely had a very high paying job. Daniel has also claimed that Bob has a bad reputation at his workplace due to their relationship.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYyp8Ech9E&list=PLYpqXVHE5P7CikTuzPzzIsmp8hQM7OViD&index=3</ref><ref>[[:File:BobMedicalField.png]]</ref>

However, it is known that Bob, as well as his wife, MaryAnn Proctor (March 31, 1954 - December 30, 2014),<ref>https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/wheat-ridge-co/maryann-proctor-6261164</ref> were outspoken philanthropists and frequently helped disabled people throughout their lifetimes. Bob is known to have spent over 20 years donating to the [[Tennyson Center]], and other charities for the disabled.<ref>https://www.tennysoncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/2016-Annual-Report.pdf</ref><ref>https://www.tennysoncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2021-Annual-Report.pdf</ref> Bob's wife, MaryAnn, was a known member of the West Chamber Youth Leadership, another nonprofit organization that helped young people. Bob also has two step-children, Jason and Jonathan Shroud. By the time Bob married MaryAnn, the two were already adults. It is unclear what relationship Bob shares with his children. But, it is safe to assume that he most likely does not play an active part in their lives. Jason is said to have served in the Iraq War.<ref>[[:File:BobsSonJason.png]]</ref><ref>[[:File:JasonIraqWar.png]]</ref>
[[File:BobBench.png|thumb|Bob, pictured near the bench dedicated to his late wife. ]]
In 2014, MaryAnn would unfortunately pass away whilst undergoing a angioplasty. Her funeral was held at the Green Mountain United Methodist Church.<ref>https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/wheat-ridge-co/maryann-proctor-6261164</ref> West Chamber would also raise money to dedicate a park bench to her at the Golden Hill Business Center and unveiled it June 22, 2015. Bob was pictured at this park bench.<ref>https://coloradocommunitymedia.com/2015/06/30/west-chamber-honors-mary-ann-proctor-with-memorial-bench/</ref>

Most likely through his connections as a frequent donor, Bob and Daniel met at the Tennyson Center through a program called "Reading Buddies." According to Daniel, the time he spent with Bob mainly consisted of playing boards games together and reading.<ref>[[Spiddlekick Interview]]</ref>

=== Poor Health, and Speculated Cancer ===
{{Quote|I don't want to die, but who knows. You and your social media don't want to believe the cancer either.|Bob, to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/181ljgp/exclusive_bob_doesnt_want_to_die/</ref>}}
[[File:Bob in his car.png|alt=Bob Proctor in his car with Daniel Larson.|thumb|Bob in his car.]]
It is speculated that Bob has cancer, although what type of cancer is unknown, and the validity of him having the illness at all is debated extensively. Daniel, in a YouTube comment, claims that Bob was, "...confirmed to not have cancer or if he did he is using that now as a way to manipulate". Daniel, like with many things, likes to go back and forth on whether Bobs cancer is true or not.

However, it should be noted that Daniel has a record of saying extremities and various ridiculous things to gain attention, but if this is true, it also confirms that for the majority of their interactions, Daniel has been harassing a man who is dying of cancer for money and various other items, which is utterly uncaring of his illness. <gallery>
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== Relationships ==

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

While not much is known about their relationship, Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer]], developed a friendship with Bob. It is theorized that Nancy and Bob could have had a romantic relationship; however, this claim is unsubstantiated and is most likely not true. Their friendship grew during the time Bob would play board games and spend so much time with Daniel such that when Nancy was on her inevitable deathbed due to cancer one of her last wishes was for Bob to take care of Daniel when she wasn't there. Being the bleeding heart liberal he was, Bob took on the responsibility to caring for Daniel, a burden that he could not carry.

It is also theorized that Nancy put Bob in charge of some sort of bank account or trust fund that she'd left Daniel after she passed. This is speculated as a reason why Bob did not leave Daniel almost immediately after his violent outbursts; although, this is most likely false until further confirmation.

=== Daniel ===
[[File:I Can Count The Pixels.png|thumb|Bob and Daniel at a Bowling Alley.]]
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Bob has been acquainted with Daniel since his formative years, and it is likely that he is the only genuine father figure Daniel has ever had, especially after Daniel's own [[Travis Larson|father]] disowned him due to his outbursts.

Daniel and Bob first came into contact through a reading buddy program at the [[Tennyson Center]], a facility Daniel went for schooling and living in his teens, during a time when he was still recovering from his parents' abuse. While living at the Tennyson Center (at the time of an ongoing custody battle), Daniel had the opportunity to attend a reading buddy program once a week. Daniel reports that he and Bob, ". . .really hit it off," enough that the Tennyson Center permitted them to have a relationship outside their program. Ever since their initial meeting, Bob became a "mentor" to Daniel; although, his abilities at mentoring Daniel are dubious to say the least. After Nancy's death, however, Bob formed more of a fatherly bond with Daniel. Having no biological children of his own and little to no association with his stepchildren, it is likely that Bob sees Daniel as something of a son.
[[File:BobRetirementDebt.png|left|thumb|A conversation between Daniel and Bob.]]
Despite his alleged profession in the medical field, Bob obviously has no idea how to handle a very mentally disturbed person such as Daniel. As mentioned in the [[Caretaker Call]] (even while considering its questionable validity), while Bob obviously has lots of care for Daniel, he has no idea how to deal with a person with as many [[Daniel Larson's health|mental issues]] as Daniel. This has, obviously, not been in his favor, because of Daniel's schizophrenia and autism, they have had many fights that have resulted in Bob having to call the police to deescalate the situation. However, one of the most notable incidents between them where they don't have any sort of physical altercation is the [[Big Dick Muscle Man Incident]] where Bob refers to American social media personality [[Jacob Sartorius]] as "Big Dick Muscle Man", in between Daniel arguing with Bob about the validity of his delusions, and, oddly, the size of his own penis.

Despite Bob’s issues with Daniel, he has continued to support him. After Daniel broke his phone during his [[Travel Arc|world tour]] in Texas, Bob bought Daniel a new one. However, Daniel has remained consistently ungrateful treating Bob as more of a paypig than a person. Bob has funded many of Daniels endeavors, most notably his career as a singer-songwriter, funding studio sessions to record songs such as [[Roaring Thunder]] and [[Something More]].

Prior to this, it was unknown as to how much money Bob was giving Daniel. On November 27th, it was revealed that Bob was giving Daniel nearly 1000 dollars per month, which left him in a position where he only had the income leftover in his retirement account, along with having to figure out how to live while on social security.

== Alleged Death ==
[[File:BobMemorial.png|thumb|400x400px|"May Robert rest peacefully now. He is survived by his son Jason Proctor and his friend Daniel Larson"]]
On December 11, 2023, a [[Trolls|troll]] pretending to be a nurse under the name Lucy commented in the community tab under Daniel's account that Bob had suffered a heart attack and died at 2:03 AM.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxWCZ-xKpqgjBCFzKzaHurtK4WZum8b-ym</ref> Daniel seemed to believe this for the most part. In his "grief", Daniel had also posted a memorial of Bob on his community tab.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-2xDheSLpYFUrqT2rz1_6w/community?lb=UgkxHMj-U_lM4GZtfX3tm3fQb6wRXWI4YQ4o</ref>
{{Quote|In memory of Robert proctor. We will always miss you. The impact you made in the world was loving and kind 💞 RIP godfather 💖😉}}
Despite this being the first instance of Daniel calling him a godfather, just like [[Nancy Shimer|his grandmother]], Daniel obviously did not care very much about the supposed passing of his friend. Bob, if anything, was nothing more than a wallet to Daniel, who was there to give him money and nothing more.

== False End ==
From late November 2023, Bob appeared to have finally cut off Daniel ''for good'', following years of abusive behavior from him, the driving influence behind his decision being his continuing lack of money, causing an inability to support Daniel any longer. However, the community would come to realize that [[Jail Arc 2|Bob had been speaking with Daniel all this time.]]

=== Christmas 2023 ===
''Main article: [[Christmas Day Meltdown]]''

Unsurprisingly, Daniel's [[The Golden Hotel Incident|antics]] would leave him on the streets for Christmas once again. On December 25, 2023, Daniel, "wishing to take bob out to dinner",<ref>[[Media:Christmas2023YTComments.png]]</ref> called a wellness check on Bob. The officer confirmed to Daniel that Bob was, in fact, still alive and not dead. <ref>https://archive.org/details/7316644773371120938</ref>

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Daniel tried to get Bob to talk to him in various ways, but as the night progressed it became clear that Bob would not give in. Daniel grew angrier at Bob, partially fueled with how cold it was and being forced on the streets after being trespassed from another motel. Daniel would continue to post many frantic videos that were quickly removed / deleted. The removal of the videos made archival more difficult.

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=== Fake Bob interaction ===

On December 26, 2023 Daniel falls for a troll pretending to be Bob in his YouTube community comments after the troll apologizes for everything. Most of the conversation is Daniel attempting to get "Bob" to call or text him as well as pleads for help. After many comments going back and forth and Daniel growing more frustrated, Daniel eventually caught on to something being wrong and deleted all of the threads.

