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{{Ongoing}}
''For communications made during the [[Jail Arc|First Jail Arc]], see [[Jail Arc#Jail Communications]]''{{Videos Need Archiving}}{{CW}}{{Ambox
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| issue = '''Do NOT attempt''' to contact Daniel while he is incarcerated. Individuals associated with Daniel, especially '''[[Management]]''', have been investigated by law enforcement due to their involvement with Daniel. Contacting him could put you in trouble. Bear this in mind and keep yourself safe.}}
| issue = '''Do NOT attempt''' to contact [[Daniel]] while he is incarcerated or attempt to send anything to him. Individuals associated with Daniel, especially '''[[Management]]''', have been investigated by law enforcement due to their involvement with Daniel. Contacting him could unintentionally get you in legal trouble. Additionally, you are preventing Daniel from getting the help he needs, and realizing that he is delusional. Bear this in mind and keep yourself safe.}}{{Ongoing}}On April 30, 2024, Daniel was [[Second Jail Arc|arrested]] after making several terroristic threats against establishments such as the White House. This marked the first fully offline arc in Daniel Larson history. Almost all knowledge of what Daniel has been up to since his arrest has come from '''communications from jail''' – emails, letters and phone calls – while he awaits his hearings.
 
On April 30, 2024, Daniel was [[Second Jail Arc|arrested]] after making several terroristic threats against establishments such as the White House. This marked the first fully offline saga in Daniel Larson history, called the Second Jail Arc. Almost all knowledge of what Daniel has been up to since his arrest has come from '''communications from jail''' – emails, letters and phone calls – while he awaits his hearings.


== List of calls ==
== List of calls ==
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==== May 1 ====
==== May 1 ====
On May 2, Flexburger uploaded a call between Clark and Daniel, though it is likely that the call took place sometime on May 1, evidenced by previously leaked audio.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DAIS-Dv8eY</ref><ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1ci5r01/update_its_most_likely_all_over_folks/</ref>
On May 2, Flexburger uploaded a call between Clark and Daniel, though it is likely that the call took place sometime on May 1, evidenced by previously leaked audio.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DAIS-Dv8eY</ref><ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1ci5r01/update_its_most_likely_all_over_folks/</ref> In this call, Daniel drops the bombshell that he has been charged with '''7 counts of interstate communication of threats''', and is now deemed a flight risk.
 
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Daniel starts off the call by stating that the police are looking into Bob's financial situation, as they are under the suspicion Bob is committing fraud. Daniel then informs Clark that he has Federal court on Monday, May 5th, and has acquired a public defender. He then drops the bombshell that he has been charged with '''7 counts of interstate communication of threats''', and is now deemed a flight risk.  
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==== '''<big>May 6</big>''' ====
==== '''<big>May 6</big>''' ====
From a video posted by [[Larsonleak|Larsonleak raw]] on the 12th of May, also featuring [[Kusari]], a phone call from the 6th of May was leaked. This call is the most serious out of all of them. The calls contents contain Clark revealing everything to Daniel, from his [[UCLA Arc|UCLA classes]] being fake, to Clark not actually being a lawyer or a manager of his. He also addresses Daniel's actions and how bad they were, at one point calling him a "sick guy".   
From a video posted by [[Larsonleak|Larsonleak raw]] on the 12th of May, also featuring [[Kusari]], a phone call from the 6th of May was leaked. This call is the most serious out of all of them. The calls contents contain Clark initiating a serious talk, revealing everything to Daniel, admitting his entire identity was fake.   


This occurred after management, as well as Clark, were interrogated by the police due to their involvement with Daniel. Clark elaborates that due to Daniel, he had lost 2 (and possibly) jobs due to him, and that this call to Daniel was, "the most important call of his life". While speaking to him, Clark does not give Daniel much room to speak, and it can be heard how shocked Daniel is.   {{#evu:https://archive.org/details/the-end-of-daniel-larson-coming-clean
This occurred after management was interrogated by the police due to their involvement with Daniel. Clark elaborates that due to Daniel, he had lost 2 (and possibly) jobs due to him, and that this call to Daniel was, "the most important call of his life.”
 
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{{blue|Automated voice: ...and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1.}}
{{blue|Automated voice: ...and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1.}}
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{{red|Daniel: *unintelligible* I mean, uh, to be honest, I kind of knew that you were trolling, and that's why I kept qrestioning (questioning) everything.}}
{{red|Daniel: *unintelligible* I mean, uh, to be honest, I kind of knew that you were trolling, and that's why I kept qrestioning (questioning) everything.}}


[Call lasts for another 16 minutes, mostly Daniel giving muffled responses and repeating himself. Clark hangs up.]
[Call lasts for another 16 minutes, mostly Daniel giving muffled responses and Clark repeating himself, who hangs up.]