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== Texts with Clark ==
As revealed by Flexburger in his video on Daniel, Clark, Daniel's manager at the time, had been in contact with Bob Proctor. Bob himself had thought that Clark was indeed a friend and a manager of Daniel, despite Clark admitting otherwise in the end. Not only this, but according to Clark, Bob had always been in contact with Daniel even with the Christmas Day Meltdown in mind; only cutting contact with Daniel to then try and take a break from him.

There is a likely chance that Bob is still in contact with Daniel even while he's in jail, showing that Bob will most likely never truly cut off Daniel unless he were to die or if another party stepped in.<gallery caption="Bob's texts with Clark">
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== External Links ==
{{Homeless Era}}{{Chronology}}

==References==
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Daniel and mental health

2025-06-16T11:54:33Z

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{{Quote|So, because of my autism, my grandmother passed away of cancer.|author=Daniel, at a [[Roe v. Wade Reversal Protest|Roe v. Wade protest]].}}

[[Daniel]] has a troubled relationship with '''mental healthcare''' and '''mental health professionals'''. He is very mentally ill, something even those who aren't well-averse in psychiatry can see clearly.

Daniel's delusions are downright dangerous, from thinking he is in a romantic relationship with celebrity [[Grace VanderWaal]], all the way to believing he is a world-famous [[Music|musician]] that is above the law. He is not the brightest candle on the cake, having a childlike mental capacity in comparison with his physical age. This is most apparent in his [[Tennyson Center]] interview, where during the interview, Daniel acts more like a 7-year-old despite being 14 at the time of recording.

As a result of his myriad of disorders, neglectful upbringing, enabling, his very poor intellect, inability to perform self-care, and poor handling of certain situations, Daniel fails to function as an adult. The disorders he is confirmed to have as of July 2024 are '''autism''', '''bipolar disorder''', '''PTSD''', and '''schizophrenia'''. Due to Daniel's hostile relationship with psychotherapy, there are most likely other conditions he suffers from that will remain undiagnosed for the foreseeable future.

== The Issue(s) with Daniel ==

=== Autism ===
Daniel is confirmed to be autistic by both his [[Elisabeth Shimer|mother]], and by Daniel himself. '''Autism''', formally classified as '''Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD)''', refers to a loosely defined, but interconnected, range of neurological challenges with social interaction and communication.

His naïveté, poorly developed social skills, and [[meltdowns]], are all common symptoms of ASD. Daniel has been speculated to have sensory issues, which is commonly seen among those with autism. This is evidenced by the fact that Daniel rarely, if ever, [[Hygiene|bathes]]. This has caused theories to form, speculating if Daniel may have hypersensitivity issues to bathing — meaning that he has an aversion to bathing due to the sensation and/or texture of it on his skin.

As seen in the [[KWGN Tennyson Center News Report|news report on the Tennyson Center]], Daniel can be viewed "stimming" and fidgeting repeatedly with his hands, which is defined as, “repetitive movements or noises. Stimming seems to help some autistic children and teenagers manage emotions and cope with overwhelming situations."<ref>[https://raisingchildren.net.au/autism/behaviour/common-concerns/stimming-asd#:~:text=Stimming%20is%20repetitive%20movements%20or,replacing%20it%20with%20safer%20behaviour. https://raisingchildren.net.au/autism/behaviour/common-concerns/stimming-asd#:~:text=Stimming%20is%20repetitive%20movements%20or,replacing%20it%20with%20safer%20behaviour.]</ref>

Another, much more dangerous, symptom of autism is [[Self Harm|self harm]]. Daniel can be seen in several meltdowns hitting himself, punching holes in walls, screaming, wailing, and slamming his head into his hands. This may be his version of saying that he does not like what is going on around him, as that is a common reason people with autism self-harm this way.<ref name=":0">https://autism.org/causes-and-interventions-for-self-injury-in-autism/</ref> Even though this is often a way for people with autism to signal things, it has also been speculated that Daniel does this to simply garner sympathy. Self harming is, oftentimes, a learned behavior, and Daniel may have self harmed this way when he was younger to get the attention he wants.<ref name=":0" />

Contrary to popular beliefs, autism does not necessarily make someone automatically smart, nor does it increase someone's IQ (unlike the much more appropriate "Savant syndrome"). In fact, around 60-70% of all autistic person have <90 IQ and only 5% of autistic people have greater-than average IQ. It is possible that Daniel Larson is between the mid to low functioning autism. However, he most likely does not have high functioning autism, as many who are live typically normal adult lives without needing any help.

Interestingly, there is a strong link between mothers with lupus, specifically systemic lupus erythematosus, giving birth to children with autism.<ref>https://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-moms-lupus-children-autism.html</ref> Daniels [[Elisabeth Shimer|mother]] suffers from lupus, so much so that she would eventually be left wheelchair-bound due to it. While unknown, it is likely that Daniel may have inherited his autism from this.

Despite saying that he has an autism diagnosis, Daniel appears to be in denial of it. He has stated multiple times that his diagnosis is false, that "autism doesn't exist."{{Citation Needed}}or that he has a different disorder that is not autism.<ref>[[Rooftop Interview]]</ref>

=== Bipolar disorder ===
'''Bipolar disorder''' is a mental disorder characterized by rapid and extreme mood swings, characterized by periods of depression, abnormal elation, and sometimes psychosis.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder</ref> While not mentioned by Daniel, his mother has confirmed that he is diagnosed with it.

Daniel is most likely diagnosed with Bipolar I, a more severe subtype of the disorder which presents with full-blown mania (in contrast to the milder hypomania in II) and often psychosis, a mental state which Daniel exhibits many classic symptoms of. Another major driving force behind Daniel's [[meltdowns]] is his bipolar, as in multiple of them, he is seen exhibiting psychotic behaviors. As an example, during the [[Likee Meltdown]], Daniel repeatedly threatened to commit suicide, as well as self-harming, if he was not given information on the status of [[Grace VanderWaal]] and her family.

=== PTSD ===
'''Post-traumatic stress disorder''', or '''PTSD''', is a mental health condition that's triggered by a terrifying event — either experiencing it or witnessing it. Symptoms may include flashbacks, nightmares and severe anxiety, as well as uncontrollable thoughts about the event.<ref>[https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20355967#:~:text=Post%2Dtraumatic%20stress%20disorder%20(PTSD)%20is%20a%20mental%20health,uncontrollable%20thoughts%20about%20the%20event. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20355967#:~:text=Post%2Dtraumatic%20stress%20disorder%20(PTSD)%20is%20a%20mental%20health,uncontrollable%20thoughts%20about%20the%20event.]</ref>

In the [[Spiddlekick Interview]], Daniel says that he is more of the belief that he has PTSD over autism. It is unknown why he thinks this, but a docket report from the [[Jail Arc]] substantiates this diagnosis. It is called into question what caused his PTSD, whether it be alleged claims of physical, mental and/or sexual abuse from his childhood, or a completely different event entirely.

=== Schizophrenia ===
[[File:DiagnosisApril13.png|thumb|"Delusional ideas"]]

'''Schizophrenia''' is a mental disorder characterized by episodes of psychosis, hallucinations, disorganized thinking, and [[delusions]].<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia</ref> His mother has confirmed him having schizophrenia, just like many other of his mental disorders, as well as the fact Daniel has frequently taken [https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-155134/latuda-oral/details Latuda], a schizophrenia medication. He often shows delusions, believing himself to be in a relationship with several celebrities, believing himself to be in contention with [[Jacob Sartorius]], and most notably, believing himself to be a [[Daniel and reality|celebrity]]. Daniel has also had episodes of psychosis, believing himself to be watched or being shot at.

In reference to delusions, Daniel is known to have delusions of grandeur, as well as delusions of persecution. For example, Daniel, at one point, believed himself to be followed by several white vans to a point where he stowed away in a gas station out of fear of being hurt. During the [[UCLA Arc]], Daniel was under the impression that the Chinese government was watching him, after a troll pretending to be a student mentioned having talked to the government. Furthermore, he thought himself to have been poisoned by staff after eating a [[Red Robin Poisoning|Red Robin]]. After being released from the hospital, his discharge papers described him as having "delusional ideas".

=== Daniel's refusal to accept help ===
The one mental failing that debilitates Daniel the most is his downright refusal to adapt to his environment and accept help when he needs it. This stubbornness, more than anything else, is what makes him so frustrating to watch. While Daniel has expressed several times that he desires help for his several problems, he always refuses it when it does not align with his delusions. During a conversation with his manager [[Ox]], when he was informed that every time he spoke to "Grace" he was speaking to a troll, he seemed to only acknowledge it in order to get Ox to stop talking to him. Daniel complains multiple times about not receiving help, even though he has received multiple items such as changes of clothes and hygiene products (which he often throws away), as well as large amounts of money, all because of the hospitality of others.