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==== '''May 9''' ====
==== '''May 9''' ====
Also featured in the aforementioned video, Daniel called Clark on May 9, 2024. Clark reluctantly agreed to do this after former members of Daniels management convinced him to do so. In this call, Daniel seeks to fix his friendship with Clark and rebuild, while Clark maintains a serious tone and tells him to take responsibility. They both admit their past mistakes, although Daniel does not seem to truly understand his wrongdoings.  
Featured in the aforementioned video, Daniel called Clark on May 9, 2024. In this call, Daniel seeks to fix his friendship with Clark and rebuild, while Clark maintains a serious tone and tells him to take responsibility, though Daniel does not seem to truly understand his wrongdoings.  


Considering Clark's unwillingness to speak with Daniel after this call, this was speculated to be the final time Daniel would have contact with outside world. However, he returned in September with a new call.  
Considering Clark's unwillingness to speak with Daniel after this call, this was speculated to be the final time Daniel would have contact with outside world. However, this would later be proven false.  


This was the final call to take place in Clear Creek County Jail.  
This was the final call to take place in Clear Creek County Jail.  


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==== September 7 ====
==== September 7 ====
Daniel had attempted to call Clark twice, on June 30 and at the end of August, both of which he had missed. This is the first call that takes place in FCI Englewood.
On the morning of September 7, 2024, Daniel called Clark from the federal prison, and had their first conversation in nearly four months. Daniel talks about how he has been in protective custody for the last few months, and how he may be transferred to a psychiatric facility in a different state.
 
This call reveals the unsurprising fact that no matter how much sense people try to knock into Daniel, it never works, as he is still thinking about Grace despite being told that he is not in contact with her.  


On the morning of September 7, 2024, Daniel called Clark from the federal prison, and had their first conversation in nearly four months. Daniel's emotional tone sounds vulnerable and agitated as he talks about his situation, saying that he has been put in protective custody for the last few months, and may be transferred to a psychiatric facility in a different state.
This is the first call that takes place in FCI Englewood.  


This call reveals the unsurprising fact that no matter how much sense people try to knock into Daniel, it never works, as he still thinking about Grace despite being told in the second call that she does not want anything to do with him.
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===October 2024===
===October 2024===


==== October 7 ====
==== October 7 (1) ====
On October 7, 2024, Lil Sippy received two calls from Daniel. He posted one of them on YouTube already, and plans to post more Larson calls soon. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPaIJ0gQjc</ref> This is the first phone call that does not feature Clark.  
On October 7, 2024, [[Lil Sippy]] received two calls from Daniel, someone who had gained contact with Daniel in mysterious ways. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPaIJ0gQjc</ref> This is the first phone call that does not feature Clark.  


In this call, Daniel explains that lawyer has lacked communication since August. Lil Sippy informs him about a new document which states that Daniel may be moved to Springfield by December, and gives him advice to try his best to act competent for a plea deal, which may speed up his release and promises to send him some photos. Daniel, under delusion, also expresses frustration about his family's lack of support and worries that a felony conviction would limit his ability to travel and maintain his (albeit, imaginary) relationship with Grace VanderWaal.
In this call, Daniel explains he had lacked communication with his lawyer since August. Lil Sippy informs him about a new document that stated Daniel may be moved to Springfield by December. Additionally, Daniel, under delusion, expresses frustration about his family's lack of support, worrying a felony conviction might limit his ability maintain his imaginary relationship with [[Grace VanderWaal]].


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==== October 7 (2) ====
==== October 7 (2) ====
On October 8, 2024, Lil Sippy released the second call, which occurred the day before. Both the first and second calls took place on the same day. It can be viewed below. From this call, Daniel has become more delusional despite being institutionalized, claiming that Trump has asked him to become vice president, among other delusions.
On October 7, 2024, Lil Sippy called Daniel again. Despite being institutionalized, Daniel seems significantly more delusional. He claims that Trump has asked him to become vice president, that Grace's songs were about him, among many other delusions.
 
<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aT-tc04LAA&t=264s</youtube>
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==== October 8 ====
==== October 8 (1) ====
On October 9, 2024, Lil Sippy posted another call. This call is most notable for Daniel claiming to have been in contact with [[wikipedia:Chief Keef|Chief Keef]] and [[wikipedia:Lil|Lil Durk]]. It was recorded on October 8, 2024 and can be viewed below:  
On October 9, 2024, Lil Sippy posted another call. This call is most notable for Daniel claiming to have been in contact with [[wikipedia:Chief Keef|Chief Keef]] and [[wikipedia:Lil|Lil Durk]]. It was recorded on October 8, 2024 and can be viewed below:  


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<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItKag7bR2xU</youtube>
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Lil Sippy shows Daniel the recording of the detective reading his search history, leaking some alarming searches. Daniel also explains meeting someone claiming to be Jakob VanderWaal, his concerns about Clark, and supposed music theft by [[World of T-Shirts]].  
Lil Sippy shows Daniel the recording of the detective reading his search history, leaking some alarming searches. Daniel also explains meeting someone claiming to be Jakob VanderWaal, his concerns about Clark, and supposed music theft by [[World of T-Shirts]].  
 