Despite being told multiple times by multiple people to buy more affordable meals so he would not have to deal with the consequences of [[dine and dashes]], Daniel refused and continued to buy food wildly out of his price range, suffering [[Daniel and the Law|legal consequences]] due to defrauding restaurants he went to.

It is very obvious that Daniel values his [[delusions]] over his own well=being, because if he actually chose to accept the help of others, and follow the rules of establishments and places he stays at, he would have been in housing a very long time ago, or even more, not [[Homeless Era|homeless]] at all.

== History of professional help ==

=== Tennyson Center ===
[[Spiddlekick Interview|As noted]], Daniel was regularly medicated during his time attending school at and living at the [[Tennyson Center]]. He claimed that once a month, students would meet with a doctor to prescribe and check on the effects of medication supplied to them. Given Daniel's documented violence, both [[November 6th Arrest|then]] and [[April 6th Incident|now]], it is likely that he was put on some type of antipsychotic by the center.

=== Sobesky Academy ===
It is not confirmed if Daniel was medicated during his high school's years. However, according to a [[FlyingFoxandwings AMA|classmate]] of Daniel's, they state that it was highly speculated and very likely that he was medicated, considering that Daniel was very reserved and was rarely violent to others, and only occasionally [[Self Harm|to himself]].

=== Therapists ===
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=== Psychiatric Wards ===
While the quality of "help" can be debated, Daniel is no stranger to stays at psychiatric hospitals. During the conclusion of the [[Dog Arc]], Daniel was put into a psych ward following him having a [[The 7/11 Incident|meltdown in a Walmart]], as well as calling the police multiple times to "get his situation heard." While it is unknown if he was truly given medication, a voice note that surfaced during his stay depicts a very medicated sounding Daniel. It is most likely that he was given antipsychotics during his week-long stay.

After threatening people with fireworks, Daniel was put into a mental hospital which he has described as "A living hell", where he was given Latuda, a medication used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u6AothG63B4</ref>

After being found incompetent for trial on 19 July 2024 during the [[Second Jail Arc]], he was sent to a psychiatric institution. It is unknown when he was released from this institution, as he was back in FCI Englewood before being transferred to several facilities in Oklahoma. Afterwards, he was transferred and then institutionalized at MCFP Springfield for competency restoration. As of 1 January 2025, Daniel is still institutionalized at MCFP Springfield.

== See Also ==

* [[Daniel and health|Daniel and Health]]
* [[Daniel and Nutrition]]
* [[Psychiatric Hospital]]

== References ==

[[Category:Daniel]]

August 31st Incident

2025-06-16T11:20:59Z

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{{Quote|HE HURT ME! HE FUCKING HURT MEEEEEEE|author=Daniel, after his altercation with Bob}}
[[File:Danielgetsrunover.png|thumb|Motel footage of Daniel getting run over! The audacity of Bob.]]
On '''August 31, 2023,''' [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]] and [[Bob Proctor]] were involved in a physical altercation while in Bob's car following a verbal argument which resulted after Bob asked Daniel to not use his phone whilst in his presence. This later resulted in an interaction with the police, and Daniel claiming that Bob "ran him over" with his car.

== The Incident ==
The video starts with Daniel arguing with Bob after Bob told him that he did not want Daniel to use his phone in his presence, which is most likely due to the many overwhelming issues that come from it. Daniel then claims it is his legal right to bring his phone to dinner after Bob told him to not bring his phone inside, just before (ironically) calling Bob crazy, before commenting that Bob is "never helpful anymore" and always "causes issues".

Following this, Bob calmly asks Daniel to turn off his phone and put it in the car's console, to which Daniel replies that he will not be doing so, and will be perfectly happy to keep his phone on his person while turned off. Because of Daniel being upset with Bob asking him to put away his phone, Daniel states his reasoning for filming, claiming it is for his own protection, before commenting that the situation was "ridiculous" and that Bob is "so stubborn".

Daniel asks Bob if he will take him to dinner, guilt-tripping him with the prospect of Daniel starving if they didn't up going out. Bob, clearly having enough of Daniel, raises his voice and asks Daniel to get out of his car, while Daniel refuses. This escalates to a point where Bob starts yelling at Daniel to "Get the fuck out of my car!", causing Daniel to assault Bob. Bob presumably grabs Daniel by his arm, while Daniel yells back at him to not grab him, with Bob replying via threatening to break his arm. Daniel shrieks, "If you break my arm-", yelling out expletives and asking Bob to let go of him. This is following by him then exclaiming, "Holy fuck, where did my phone go!?" after his phone presumably fell into a crevice between his seat, although this is unknown.
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Daniel and Bob then begin hitting each other, causing Bob, to again, yell for Daniel to get out of his car while Daniel shrieks and yells that he has a right to defend himself. Bob continues to reiterate this while Daniel searches for his phone, before Daniel finds it again. The video ends with Bob pushing Daniel out of his car, then speeding off. Daniel also starts to yell that Bob had run over him. Some people believe that Bob might've run over Daniel's toes in his haste to leave. However, Daniel is an unreliable narrator, so we cannot be certain about this. Dan violently swears and yells slurs, most notably the n-word, at Bob shortly before the camera turns off and the video ends.

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[camera shows the coin pocket in the car door]

Daniel: So I wasn't going to film, but since YOU have a problem with me bringing my phone in the car, okay? Now I'm going to film because that's my legal right. OK? So, you're causing this issue to yourself. You are literally causing this issue to yourself, and I guess I will go without fucking dinner now, because you have a problem with me even bringing my phone with me... which is my fucking legal right. You are crazy. You are never helpful anymore. All you do is cause issues. You told me not to be on the phone in the car, I wasn't.

Bob: I said, turn off your phone and put it in the console, and you said yes.

Daniel: I'm not gonna put in the console, but I will be more than happy to stay off my phone and turn it off. You had a problem with me, like literally having it on my seat. the phone was literally turned off, OK? I just turned it on to film this because you had a problem with that. I'm now filming for my protection. This is ridiculous. You are so stubborn, like I was saying before. So, are we going to get dinner? Or are you taking me back to the motel and I'm just gonna not have anything for dinner, and I'm not gonna eat today at all. And I guess I'll starve tonight. So what is it?

Bob: *raises voice a bit* Get out.

Daniel: I'm not gonna do it. Because I had my phone-

Bob: *yells even louder* '''GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY CAR!!!''' (grabs Daniel, things begin to get aggressive) *through gritted teeth* GOD DAMN YOU!

Daniel: Ok, don't fucking grab me!

Bob: Want me to break your fucking arm?!

Daniel: If you break my arm...

[camera goes black]

Bob: Then get the fuck out of my car!

Daniel: Okay, then let go of me fucker! (things escalate, phone falls off seat) If you fucking hit me nigger! Holy fuck, where did my phone go?! Where did my fucking phone go?! Oh, you are hitting me!

Bob: You're hitting me! God, Daniel!

Daniel: *yelling* You hit me first bitch!!

Bob: Get out of my car!

Daniel: You hit me first! I'm not playing these games with you! Holy fucking hell, bitch! Don't grab me like that! Don't fucking grab me!

Bob: Quit hitting me!

Daniel: *screaming* YOU HIT ME! You hit-

Bob: No! You hit me repeatedly! Don't-

Daniel: Then let go of me!

Bob: Get out of my car!

Daniel: FUCKER!

(Bob and Daniel are still fighting)

Bob: Quit hitting me!

Daniel: YOU HIT ME SO I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MYSELF!!

Bob: GET OUT OF MY CAR! GET OUT OF MY CAR!

Daniel: FUCKER!!

(things stop)

Bob: Get out of my car!

Daniel: NOW WHERE'S MY PHONE BITCH!?!

Bob: Get u- open then door and you'll find it! Get out of my car!!

(Daniel starts attacking Bob again)

Bob: OWW!! God damn you! I'm gonna call the cops now!

Daniel: No, because you hit me!

Bob: Get the hell out of my car!

Daniel: You hi- you hit me!! Fucker!! Now where did it go!?! Fucker! (heavy breathing)

Bob: You better find it!

Daniel: (hits himself five times, voice becomes weak) Where did it go? Where did the fuck did it go? Where the fuck did it go?

[Daniel retrieves his phone, still heavily breathing]

Daniel: OWW! FUCKIN'!

Bob: GET AWAY FROM MY CAR!! (drives off)

Daniel: HOLY FUCKING HELL!!! YOU RAN OVER ME!! FUCKER!! FUCKER N****R!! YOU FUCKING RAN OVER ME FUCKER!!!