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<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KKoGdqvcWk</youtube>
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==== October 9 ====
==== October 9 ====
{{PleaseSpreadTheMessage|The audio/video for the following call is [[Lost Media]]. At this time, only a transcript of the call is available.}}
On October 9, 2024, Daniel called Clark once again. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=417CiWbaOuk</ref> Daniel appears to be more delusional, stating that Grace has been mentioning Clark indirectly in some of her songs. He also reveals the poor conditions in jail, which he relates to his struggles with being homeless. He also expresses concerns for the VanderWaal family, believing they were affected by the hurricane and still believing Grace likes him.
On October 9, 2024, Daniel called Clark once again. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=417CiWbaOuk</ref> Daniel appears to be more delusional, stating that Grace has been mentioning Clark indirectly in some of her songs. He also reveals the poor conditions in jail, which he relates to his struggles with being homeless. He also expresses concerns for the VanderWaal family, believing they were affected by the hurricane and still believing Grace likes him.
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==== October 12 ====
==== October 12 ====
{{PleaseSpreadTheMessage|The audio/video for the following call is [[Lost Media]]. At this time, only a transcript of the call is available.}}
On October 14, 2024, Clark released a call between him and Daniel that took place two days prior. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbOd8wmQYI</ref> This was the shortest call out of all of them, and mainly goes over Daniel's routine in jail and what he does in his time.  
On October 14, 2024, Clark released a call between him and Daniel that took place two days prior. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbOd8wmQYI</ref> This was the shortest call out of all of them, and mainly goes over Daniel's routine in jail and what he does in his time.  
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On October 23, 2024, Daniel called Lil Sippy from jail. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbeJFIdxce4</ref> Daniel reveals that he has run out of money and cannot send letters or emails, and Sippy gives Daniel advice for if he does get released. Daniel also claims that he will be focusing on his music and acting after being out, and not listening to the trolls.
On October 23, 2024, Daniel called Lil Sippy from jail. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbeJFIdxce4</ref> Daniel reveals that he has run out of money and cannot send letters or emails, and Sippy gives Daniel advice for if he does get released. Daniel also claims that he will be focusing on his music and acting after being out, and not listening to the trolls.


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==== October 24 ====
==== October 24 ====
Daniel and Lil Sippy had a brief phone conversation on October 24, 2024. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7iJp9Yy4I</ref> Lil Sippy was already on the phone with another caller when Daniel calls him.
Daniel and Lil Sippy had a brief phone conversation on October 24, 2024. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7iJp9Yy4I</ref> Lil Sippy was already on the phone with another caller when Daniel calls him.
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==== October 26 ====
==== October 26 ====
Daniel and Lil Sippy had a phone conversation on October 26, 2024. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G27l34IL6Y0</ref> Daniel's delusions appear to be getting worse, as he claimed that Taylor Swift wanted him to come on her Eras Tour, but he declined.
Daniel and Lil Sippy had a phone conversation on October 26, 2024. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G27l34IL6Y0</ref> Daniel's delusions appear to be getting worse, as he claimed that Taylor Swift wanted him to come on her Eras Tour, but he declined.
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Daniel called Lil Sippy in the late morning hours of October 30, 2024. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJP57EdTpI8</ref>
Daniel called Lil Sippy in the late morning hours of October 30, 2024. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJP57EdTpI8</ref>


==List of letters==
Daniel discusses the lack of communication with his public defender, as he said in every call since September. He shifted the conversation to Interscope and LBI, which Lil Sippy was not familiar with. He says he will not be transferred anytime soon, as he spoke with a caseworker, social worker, and nurse at the jail, who all confirmed he won't be transferred by December 31. Lil Sippy advises him to stop dwelling on Tina and Grace, and Daniel agrees, adding that Grace is an adult and can do anything she wants. They discuss the threats, to which Daniel attributes to being "terrified and confused while homeless", and how he was hanging out with [[Dylan Clark]] in a homeless shelter.
===October 2024===
 
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{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from}} {{red|Daniel Larson.}} {{blue|This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5.}} {{green|*Lil Sippy presses 5*}} {{blue|Automated voice: You may begin speaking now.}}


==== October 3 Letter ====
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yo, what's up?}}
On October 3, 2024, Lil Sippy received a letter from Daniel.