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== Aftermath ==
Following this, he makes a community post where he says that he's going to be calling 911. Not long after, Daniel would film another video having a meltdown. In this video, Daniel is seen punching and kicking the walls, along with slamming his head into them, all occurring at the motel he was staying at, whilst sobbing and breathing very heavily, reiterating "Bob just ran me over with his fucking car" while calling Bob a bitch, and the n-word once more, while continuing to hit things.
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[Daniel is in the motel, visibly distressed, heavily breathing and whining, pacing around the motel room]

Daniel: *crying, moaning while doing the Angry Tongue* Bob... Bob just ran me over with his fucking car. Bob just fucking ran me over with his fucking car! (hits a wall) Bob just ran me over with his car! (kicks another wall) Bob just ran me over! Bob just ran me over! Bob just ran me over with his car! My fucking foot hurts (grunts, makes weird vocalizations as he kicks the bathroom walls twice, bashes his head into the wall, then sobbing) Bob just ran me over with his car! Bob just ran me over with car! Fucking bitch! (whines as he bashes his head into the doorframe, still sobbing) Bob just ran me over, fucker! (Angry Tongue, punches the wall once more) Fucking bitch n****r! Fucking bitch! Bob is a bitch! Bob is a bitch! Bob is a bitch! (sobs) He hurt me! He fucking hurt me! (cries)

{{collapse bottom}}After this, Daniel would make more posts to his community tab wherein he claimed Bob had run him over with his car and that he was terrified of him, how he wanted justice, and that he was currently filing a restraining order against Bob. This was followed up by more posts of Daniel claiming that he was going back to the same mental hospital that had put him on medication, presumably the one he was sent to during the aftermath of the Dog Arc, that he only hit Bob back in self-defense, and how he only wished for peace and "everything to be ok". Daniel also claims that his "rights were violated by Bob", although exactly how is not explained.

A few minutes after, Daniel says that police are on his way, and additionally stating that "a person who would care would never run me over with their car". After this, the community posts stop as the police eventually arrive to the motel.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoOEwaKOkRk&t=228s</ref> <gallery>
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December 10th Incident

2025-06-16T11:12:48Z

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The '''December 10th Incident''' was a significant [[Incidents|incident]] on December 10th, 2022, wherein [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]] had a '''[[Meltdowns|meltdown]]''' in [[Bob Proctor|Bob Proctors]] car whilst livestreaming on TikTok. This occurred on the TikTok account @daniellarson62. The incident is widely considered to be the most infamous of Daniel's meltdowns, due to him battering an elderly Bob, who was essentially the last person that genuinely cared about Daniel. The meltdown was triggered by trolls impersonating the motel on the phone, who threatened to kill Daniel if he returned.

The incident would include physical violence, with Daniel hitting himself to a point of bleeding. Daniel hit his mentor [[Bob Proctor|Bob]], who subsequently called the police. Compared to many other incidents, this is the most infamous one in the Daniel Larson community, being the turning point for many when it came to dictating if Daniel truly was a good person or not, due to the elder abuse he exhibits during this incident. This is the only incident involving a meltdown where Daniel does not swear.

==Background==
[[File:IDestroyedproperty.jpg|thumb|Daniel claiming to have destroyed property on the YouTube community tab.]]
Daniel would begin posting on his YouTube community tab, saying things such as that he lost his care services, was now financially responsible for everything, and more. It has been speculated that the following may have happened:

* Daniel was kicked out of the motel he was staying at due to destruction of property such as microwaves, windows, and other property.
* Daniel's motel information was leaked. leading to, [[trolls]] calling the motel and complaining about Daniel, to which the motel responded by sending the manager to talk to Daniel about it.

Daniel claimed to have received calls from the motel, stating that if Daniel attempted to come back, they would kill him (most notably with firearms). This was obviously from [[trolls]], however, Daniel took this at face value, believing every single word. Daniel would then go to Bob's vehicle, beginning to have a meltdown.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/zi45zu/summary_of_december_10th_incident_for_those/</ref>[[File:Dec10Tab.jpg|thumb|More questionable posts.|509x509px]]
Daniel proceeded to go live on TikTok following a brief YouTube livestream. The live consists of Daniel crying and repeatedly yelling, "The motel threatened to kill me!" Daniel can be seen holding a bloody napkin, the result of a [[Daniel Larson's Nose|nose]] bleed. Throughout the video, Daniel keeps asking Bob for help. Bob, overwhelmed with Daniel's meltdown, yelled at Daniel to get out of his car. Daniel starts punching himself repeatedly, followed by assaulting Bob, subsequently accusing Bob of hitting him and, "breaking his arm", after defending defending himself from Daniel. Bob responds angrily, claiming that Daniel was the one who beat him and he, "didn't break his fucking arm".

After this, Bob threatened to call the police, Daniel responding by hitting him. After this assault, Bob proceeded to call the police. While Bob is talking to the 911 Operator, Daniel yells that ''he'' needs help and that, "they," referring to either Bob or the motel, supposedly had a gun.

After this, It seems that the TikTok account the video was posted on was banned shortly after the incident.

=== Aftermath ===
After, Daniel went live on YouTube while in an ambulance.[citation needed] He ends up completely lying to the EMT in the ambulance, telling them that the motel called him and threatened to kill him with a gun.

Hours later, Daniel would post on YouTube community posts that Bob was going to, "...put his music career on hold for a few weeks." He also said that Bob bought him a plane ticket to [[California]]. This would immediately be confirmed by a picture of him at Colorado Springs Airport, as well as a picture of him going through airport security. [[File:Weneedhelpcurrently.jpg|alt=A YouTube comment. User "MeatyMen42" posts a comment saying "How about you stop hitting him" which Daniel replies "Listen I fucked up. I should have never touched bob but the truth is we need help" to which "MeatyMen42" replies: "@Daniel Larson No. WE don't need help Daniel. YOU need help. Why are you abusing the one and only person who actually cares for you? It's about time you take accountability for your actions."|thumb|Daniel responds to a fan regarding the incident. WE all collectively need help apparently.|left|215x215px]]

Daniel was flown to Los Angeles on a Southwest flight.

This was considered by many in the community to be the most significant Daniel incident in 2022, and possibly even in all of his history. This ended up being extremely controversial as he physically attacked Bob for no reason. Many were furious at Daniel, saying that this is the most obvious example yet of his gaslighting. Many had also stated that this is a prime example of his mental illness and delusion, as he clearly believed that the motel was actually threatening him. His meltdown was a clear example of Daniel's poor processing of emotions, which could be from his autism, or a different [[Daniel and mental health|mental illness]] he exhibits.

Even though he was assaulted, Bob never pressed charges against Daniel for this incident. Most importantly, it was also speculated at the time, that Daniel was sent to Los Angeles due to the [[wikipedia:Lanterman–Petris–Short_Act#5150_hold|5150]] law in California, which allows an individual to be placed in a psychiatric facility if they are a danger to themselves or others. This would have applied to Daniel as he had assaulted Bob, however nothing ever came of this.

== Video ==

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== Transcript ==

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[Daniel is in Bob's car having a meltdown. His voice is noticeably high-pitched.]

Daniel: (high-pitched whine)

Bob: ...my car! Get out of my car, Daniel!

Daniel: Noooo, nooooo! Noooo!!!

Bob: Get the hell out of my car!! (a physical altercation starts) God DAMN! (Daniel moans and sobs) Get out of my car!

Daniel: No! You don't understand!!

Bob: GET OUT OF MY CAR!!

Daniel: You don't understand, n- STOP!!!

Bob: Get out of my car!

Daniel: It's not my fault!! It's not my fault, the..

Bob: Get out of my car!

Daniel: The motel!

Bob: Get out of my car.

Daniel: The motel, the motel just threatened to kill me!

Bob: Get out of my car.

Daniel: STOP! The 'stutters' the motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me!

Bob: Get out of my car, Daniel.

Daniel: The motel threatened to kill me!

Bob: Get out of my car.

Daniel: No! (hits his head a few times)

Bob: Get out of my car Daniel.

Daniel: No! I'm not going to! I'm not going to, I'm bleeding! (moans)

Bob: Yeah, you're bleeding 'cause you're hitting yourself!

Daniel: But you don't-

Bob: You gotta get help.

Daniel: The m...

Bob: I've got to get help, I've got to call the police.

Daniel: No! I'm bleeding all over me!

Bob: I've gotta call the police.

Daniel: NO, THE MOTEL THREATENED TO KILL ME! THE MOTEL THREATENED TO KILL ME!

Bob: I've gotta call the police, I've gotta get you out of here. (Daniel sobs, hits his head some more) Yep, you've gotta get out of my car.

Daniel: *sobs* The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me, the motel threatened to kill me!

Bob: And you're trying to kill me!

Daniel: *moans* The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me!

[Daniel attacks Bob]

Bob: DANIEL!!!!

Daniel: The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me! (cries) The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me!

Bob: I've gotta get the police here to get you outta here!

Daniel: The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me! (hits himself once, moans) The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me!

Bob: Get out of my car!

Daniel: No, you don't under- I need help! The motel threatened to kill me!

Bob: Get out of my car!

Daniel: The motel threatened to kill me! *hyperventilates* The motel threatened to kill me!

Bob: This is your last chance to get out of my car.

Daniel: No!

Bob: This is your last chance. (Daniel hits himself some more) Then I'm gonna call the police, I told them you're beating me.