This letter is notable for its first page being completely normal, and its second being bizarrely sexual. It is unknown if this letter is completely legitimate, but calls with Daniel and Lil Sippy point to it being real.
{{red|Daniel: *as his line connects* (Hel)-lo?}}


====October 21 Email====
{{green|Lil Sippy: Hello?}}
On October 21, 2024, Daniel emailed Lil Sippy from jail, with the subject being "case dropped." <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prvklwNPKjU</ref> The email contains nothing of note, and is mostly just delusional ramblings.   
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey, this is Daniel.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What's going on?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey...}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: ...CEO.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Nice. Were you able to get, uh, your lawyer's number approved?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Not- well, it should be, I put it in the computer this morning for the phones. Um, it should be either tonight or tomorrow.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, cool.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, do you know at all, like... I know Interscope Records was in contact with me previously and wanted to hire me. Do you know at all what's going on with Columbia Records at all? Because I was also in contact with them and Grace's entertainment management, LBI.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Most- you mean BMI?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: L, uh... LBI.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: It's LBI? I haven't heard of LBI, I've heard of BMI, not LBI, but um...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Weird, OK.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: I can, hold on. Let me look up what is- let me try to look up what is LBI.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: LBI Entertainment.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: *types into phone* LBI... Entertainment. Oh, it came up. OK, huh. Interesting.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And they are Grace's management from my understanding, and I've been in contact with them for the past like, five years.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, OK. Yeah, BMI is Broadcast Music Incorporation so I guess, I don't know, I was getting them mixed up. But, yeah, I don't think I've head anything about uh... Columbia besides what you told me, that it's Grace's label and stuff.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: And I guess Interscope and Columbia are fighting over you and you know, they- *gets interrupted*}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, I know that.}}
 
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{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright. Have you been talking to, uh, your lawyer or anything- anybody lately, or no?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Nope... I haven't heard anything. But anyways, besides that, I mean, really no progress no nothing at the jail. It's the same it was last week and the week before, and the week before that.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You just gotta wait to go to Springfield. Once you get to Springfield, you know, you have four months to do there and then..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, that's IF I get transferred, because if I don't by the end of Novem- or the end of December, right? End of December, then my case gets dropped, right?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, that's what the judge said, the judge said she'll probably drop your case at the end of December if you're not moved to Springfield by then. Well if you-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK, 'cause I was, I was talking to the jail and they don't have me next on the list either, and they don't know when the next bus is and I'm not even on that list.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But if you do end up- all I'm saying is if you do end up going to Springfield, you'll be there for, I think four months.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah. I do know that if I get transferred there I'll be there for four months. But there, I talked to the jail here, and I talked to the case worker and the social worker here at the jail, and they're all just saying that I'm not being transferred yet and I'm not anywhere close on the list.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: I think in the court papers I was looking at, it said, uh, sometime in November is their estimate, so. It didn't say when or whatever.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, I would have- I would have to see the nurse first because the nurse sees all people a week prior to them being transferred, and the nurse that like, I'm nowehere near on the list. So...}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So maybe towards the end of November is what they mean, I don't know. It just says November on the-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, the end of November is Thanksgiving.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And they're not gonna be doing transfers at Thanksgiving. If anything, it would be the first or second week in December, or it would be this next bus and they don't even have the next bus on the list because of all the... I guess all the election stuff, they're delaying it, and I guess Boeing as well is having issues because the people that do transfers are Boeing.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see what happens, it's all we can do at this point.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, so we're just playing this waiting game right now, and beside that I mean...}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: It sucks, but that's...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It sucks.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: ...that's all it is. I tried-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yup. I mean, at this point I think everybody prefers my case gets dropped, but we can't- we don't have any power over that,, so...}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: If it's so tough for you to deal with... if Tina's being such a, you know, idiot and making stuff so hard for you, why don't you just like, forget about Grace for now and just focus on yourself?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- *sighs* I agree, I mean, I think- I think me and Tina just got off on the wrong foot and because I was homeless, I just wasn't thinking straight. And um, I think if she was able to talk to me now, things would be completely different.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I mean, at this point, all it is is just a waiting game and see what happens.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I doubt that Grace will do anything um, to contact you while you're in jail.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I mean, if- if she does, it's up to her.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It's up to her. I mean, she's her own adult...}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: And she can give you- she can, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: She's her own person, so in the end it's up to her.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But people-...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Tina doesn't want her to, she needs to realize that like, if she wants to talk to me, she can talk to me. It doesn't matter what Tina says, she's not-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: She's not a minor anymore.}}
 