Daniel: No, the motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me!

Bob: I told them you're beating me.

Daniel: No, you hit me! You broke my arm!

Bob: I didn't break your fuckin' arm!

Daniel: YOU GRABBED ME! (long, loud moaning scream)

Bob: Yeah, because you were beatin' me!! I'm sure this is what you want! I'm calling the police!

(Daniel attacks Bob again)

Bob: No! OWW! OWW! OWW! (Daniel gets up, still crying) Okay...

Daniel: No, you're not helping me! You're not helping!

Bob: You're hitting me!

Daniel: Well, you're not helping me! The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me!

(Bob calls 911)

Daniel: The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me! (sobs and hyperventilates)

Bob (on the phone): I have a person here in my car, uhh, beating me. He's a friend of mine, but he's gone crazy and he's beating me, and I need help.

Daniel: No, I need help! (sobs more)

Bob: Where are, we are in the parking lot of the Harkins Theater in Arvada.

Daniel: The motel threatened to kill me! The motel threatened to kill me over the phone call!

Bob: 50, um.. I'm not sure of the address, it's um... 5550 Olde Wadsworth Boulevard...

Daniel: THE MOTEL THREATENED TO KILL ME!!!

Bob: He's Daniel Larson. (Daniel sobs more, Bob is unintelligble) I'm trying to get him out of the car, but I can't and he's hitting me and he's threatening me.

Daniel: No!

Bob: And he's just gone crazy. In the Harkins Theater parking lot.

Daniel: The motel threatened to kill me! You don't listen to me! You don't listen to me, the motel threatened to kill me! They said they have a gun! (sobs)

Bob: Yeah.

Daniel: (sobs) Aaaaah!

Bob: Yes. (to Daniel) Don't do that. (to operator) Robert Proctor.

(Daniel blows his nose, and sobs)

Bob: He's hitting himself, and me.

Daniel: (moans) You don't listen to me! (sobs)

Bob: We've been friends for a long time, but he has some mental problems and, that's the only thing.

Daniel: I'm bleeding all over me!

Bob: (unintelligble) that they're gonna kill him.

(Daniel hits himself some more)

Bob: Yes, he does. (Daniel sobs) most of the time. (unintelligible) gonna break his arm. Dan, Daniel Larson (Daniel blows his nose)

Daniel: The motel threatened to kill me if I go back to the motel! They said they had a gun!

Bob: November 15, 1998 I think.

(Daniel blows his nose, the camera shifts around)

Daniel: They threatened me with a gun! Stop! You're not listening to me! (moans)

Bob: (unintelligble as Daniel sobs)

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==References==
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Bob Proctor

2025-06-16T11:06:42Z

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*Most public information about Bob comes from Daniel, who is both severely mentally ill and a pathological liar.|subject=Daniel Larson}}{{Quote|Since you posted everything on social media. You figure it out with your fans. Nothing from me. Good luck Daniel and all of your social media haters.||author=Bob, to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/187km9a/message_from_bob/</ref>}}
{{Infobox|infoboxHeader=Robert Proctor|image=What Bob Proctor is suspected to look like.png|imageDesc=A picture of Bob, taken by Daniel.|name=Robert Proctor|Knownas=Bob, Fuck Ass Bob <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15wn91e/wrong_bob_danny_boy/</ref>|Alignment=Daniel's (Former) Friend|DOB=Unknown (70s, according to Daniel)|Gender=Male|Arcs=}}

'''Robert "Bob" Proctor''' is an elderly man and philanthropist, who is most notable for being one of the most important figures in [[Daniel Larson|Daniel Larson's]] life. Bob took on the impossible task of becoming Daniel's guardian and "mentor," an undertaking exposing him to the full force of Daniel's [[December 10th Incident|anger management issues]]. Bob is also known for being involved in some of the most infamous incidents in Daniel's life, most notably the [[December 10th Incident|December 10th incident]] and [[August 31st Incident]]. He also served as a convenient scapegoat to blame whenever Daniel needed one, as well as a player in Daniel's delusions, as trolls would constantly impersonate him to gain influence over him.

Bob has served as a patron for Daniel's music career, paying for the production of his most famous song, [[Music Career|"Roaring Thunder,"]] and encouraged his further musical endeavors. Even so, Daniel has done nothing but take his generosity for granted by frequently [[Big Dick Muscle Man Incident|getting into arguments with him]], [[August 31st Incident|assaulting him]], and wasting away the money that Bob gave him ([[Daniel Larson's health|at one point even buying a fleshlight with money Bob had given him to spend on essentials]]).

Bob is keenly aware of Daniel's social media activity and, consequently, has repeatedly requested Daniel not to film or record him, citing concerns about potential harassment from [[trolls|trolls.]] At one point, Bob even asked Daniel to refrain from using his phone altogether due to Daniel's irresponsible behavior on social media. Obviously, Daniel has not respected these wishes, once even getting into a physical altercation with Bob which ended up in the authorities having to be called.<ref>[[August 31st Incident]]</ref>

On Christmas 2023, Bob had ceased providing financial support to Daniel and was thought to have cut off Daniel permanently. However, during the wake of the [[Second Jail Arc]] it was revealed by [[Flexburger]] that Bob had come back into contact with Daniel, and every time Daniel mentioned him after Christmas 2023 was not a lie. Following Daniel's arrest on 30 April 2024 and his subsequent [[Second Jail Arc|incarceration]], Bob seemed to have occasional contact with Daniel over text messages; however, as of December 2024, it cannot be confirmed if such contact continued.

== Biography ==
[[File:Maryannproctor.png|left|thumb|303x303px|Bob's late wife, MaryAnn Proctor. ]]
Bob's childhood or any events that happened in his early life are unknown, and will most likely stay unknown for the foreseeable future.

It is unclear where Bob works. According to Daniel, Bob works, or at the very least ''has'' worked, in the medical field. While confirmation on his occupation is inconclusive, it can be inferred that from Bob's ability to sponsor Daniel the way he did, he most likely had a very high paying job. Daniel has also claimed that Bob has a bad reputation at his workplace due to their relationship.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYyp8Ech9E&list=PLYpqXVHE5P7CikTuzPzzIsmp8hQM7OViD&index=3</ref><ref>[[:File:BobMedicalField.png]]</ref>

However, it is known that Bob, as well as his wife, MaryAnn Proctor (March 31, 1954 - December 30, 2014),<ref>https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/wheat-ridge-co/maryann-proctor-6261164</ref> were outspoken philanthropists and frequently helped disabled people throughout their lifetimes. Bob is known to have spent over 20 years donating to the [[Tennyson Center]], and other charities for the disabled.<ref>https://www.tennysoncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/2016-Annual-Report.pdf</ref><ref>https://www.tennysoncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2021-Annual-Report.pdf</ref> Bob's wife, MaryAnn, was a known member of the West Chamber Youth Leadership, another nonprofit organization that helped young people. Bob also has two step-children, Jason and Jonathan Shroud. By the time Bob married MaryAnn, the two were already adults. It is unclear what relationship Bob shares with his children. But, it is safe to assume that he most likely does not play an active part in their lives. Jason is said to have served in the Iraq War.<ref>[[:File:BobsSonJason.png]]</ref><ref>[[:File:JasonIraqWar.png]]</ref>
[[File:BobBench.png|thumb|Bob, pictured near the bench dedicated to his late wife. ]]
In 2014, MaryAnn would unfortunately pass away whilst undergoing a angioplasty. Her funeral was held at the Green Mountain United Methodist Church.<ref>https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/wheat-ridge-co/maryann-proctor-6261164</ref> West Chamber would also raise money to dedicate a park bench to her at the Golden Hill Business Center and unveiled it June 22, 2015. Bob was pictured at this park bench.<ref>https://coloradocommunitymedia.com/2015/06/30/west-chamber-honors-mary-ann-proctor-with-memorial-bench/</ref>

Most likely through his connections as a frequent donor, Bob and Daniel met at the Tennyson Center through a program called "Reading Buddies." According to Daniel, the time he spent with Bob mainly consisted of playing boards games together and reading.<ref>[[Spiddlekick Interview]]</ref>

=== Poor Health, and Speculated Cancer ===
{{Quote|I don't want to die, but who knows. You and your social media don't want to believe the cancer either.|Bob, to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/181ljgp/exclusive_bob_doesnt_want_to_die/</ref>}}
[[File:Bob in his car.png|alt=Bob Proctor in his car with Daniel Larson.|thumb|Bob in his car.]]
It is speculated that Bob has cancer, although what type of cancer is unknown, and the validity of him having the illness at all is debated extensively. Daniel, in a YouTube comment, claims that Bob was, "...confirmed to not have cancer or if he did he is using that now as a way to manipulate". Daniel, like with many things, likes to go back and forth on whether Bobs cancer is true or not.

However, it should be noted that Daniel has a record of saying extremities and various ridiculous things to gain attention, but if this is true, it also confirms that for the majority of their interactions, Daniel has been harassing a man who is dying of cancer for money and various other items, which is utterly uncaring of his illness. <gallery>
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== Relationships ==

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

While not much is known about their relationship, Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer]], developed a friendship with Bob. It is theorized that Nancy and Bob could have had a romantic relationship; however, this claim is unsubstantiated and is most likely not true. Their friendship grew during the time Bob would play board games and spend so much time with Daniel such that when Nancy was on her inevitable deathbed due to cancer one of her last wishes was for Bob to take care of Daniel when she wasn't there. Being the bleeding heart liberal he was, Bob took on the responsibility to caring for Daniel, a burden that he could not carry.

It is also theorized that Nancy put Bob in charge of some sort of bank account or trust fund that she'd left Daniel after she passed. This is speculated as a reason why Bob did not leave Daniel almost immediately after his violent outbursts; although, this is most likely false until further confirmation.

=== Daniel ===
[[File:I Can Count The Pixels.png|thumb|Bob and Daniel at a Bowling Alley.]]
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Bob has been acquainted with Daniel since his formative years, and it is likely that he is the only genuine father figure Daniel has ever had, especially after Daniel's own [[Travis Larson|father]] disowned him due to his outbursts.

Daniel and Bob first came into contact through a reading buddy program at the [[Tennyson Center]], a facility Daniel went for schooling and living in his teens, during a time when he was still recovering from his parents' abuse. While living at the Tennyson Center (at the time of an ongoing custody battle), Daniel had the opportunity to attend a reading buddy program once a week. Daniel reports that he and Bob, ". . .really hit it off," enough that the Tennyson Center permitted them to have a relationship outside their program. Ever since their initial meeting, Bob became a "mentor" to Daniel; although, his abilities at mentoring Daniel are debatable. After Nancy's death, however, Bob formed more of a fatherly bond with Daniel. Having no biological children of his own and little to no association with his stepchildren, it is likely that Bob sees Daniel as something of a son.
[[File:BobRetirementDebt.png|left|thumb|A conversation between Daniel and Bob.]]
Despite his alleged profession in the medical field, Bob obviously has no idea how to handle a very mentally disturbed person such as Daniel. As mentioned in the [[Caretaker Call]] (even while considering its questionable validity), while Bob obviously has lots of care for Daniel, he has no idea how to care for a person with as many [[Daniel Larson's health|mental issues]] as Daniel. This has, obviously, not been in his favor, because of Daniel's schizophrenia and autism, they have had many fights that have resulted in Bob having to call the police to deescalate the situation. However, one of the most notable incidents between them where they don't have any sort of physical altercation is the [[Big Dick Muscle Man Incident]] where Bob refers to American social media personality [[Jacob Sartorius]] as "Big Dick Muscle Man", in between Daniel arguing with Bob about the validity of his delusions, and, oddly, the size of his own penis.

Despite Bob’s issues with Daniel, he has continued to support him. After Daniel broke his phone during his [[Travel Arc|world tour]] in Texas, Bob bought Daniel a new one. However, Daniel has remained consistently ungrateful treating Bob as more of a paypig than a person. Bob has funded many of Daniels endeavors, most notably his career as a singer-songwriter, funding studio sessions to record songs such as [[Roaring Thunder]] and [[Something More]].

Prior to this, it was unknown as to how much money Bob was giving Daniel. On November 27th, it was revealed that Bob was giving Daniel nearly 1000 dollars per month, which left him in a position where he only had the income leftover in his retirement account, along with having to figure out how to live while on social security.

== Alleged Death ==
[[File:BobMemorial.png|thumb|400x400px|"May Robert rest peacefully now. He is survived by his son Jason Proctor and his friend Daniel Larson"]]
On December 11, 2023, a [[Trolls|troll]] pretending to be a nurse under the name Lucy commented in the community tab under Daniel's account that Bob had suffered a heart attack and died at 2:03 AM.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxWCZ-xKpqgjBCFzKzaHurtK4WZum8b-ym</ref> Daniel seemed to believe this for the most part. In his "grief", Daniel had also posted a memorial of Bob on his community tab.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-2xDheSLpYFUrqT2rz1_6w/community?lb=UgkxHMj-U_lM4GZtfX3tm3fQb6wRXWI4YQ4o</ref>
{{Quote|In memory of Robert proctor. We will always miss you. The impact you made in the world was loving and kind 💞 RIP godfather 💖😉}}
Despite this being the first instance of Daniel calling him a godfather, just like [[Nancy Shimer|his grandmother]], Daniel obviously did not care very much about the supposed passing of his friend. Bob, if anything, was nothing more than a wallet to Daniel, who was there to give him money and nothing more.

== False End ==
From late November 2023, Bob appeared to have finally cut off Daniel ''for good'', following years of abusive behavior from him, the driving influence behind his decision being his continuing lack of money, causing an inability to support Daniel any longer. However, the community would come to realize that [[Jail Arc 2|Bob had been speaking with Daniel all this time.]]

=== Christmas 2023 ===
''Main article: [[Christmas Day Meltdown]]''

Unsurprisingly, Daniel's [[The Golden Hotel Incident|antics]] would leave him on the streets for Christmas once again. On December 25, 2023, Daniel, "wishing to take bob out to dinner",<ref>[[Media:Christmas2023YTComments.png]]</ref> called a wellness check on Bob. The officer confirmed to Daniel that Bob was, in fact, still alive and not dead. <ref>https://archive.org/details/7316644773371120938</ref>

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Daniel tried to get Bob to talk to him in various ways, but as the night progressed it became clear that Bob would not give in. Daniel grew angrier at Bob, partially fueled with how cold it was and being forced on the streets after being trespassed from another motel. Daniel would continue to post many frantic videos that were quickly removed / deleted. The removal of the videos made archival more difficult.

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=== Fake Bob interaction ===

On December 26, 2023 Daniel falls for a troll pretending to be Bob in his YouTube community comments after the troll apologizes for everything. Most of the conversation is Daniel attempting to get "Bob" to call or text him as well as pleads for help. After many comments going back and forth and Daniel growing more frustrated, Daniel eventually caught on to something being wrong and deleted all of the threads.

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== Texts with Clark ==
As revealed by Flexburger in his video on Daniel, Clark, Daniel's manager at the time, had been in contact with Bob Proctor. Bob himself had thought that Clark was indeed a friend and a manager of Daniel, despite Clark admitting otherwise in the end. Not only this, but according to Clark, Bob had always been in contact with Daniel even with the Christmas Day Meltdown in mind; only cutting contact with Daniel to then try and take a break from him.

There is a likely chance that Bob is still in contact with Daniel even while he's in jail, showing that Bob will most likely never truly cut off Daniel unless he were to die or if another party stepped in.<gallery caption="Bob's texts with Clark">
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== External Links ==
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==References==
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Travis Larson

2025-05-27T09:28:17Z

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</center>{{Quote|That's on you. I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is. Sorry you can't take it. If your services will not let you get a job you don't get a job. Why is that so hard for you understand. Do as you are told. Follow the rules. Stop fighting against it.||author=Travis, in a text to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref>}}
{{Infobox|image=TravisAurora.png|imageDesc=Travis, and Daniels half-sister, Aurora|name=James Travis Larson|Alignment=Daniel Larson's father|DOB=September, 1978 (Age 45)|Nationality=American|Race=White|Gender=Male|Arcs=Before Era}}
'''James “Travis” Larson''' is the father of [[Daniel Larson]], [[Family|Joyetta Larson, Olivia Larson, and Aurora Larson]], ex-lover of [[Elisabeth Shimer]], ex-son-in-law of [[Nancy Shimer]], and the husband of [[Family|Paige Larson]].

Not much is known about Travis' involvement in Daniel's life, making him the most unpopular out of his parents. However, based on the interview with him, it can be assumed that the relationship between the two deteriorated long before he was an adult. This can also be said for his relationship with Daniel's mother, Elisabeth, as well.

Just like Elisabeth, there are also extremely tenuous claims of Travis abusing Daniel, with Daniel even claiming that Travis made him smoke cigars at a young age.<ref>[[November 6th Arrest]]</ref> Though, like many of Daniel's other claims, this should be taken with a grain of salt due to him being an unreliable narrator. Suffice to say, Travis officially distanced himself from Daniel and his mother long ago, wishing to be left alone.

After leaving his first family, Travis started up another with a woman named Paige, giving birth to Daniel's half-sister, [[Family|Aurora Larson]].

As of 2025, Travis has no contact with Daniel and advises anyone who comes across him to call the police and report him.