{{Lil Sippy: Yeah, but-}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: ...does.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, TikTok...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It- I mean, at this point, I know what's going on. I know everything on what's going on, I understand it. I mean, I believe it's all just, a bunch of bullshit and I really should be released from custody.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And I need to be able to be given a chance, but I- I just can't get back out without a safety regulation or something. I have to, you know, really try to figure out how things are gonna work once I get out. That's kind of where things are now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You think you have problems controlling your anger?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Not, not really. I mean, when I was homeless... I mean being out in like 20 degree weather, I mean of course I'm not gonna be doing that great. *sighs* I mean...}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, but...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: My anger overall, I mean, I don't really have anger issues. I can take a lot of stress.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, but you don't think that sometimes you get angry and you do stuff without thinking, like make threats or something, that you-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No, uh no, I made the threats because I was terrified and I was confused on why the record labels weren't paying me. And Bob kept telling me that I wasnever in contact with the record labels and I was never in contact with Grace, and I was being told that by the FBI too.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Do you trust Bob now?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I... to be honest, I really don't. I only trust the facts that I have, the proof that I have.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That's what I trust, because I am the only person that lived that situation, and I was the one that was actually receiving the texts, and was receiving the things that I know now. You see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I see what you mean. What was going...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, and so I made the threats, I made the threats to try to get help. I was on M1 holds, mental health holds.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I went to, um, homeless shelters and apparently the police are saying, another thing is the police in reports of my legal discovery, were saying that I was hanging out with D- [[Dylan Clark]], or Daylen Clark, right?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, yeah I remember.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: The guy in Boulder and how he made threats as well or whatever?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I was- I was at a homeless shelter with him. I had no choice to, you know, be surrounding him. He was surrounding me because we were at the homeless shelter together and I'm getting judged by the police for that. That's ridiculous!}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, it's messed up. You just gotta make sure your lawyer doesn't let them use that against you in court, um...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and the same thing, they're using the fact that like, I was in disability services already and using people in disability services to target me is absolutely ridiculous. That's targeting not only me, that's targeting them too. That's not OK.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: That's crazy. Why- so why did you always on YouTube, why would you always respond-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I -just to let you know, I gotta go. The call's about to break up and lunch is here.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Ok, alright, have a good-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I'll try to talk to you here in a little bit, or um, in a couple days, alright?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, just call me when you get the chance. Have a good lunch.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, you too. Bye}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, bye.}}
 
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==== October 31 ====
 
Lil Sippy and Daniel called again on Halloween. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar_ffGKM9HA</ref>  Daniel believes Bob is ruining his life.
 
===== Video =====
 
<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar_ffGKM9HA</youtube>
 
===== Transcript =====
 
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{{blue|Automated voice: To block this call-}} {{green|*Lil Sippy presses 5*}} {{blue|You may begin speaking now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What's good! Hello?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey! I don't have long to talk, I only have about two minutes I can talk.}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: Yeah, and then also I tried to talk to Bob earlier today about me and my release, seeing if he can, or seeing if I can get out in November instead of December because if I get released in December, let's just say, then I'm not gonna have time before Christmas to get my new state ID and to get back on my feet, even though I have money in my bank account now because I've been in custody.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. *coughs*}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And Bob was trying to say on the phone that like, yeah I have money in my bank account but I'm still going to need help financially because it's not, um, it's not a lot of money, it's like one month of an apartment...}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: ...which he needs to realize, right? And I don't think a lot of people realize this, I don't even think my fanbase realizes this. When I was traveling across the United States, even though Bob paid for like, the big airplane tickets and stuff like that, I was paying, I was paying for the Greyhound tickets, I was paying for food, I was paying for hotels, I was paying the majority and I, uh- this year I've lost so much money that I've not been making because I've been in custody, it's no longer a joke. I was- if I was out right now, all year I would have probably been in like, the upper uh... six digits in my income by now, like no joke because that's how much I was making.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh wow. Like a mil- looks like, like hundreds of thousands of dollars?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars because I was making, I was making like, back in 2022 when Bob wasn't even helping, I was making the most money.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: *coughs* OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And as soon as I asked Bob to try to help get me in an apartment, even one month and he denied it, we argued and he ended up saying he was going to pay for hotel rooms. Well,}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, I mean Grace like, Grace has a lot of money, why don't you- you don't think Grace would pay for anything?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Tina won't let her. }}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh man, Tina again. OK}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Tina just won't- Tina won't do anything and Tina won't let Grace help, it's been an issue.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: It's crazy.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: The thing is, I'm to a point I am, my life is being destroyed by Bob at this point, and I don't think he realizes it.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Bob is destroying your life? I thought Bob was helping you.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: He was helping me previously but it's to a point that he's saying things that without enough information, and talking to people behind my back like my lawyer, and I'm already deemed incompetent, if you know what I mean.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- I'm to a point I feel like nobody even cares, you know? People just want me and my career over and I would have been doing fine if Bob would've just, you know, got the apartment one month way back last year because when I started going from the street to the hotel, to the street to the hotel...}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|...my fans were confused, And it's similar to the news, right? When the fans are confused or the world is confused, they don't know what to believe and so eventually, people fall off the board, you know, people fall off the market.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. One sec..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And you have to- you have to something built that the fans can believe, and right now Bob is completely destroying that reputation.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Bob is destroying a reputation? What has he been doing?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: He's- like I said, he's been paying for the hotel rooms, he's been putting money on my books, he's now to a point where he's arguing about-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Now to a point to where he's arguing about the amount that he's putting on my books and saying that like, he can't do it that much more, it- it's to a point I was doing better financially and being able to support myself when he wasn't helping at all, when he was just a friend.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Wow.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And- and I feel like that financial aspect when he was paying for the hotel rooms and now to the point where he's saying, "I don't know if, you know, 'cause you're going to need financial help", no I don't, because if I was making enough in 2022 to be able to travel across the United States, I definitely had enough money to get on my feet.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So, I thought- but you're saying you're making money while you're in jail now, right?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Only because of him and my music distribution. If was out this year, this entire year, I would've made probably... I want to say six to seven songs by now. I was already, um, in my bank account I had $100 saved and I only needed 100 more and I was averaging 100 in saving a week to be able to get into the recording studio. I only needed 200 more, that's only two weeks.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, that's just the studio. You gotta think about housing too, though.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, but I was saying that like, I would've already had housing by now with the amount that I would have been making.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I've used the calculator in the jail, I've added everything up. The amount Bob was giving me versus what I can make and then the hotel rooms versus what I can make, and then the hotel rooms vs. the apartment, the apartment would have been a whole lot cheaper.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So... so it's Bob's fault that you're in jail too though, right?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It's yes and no. I want to say that he's a big factor in my fan base falling apart because he was keeping me homeless at the time, and when my fans started seeing me on the streets vs the hotel back and forth, I was losing fans.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. So, if he would've just...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That's a big factor in all the manipulation towards me.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So, if Bob would've just stepped up to the plate and given you enough money for housing, then...}}
 
{{red|Daniel: My fans probably would not have thought I was crazy and would not have manipulated me.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: When the fans saw that I was being on the street homeless and I was getting hotel rooms, everybody was asking me. Fans were coming up to me saying, "Where are you getting this money? Is Bob giving it to you?" and I said yes. And then at that point, it just got worse and then over time, fans were thinking I wasn't capable of anything and they didn't know that the money Bob was giving to me, a majority of it, I was saving behind Bob's back, and as soon as Bob found out, he would stop paying me. He would stop paying for hotels and then I would be back on the street, and then I would end up losing followers again.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: And it all makes sense now, it does. You make a good argument for it all being, uh, Bob's fault. You know, I never looked at it from that angle before.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and in the end- in the end, Grace was just telling me like, "Hey, you need to do this, you need to do that. You need to get this done." I was trying to do that all along, and Bob and the FBI agents were telling me I was never in contact with Grace.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: *overtalking* Well why do you think they were telling you that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I feel like if Bob would've known as well that if Grace was in contact all along and was able to verify it, Bob would have gotten the apartment.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What do you think their motives for telling you that uh, Grace- you were never in contact with Grace's... well, why would they tell you that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: *sighs* I think it was because Tina, I think Tina just didn't really like me because I was homeless and she wanted somebody for Grace that could actually take care of her as well, and somebody mature.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But I don't think Grace really cares about any of that. Grace just, uh, I think it feels like she wants you. She doesn't care about somebody rich or what anything like that.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I'm saying that from Tina's perspective.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, OK. Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But, but yeah I- I think everything is messed up. I've been listening to the news and I've been seeing how um, uh, the entire trash America thing on TV right now on Fox News, trash America.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And Trump in the tri- pickup truck.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, Trump-}}
 
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{{green|Lil Sippy: ...that he was doing well. Yup.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, well the crazy thing is I feel that way about America right now. I literally, I'm just to a point to where it's like, everybody in my life at the time, the VanderWaals should've stepped up, Bob should've just went and got the hotel, I mean the apartment, not the hotel room, but just went and got the apartment, paid one month, that's 30 days of my fans and getting spotted in public I could have saved up money for the next month. And instead I was paying for $100 to $200 for a hotel room a day, and an apartment is only $2000 a month.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. You can get cheaper apartments than that, but yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, you can get cheaper apartments, so I'm just saying that is extreme manipulation financially when it comes to my fanbase.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And I don't think Bob realized. But anyways, I gotta go, they're locking us down.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night man.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, bye.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, bye.}}
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=== November 2024 ===
 
==== November 9 ====
Daniel called Lil Sippy on November 9, 2024. Daniel claims that he is suing the US government. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NcHFjOguw</ref>
 
===== Transcript =====
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{{blue|Automated voice: …hang up now.}} {{green|*Lil Sippy presses 5*}} {{blue|You may begin speaking now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Hello?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hello?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What’s going on?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey! So, um, just curious, did the feds show up at your house or anything?}}
 