== Biography ==
{{PleaseSpreadTheMessage|Just like Daniel's mother, Travis is not confirmed to have physically abused Daniel, or mistreated him during his childhood. Their relationship is noted to have deteriorated before Daniel was even a teenager, and he is noted as not wanting to deal with Daniel due to his violent behavior. As stated many times before, confirmation on this matter is inconclusive, and it is more likely that Daniel was the abuser himself.}}
Travis Larson was born in September 1978 in Lancaster, California to parents James Ted Larson (April 22nd, 1930 – July 13th 2009) and Joan Beverly Lloyd (May 23rd, 1937 – April 30th, 2013), who got married on the 28th of September 1963, in Nevada.<ref>https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/find/person/p46un0r808nlunl2u4uu</ref><ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GPSG-RJJ</ref> He currently still lives in Lancaster, where his son Daniel would be born. Just like [[Elisabeth Shimer|Elisabeth]], it is speculated that Travis suffers from some sort of mental and/or physical disability that passed onto Daniel. This has not been confirmed and is mostly speculative.

It is rumored that both his mom and Travis were extremely abusive to Daniel, which eventually led to Daniel being [[Tennyson Center|taken away by social services]]. Daniel, at one time, even claimed that his father made him smoke cigars as punishment, and even worse, beat him with belts for "15 years." These claims cannot be substantiated, and it should be noted that Travis left Daniel's life well before he was taken away by social services.[[File:TravisFamily.jpg|thumb|What a happy family. ]]
In 2010, Travis separated from Elisabeth. According to posts made on Elisabeth's Facebook account, it can be inferred that his reason for leaving Elisabeth had to do with him not being able to put up with Daniel's behavioral issues and seeing Daniel as a lost cause. Additionally, in a leaked text message to Daniel, Travis states, "I am not your grandma. I will not lie to you or except bull crap. I tell you the way it is,"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15bj3re/i_dont_think_anyone_has_seen_these_texts/</ref> which reaffirms claims of Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]], enabling his problematic behavior.

Due to this combination of Daniel's behavioral issues, and no longer being compatible with Elisabeth, Travis and her split sometime around the early parts of 2010, coinciding with Daniel eventually being rehoused into the [[Tennyson Center|Tennyson Center.]] It appears him and Elisabeth were never married, evidenced by a Facebook post Elisabeth made where she refers to him as a "boyfriend" opposed to a husband. Some years later, Travis married a woman named Paige Larson. Paige and Travis would go on to conceive Daniel's half-sister, [[Family#Aurora Larson|Aurora]].

In April 2023, Daniel was asked during a QnA about his parents, including if they were drug users. Daniel claimed that Travis was a heavy cigarette smoker.<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1299v75/daniel_larson_addressing_his_relationship_with/</ref>

== Relationships ==
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth's Facebook post regarding Travis. ]]
=== Elisabeth ===
Main article: [[Elisabeth Shimer]]

It is not unreasonable to say that Elisabeth and Travis's relationship was, to say the least, not the best. In a Facebook post, Elisabeth describes Travis as, "a person whom is so obsessed in sex that he can't even care about other people's feelings,". While the validity of this is questionable, this is somewhat substantiated by how many children Travis and Elisabeth had. Even given Joyetta and Olivia's deaths, it still calls in question how much intercourse they were having to a point where Elisabeth was pregnant with twins.

In the wake of Daniel's behavioral and mental health issues (and him being relocated to the Tennyson Center), Travis decided to cut his losses and leave the mother of his child, telling Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as in her words, he'd "never get better".

Given that both Elisabeth and Travis have remarried, it can be inferred that they've since moved on from each other.

=== Daniel ===
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Daniel and his fathers' relationship is strained, to say the least. In an interview conducted by LarsonLeak, his father says that he is aware of the allegations of [[pedophilia]] against him. Additionally, he states that Daniel has gotten in physical altercations with less than 10 care providers and people close to him. In a text sent to Daniel, Travis notes that he won't lie and enable Daniel's behavior like his grandmother had done in the past. Unlike Elisabeth, he insists on reporting Daniel to the police if people were to ever come in contact with him.

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

It can be assumed that Travis and Nancy have a less than positive relationship. In the [[Spiddlekick Interview]], Daniel notes that Travis called his grandmother, "a bitch", due to her gaining custody of Daniel after he was removed from his mother's care. Though, outside of this, not much else is known.

==Interview==
In November 2022, [[larsonleak|LarsonLeak]], a YouTube channel dedicated to leaking information about Daniel, uploaded a video where he briefly interviews Travis, though he gets angry and hangs up on him, which is understandable.{{#evt:
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===Transcript===

Q: ''Hey, is this Travis?''

A: "Who the hell is this?" ''(in an angry / confused tone)''

'''''(Things got a little heated... so we caught him on another day.)'''''

Q: Do you know who Daniel Larson is?

A: "I'm not gonna reveal any information at this point."

Q: Are you aware of his [[Social Media Accounts|social media presence]]?

A: "Yes."

Q: Is he big? Like [[Delusions#Fame|celebrity level]]?

A: "In the thousands of followers."

Q: Do you know about him using the [[The N Word|N-Word]] online?

A: "Nothing racial, before this."

Q: What's exactly wrong with him?

A: "He has several [[Daniel Larson's health|mental disabilities]]."

Q: Which ones?

A: "I'm not gonna give any further information."

Q: You are aware of the rumors of him being a [[Pedophilia|pedo]], right?

A: "Correct".

Q: What do you have to say about them? Especially with all the evidence online?

A: "My advice is literally [[Daniel's Criminal History|call the cops and report him]]."

Q: There are videos of him [[Meltdowns|breaking things, etc.]] Has he gotten in any physical fights with caretakers or family members? If so... how many?

A: "Less than ten."

'''''(We asked him about how his life was in California. For some reason he didn't like that [[Glossary#K|creshtin]].)'''''

Travis ''(angry)'': "...cause I'm in fucking [[California]], you got the wrong number!"

Travis: "Bye."

== Gallery ==
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File:TravisLarsonProm.png|Travis and his new wife. Isn't she a beauty?
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==See Also==

* [[Elisabeth Shimer]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]

== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}

==References==
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[[Category:Family]]

Bob Proctor

2025-05-27T09:20:33Z

Sorades: /* Daniel */

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'''Robert "Bob" Proctor''' is an elderly man and philanthropist, who is most notable for being one of the most important figures in [[Daniel Larson|Daniel Larson's]] life. Bob took on the impossible task of becoming Daniel's guardian and "mentor," an undertaking exposing him to the full force of Daniel's [[December 10th Incident|anger management issues]]. Bob is also known for being involved in some of the most infamous incidents in Daniel's life, most notably the [[December 10th Incident|December 10th incident]] and [[August 31st Incident]]. He also served as a convenient scapegoat to blame whenever Daniel needed one, as well as a player in Daniel's delusions, as trolls would constantly impersonate him to gain influence over him.

Bob has served as a patron for Daniel's music career, paying for the production of his most famous song, [[Music Career|"Roaring Thunder,"]] and encouraged his further musical endeavors. Even so, Daniel has done nothing but take his generosity for granted by frequently [[Big Dick Muscle Man Incident|getting into arguments with him]], [[August 31st Incident|assaulting him]], and wasting away the money that Bob gave him ([[Daniel Larson's health|at one point even buying a fleshlight with money Bob had given him to spend on essentials]]).

Bob is keenly aware of Daniel's social media activity and, consequently, has repeatedly requested Daniel not to film or record him, citing concerns about potential harassment from [[trolls|trolls.]] At one point, Bob even asked Daniel to refrain from using his phone altogether due to Daniel's irresponsible behavior on social media. Obviously, Daniel has not respected these wishes, once even getting into a physical altercation with Bob which ended up in the authorities having to be called.<ref>[[August 31st Incident]]</ref>

On Christmas 2023, Bob had ceased providing financial support to Daniel and was thought to have cut off Daniel permanently. However, during the wake of the [[Second Jail Arc]] it was revealed by [[Flexburger]] that Bob had come back into contact with Daniel, and every time Daniel mentioned him after Christmas 2023 was not a lie. Following Daniel's arrest on 30 April 2024 and his subsequent [[Second Jail Arc|incarceration]], Bob seemed to have occasional contact with Daniel over text messages; however, as of December 2024, it cannot be confirmed if such contact continued.

== Biography ==
[[File:Maryannproctor.png|left|thumb|303x303px|Bob's late wife, MaryAnn Proctor. ]]
Bob's childhood or any events that happened in his early life are unknown, and will most likely stay unknown for the foreseeable future.

It is unclear where Bob works. According to Daniel, Bob works, or at the very least ''has'' worked, in the medical field. While confirmation on his occupation is inconclusive, it can be inferred that from Bob's ability to sponsor Daniel the way he did, he most likely had a very high paying job. Daniel has also claimed that Bob has a bad reputation at his workplace due to their relationship.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYyp8Ech9E&list=PLYpqXVHE5P7CikTuzPzzIsmp8hQM7OViD&index=3</ref><ref>[[:File:BobMedicalField.png]]</ref>

However, it is known that Bob, as well as his wife, MaryAnn Proctor (March 31, 1954 - December 30, 2014),<ref>https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/wheat-ridge-co/maryann-proctor-6261164</ref> were outspoken philanthropists and frequently helped disabled people throughout their lifetimes. Bob is known to have spent over 20 years donating to the [[Tennyson Center]], and other charities for the disabled.<ref>https://www.tennysoncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/2016-Annual-Report.pdf</ref><ref>https://www.tennysoncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2021-Annual-Report.pdf</ref> Bob's wife, MaryAnn, was a known member of the West Chamber Youth Leadership, another nonprofit organization that helped young people. Bob also has two step-children, Jason and Jonathan Shroud. By the time Bob married MaryAnn, the two were already adults. It is unclear what relationship Bob shares with his children. But, it is safe to assume that he most likely does not play an active part in their lives. Jason is said to have served in the Iraq War.<ref>[[:File:BobsSonJason.png]]</ref><ref>[[:File:JasonIraqWar.png]]</ref>
[[File:BobBench.png|thumb|Bob, pictured near the bench dedicated to his late wife. ]]
In 2014, MaryAnn would unfortunately pass away whilst undergoing a angioplasty. Her funeral was held at the Green Mountain United Methodist Church.<ref>https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/wheat-ridge-co/maryann-proctor-6261164</ref> West Chamber would also raise money to dedicate a park bench to her at the Golden Hill Business Center and unveiled it June 22, 2015. Bob was pictured at this park bench.<ref>https://coloradocommunitymedia.com/2015/06/30/west-chamber-honors-mary-ann-proctor-with-memorial-bench/</ref>

Most likely through his connections as a frequent donor, Bob and Daniel met at the Tennyson Center through a program called "Reading Buddies." According to Daniel, the time he spent with Bob mainly consisted of playing boards games together and reading.<ref>[[Spiddlekick Interview]]</ref>

=== Poor Health, and Speculated Cancer ===
{{Quote|I don't want to die, but who knows. You and your social media don't want to believe the cancer either.|Bob, to Daniel <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/181ljgp/exclusive_bob_doesnt_want_to_die/</ref>}}
[[File:Bob in his car.png|alt=Bob Proctor in his car with Daniel Larson.|thumb|Bob in his car.]]
It is speculated that Bob has cancer, although what type of cancer is unknown, and the validity of him having the illness at all is debated extensively. Daniel, in a YouTube comment, claims that Bob was, "...confirmed to not have cancer or if he did he is using that now as a way to manipulate". Daniel, like with many things, likes to go back and forth on whether Bobs cancer is true or not.

However, it should be noted that Daniel has a record of saying extremities and various ridiculous things to gain attention, but if this is true, it also confirms that for the majority of their interactions, Daniel has been harassing a man who is dying of cancer for money and various other items, which is utterly uncaring of his illness. <gallery>
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== Relationships ==

=== Nancy ===
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''

While not much is known about their relationship, Daniel's grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer]], developed a friendship with Bob. It is theorized that Nancy and Bob could have had a romantic relationship; however, this claim is unsubstantiated and is most likely not true. Their friendship grew during the time Bob would play board games and spend so much time with Daniel such that when Nancy was on her inevitable deathbed due to cancer one of her last wishes was for Bob to take care of Daniel when she wasn't there.

It is also theorized that Nancy put Bob in charge of some sort of bank account or trust fund that she'd left Daniel after she passed. This is speculated as a reason why Bob did not leave Daniel almost immediately after his violent outbursts; although, this is most likely false until further confirmation.

=== Daniel ===
[[File:I Can Count The Pixels.png|thumb|Bob and Daniel at a Bowling Alley.]]
''Main Article: [[Daniel Larson]]''

Bob has been acquainted with Daniel since his formative years, and it is likely that he is the only genuine father figure Daniel has ever had, especially after Daniel's own [[Travis Larson|father]] disowned him due to his outbursts.

Daniel and Bob first came into contact through a reading buddy program at the [[Tennyson Center]], a facility Daniel went for schooling and living in his teens, during a time when he was still recovering from his parents' abuse. While living at the Tennyson Center (at the time of an ongoing custody battle), Daniel had the opportunity to attend a reading buddy program once a week. Daniel reports that he and Bob, ". . .really hit it off," enough that the Tennyson Center permitted them to have a relationship outside their program. Ever since their initial meeting, Bob became a "mentor" to Daniel; although, his abilities at mentoring Daniel are debatable. After Nancy's death, however, Bob formed more of a fatherly bond with Daniel. Having no biological children of his own and little to no association with his stepchildren, it is likely that Bob sees Daniel as something of a son.
[[File:BobRetirementDebt.png|left|thumb|A conversation between Daniel and Bob.]]
Despite his alleged profession in the medical field, Bob obviously has no idea how to handle a very mentally disturbed person such as Daniel. As mentioned in the [[Caretaker Call]] (even while considering its questionable validity), while Bob obviously has lots of care for Daniel, he has no idea how to care for a person with as many [[Daniel Larson's health|mental issues]] as Daniel. This has, obviously, not been in his favor, because of Daniel's schizophrenia and autism, they have had many fights that have resulted in Bob having to call the police to deescalate the situation. However, one of the most notable incidents between them where they don't have any sort of physical altercation is the [[Big Dick Muscle Man Incident]] where Bob refers to American social media personality [[Jacob Sartorius]] as "Big Dick Muscle Man", in between Daniel arguing with Bob about the validity of his delusions, and, oddly, the size of his own penis.

Despite Bob’s issues with Daniel, he has continued to support him. After Daniel broke his phone during his [[Travel Arc|world tour]] in Texas, Bob bought Daniel a new one. However, Daniel has remained consistently ungrateful treating Bob as more of a paypig than a person. Bob has funded many of Daniels endeavors, most notably his career as a singer-songwriter, funding studio sessions to record songs such as [[Roaring Thunder]] and [[Something More]].

Prior to this, it was unknown as to how much money Bob was giving Daniel. On November 27th, it was revealed that Bob was giving Daniel nearly 1000 dollars per month, which left him in a position where he only had the income leftover in his retirement account, along with having to figure out how to live while on social security.

== Alleged Death ==
[[File:BobMemorial.png|thumb|400x400px|"May Robert rest peacefully now. He is survived by his son Jason Proctor and his friend Daniel Larson"]]
On December 11, 2023, a [[Trolls|troll]] pretending to be a nurse under the name Lucy commented in the community tab under Daniel's account that Bob had suffered a heart attack and died at 2:03 AM.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxWCZ-xKpqgjBCFzKzaHurtK4WZum8b-ym</ref> Daniel seemed to believe this for the most part. In his "grief", Daniel had also posted a memorial of Bob on his community tab.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-2xDheSLpYFUrqT2rz1_6w/community?lb=UgkxHMj-U_lM4GZtfX3tm3fQb6wRXWI4YQ4o</ref>
{{Quote|In memory of Robert proctor. We will always miss you. The impact you made in the world was loving and kind 💞 RIP godfather 💖😉}}
Despite this being the first instance of Daniel calling him a godfather, just like [[Nancy Shimer|his grandmother]], Daniel obviously did not care very much about the supposed passing of his friend. Bob, if anything, was nothing more than a wallet to Daniel, who was there to give him money and nothing more.

== False End ==
From late November 2023, Bob appeared to have finally cut off Daniel ''for good'', following years of abusive behavior from him, the driving influence behind his decision being his continuing lack of money, causing an inability to support Daniel any longer. However, the community would come to realize that [[Jail Arc 2|Bob had been speaking with Daniel all this time.]]

=== Christmas 2023 ===
''Main article: [[Christmas Day Meltdown]]''

Unsurprisingly, Daniel's [[The Golden Hotel Incident|antics]] would leave him on the streets for Christmas once again. On December 25, 2023, Daniel, "wishing to take bob out to dinner",<ref>[[Media:Christmas2023YTComments.png]]</ref> called a wellness check on Bob. The officer confirmed to Daniel that Bob was, in fact, still alive and not dead. <ref>https://archive.org/details/7316644773371120938</ref>

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Daniel tried to get Bob to talk to him in various ways, but as the night progressed it became clear that Bob would not give in. Daniel grew angrier at Bob, partially fueled with how cold it was and being forced on the streets after being trespassed from another motel. Daniel would continue to post many frantic videos that were quickly removed / deleted. The removal of the videos made archival more difficult.

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=== Fake Bob interaction ===

On December 26, 2023 Daniel falls for a troll pretending to be Bob in his YouTube community comments after the troll apologizes for everything. Most of the conversation is Daniel attempting to get "Bob" to call or text him as well as pleads for help. After many comments going back and forth and Daniel growing more frustrated, Daniel eventually caught on to something being wrong and deleted all of the threads.

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== Texts with Clark ==
As revealed by Flexburger in his video on Daniel, Clark, Daniel's manager at the time, had been in contact with Bob Proctor. Bob himself had thought that Clark was indeed a friend and a manager of Daniel, despite Clark admitting otherwise in the end. Not only this, but according to Clark, Bob had always been in contact with Daniel even with the Christmas Day Meltdown in mind; only cutting contact with Daniel to then try and take a break from him.

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== External Links ==
{{Homeless Era}}{{Chronology}}

==References==
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