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’ve- they were here, uh, I don’t know, a few weeks ago.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK, OK. Um, is everything OK?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I just told them I’m not gonna make a statement, and they went away. That was it.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Oh, ok- ok. Weird. Well…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You think it was about you?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No, I- I just, I was told by somebody that apparently the feds showed up at your house.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, it was the Secret Service and uh…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: The Secret Service, OK.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: I assumed that it was because of you, because I’m in contact with you, and you’ve made threats against the- or you’re accused of making threats against the president or whatever, the White House. Um, but I didn’t stick around to talk them, I just told them to go away. Who told you that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Uh, Griffin. Um, but I also found out new information.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, what’s that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So I guess, uh- you can possibly, are you anywhere near a computer?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Um, not right now, but I can go inside and- well, I’m on my phone. If you need me to look something up for you, I can look it up on my phone.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK, well… so I guess on the BOP website, it says my current release date is the 25th.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: I don’t think it says that, I can look it up though.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, because I guess that’s- I’m not sure, but that’s what I’m being told by Griffin, and also, I talked to the release- uh, I guess the pre-release management here at the jail and they’ve also told me that um, it’s the 25th of this month if I’m not transferred. }}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, the BOP, the BOP website says, it still says unknown. It still says “release date unknown”. You might be getting transferred the 5th- I don’t know, if the jail told you that then that’s probably true, but the website still says “release date unknown”, and that’s because you haven’t been sentenced yet, right? Um}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, I was being told that the case is to get dropped if I’m not transferred by the 25th, and they’re dropping the case.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: It’s not the 25th, the- the court documents say the judge said if you’re not transferred by the end of December, then she’ll probably dismiss the case. But um, yeah, you’ll probably get transferred. If they’re saying the 25th, then you’ll probably go the 25th, um, but you know Griffin lies to you a lot bro.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No, I know. I know he does, but I also got crazy information.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What was that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s now, it’s now been over a week and Bob has not gotten back to me, and today’s the last commissary before the 25th.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So I would not be able to get clothing, but I have everything already ready, I’ve talked to uh, pre-release and everything. They’re all ready. I will get a new state ID when I get released and everything.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What is Bob’s problem? Why is Bob not sending you money?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: The last time Bob sent me money was over two and a half weeks ago, maybe three.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What’s his problem? Is he sick or what?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I have no clue. He told me to stop talking about Griffin and stop talking to you about him, and I- I stopped talking to both of- both you and Griffin about him, and then all of a sudden, he just stopped communication, and I called Griffin and I said, “hey what’s going on? I’m concerned about Bob?” because I have the right to be concerned, right?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: That’s crazy. Yeah, definitely.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And it’s now been over a week, and my public defender is also telling me that my like… I told-}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: This was way back in like, October. I told my public defender, I guess my release date is either in November or December, right?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yup.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: At the time it was actually, Griffin was saying it was November. My public defender said, “OK, who’s telling you that? Where are you getting this information?” And I said, “I guess it’s posted online. Griffin aka Clark told me.”}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, the BOP-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And then at that point, um, I haven’t been told anything else, and I have been told that if Griffin was lying to me, he would already be arrested on conspiracy and that has not happened.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, so um… on the BOP site it still says unknown, and you might be getting trans- if they’re telling you you’re getting transferred on the- what did you say, the 25th, you’re probably getting transferred on the 25th right? But..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I’m not, right, I’m not being transferred on the 25th. There’s no date as of right now on when I’m being transferred.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, so there-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: There’s no bus, they’re saying that there’s- it’s probably gonna be like that for the next couple months. They’re saying that since the election, they’re not getting funding.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, so um…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, I guess- I don’t know, but they’re not getting funding. That’s all I know.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, remember I told you that the judge said that she’s probably gonna uh, dismiss the case if you’re still there by December 31st, so that would be nice.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, Bob and I- the last conversation I had with Bob is, we’re trying to push it to this month.}}
 
{[green|Lil Sippy: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Because if I can get out this month, then I can get the apartment. Um, I talked to pre-trial services and pre-trial services, and I guess, uh, pre-release management, or pre-release, whatever it is who controls like, state IDs and stuff like that. They said that they- I can get that the day I leave here, and um, I can go like-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s basically a valid ID so I can use it like the second I get it. It’s valid anywhere, so I would I guess be able to get a new like, actual state ID from the uh, DMV.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: That would be nice!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I would be able to do that within the like, the first week if I get out this month. If I get out in December, then I would probably have to wait until January. }}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Instead of a normal idea, it would be pretty cool if you and Bob could do like, Driver’s Ed together and you know, we need Daniel Larson on the road, right? We don’t want you to-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Uh- no, I know, like I *sighs*, that’s kind of off subject, but I mean, yeah, I need to get on the road, I need to get a driver’s license.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I mean, at this point, Bob is holding up my career, he’s holding up my life. I’m like a slave to him as of this point, I’m a slave to the flippin’ jail. I don’t fucking know, but it’s ridiculous. And I have like, literal- like, I have actual bruises and cuts all over me, like- like all over my arms, all over my face, all over my back from when I was homeless. And the nurse here-}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: And it’s Bob’s fault!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Pretty much, because he could have more than… more than easily enough gotten me one month of the apartment.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And for me sleeping on the streets, I have cuts and bruises all over my body that just won’t go away, and even the nurse here at the jail says that um, while I’m in custody, they can’t do anything.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s something I have to wait until I get out, but they’re not healing. It’s some type of skin issue and they don’t know what it is.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: It might be scabies, but who knows.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No, ‘cause there’s something I guess, I’ve been tested for all sorts of stuff already, and they’re saying that there’s nothing. It’s literally just from me being homeless.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Wow. Um, so…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, literal like, cuts all over me that just haven’t healed. I’m not getting enough water, I’m not getting enough food.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Have you or your lawyer done any more investigation into what you were talking about, where you think that Griffin was only in contact with you to um, basically try to you know, steal Grace from you?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No, no, no. I have not heard anything from my public defender and I was supposed to meet with him yesterday, but I told uh, the unit case manager to go ahead and just cancel because I’m supposed to be getting out on the 25th, and he said, “OK, I’ll look it up too”, and he also looked it up and sure enough, he said “OK, well yeah, we’ll go ahead and cancel, because you’re getting out soon.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Who said you’re getting out on the 25th?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: The unit case manager.}}
 
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{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, yeah so if- I guess if the unit case manager is saying that, then they know something that I don’t, ‘cause I thought that uh, you were-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They know something is not right, because I also- this is weird. So I’m supposed to get drug tested here at the jail a week before I get transferred, OK? They do that for everybody who’s being transferred. They drug test them, OK? The thing is they do a blood draw and they do a urine test. Both of those were already done back in July, like two weeks after I got- I went to court, and uh, did the psych eval here.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Hmmm.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But like, the two weeks after I did it here, I was told I’m being transferred, um, the next week and I never got transferred. Nobody came to my cell, nobody got me, and then ever since then, even psychiatric last week on Thursday it was, I talked to psychiatric here at this jail, right? And psychiatric even told me, well I guess if your public defender won’t speak to you and you’re being told you’re getting out on the 25th, if you’re not transferred then and your case is gonna get dropped if you’re not transferred, then it sounds like your case is getting dropped, it doesn’t sound like you’re being transferred, because why would they drop the case if you’re being transferred? You can’t be held in custody. And psych told me that and I agree with them.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, so- it’s very confusing, very confusing, they’ll just-.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s very very confusing, because if they drop the case if I’m not transferred, why don’t they just drop the case now? That’s a clear sign that I’m not being transferred according to psychiatric.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Huh.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: By me telling them that I’m gonna be transferred and me sitting here, they’re saying that is making me look crazy.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Wow. So I guess all we can do now is just wait until the 25th.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, I’m being- I’m caught up in this crazy situation where I think- I think the court system is trying to play me, I think is what’s going on.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You know, there was a conspiracy theory floating around on TikTok saying that they- that people are thinking the government framed you for making threats just so you couldn’t win the 2024 election.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t want to believe that, I don’t wanna say that’s what it is, but I also kinda think that too, because I’ve been thinking ever since before the election that like, as soon as the election’s over, I’m guaranteeing that they’re just gonna go, “OK, well this guy’s no longer a threat, this guy’s telling the truth, he’s getting out.” And, and…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, are you expecting a pardon from Trump, or do you think you’ll be out before Trump even takes office?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, if the public defend- or if the prosecutor, right is saying January, I mean- it’s- no, if the prosecutor is saying December and Trump is not in office until January, like the end of January, I’m gonna be out before. That’s the way I’m looking at. I’m outsmarting the courts, and they’re just making me look like a flippin’ idiot and at this point…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You definitely are. I think it’s obvious that you’re smarter than the prosecutor, the judge, and everybody at this point. They’re the ones making a fool out of themselves.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and it’s just- it’s not OK. I’ve- the paperwork you sent me as well, right?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yup.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Uh, the suing paperwork-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: …already filled it out, I’ve added the United States government, so I went ahead and put down the United States so I can sue them. I could sue the criminal justice system, the feds, and I put down as well, uh, Bob.}} {{green|*Lil Sippy laughs*}} {{red|I haven’t sent it out yet, because I’m being told the 25th. But, if I’m not out by the 25th, because I’m not in communication with my public defender. He will not speak to me at all.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh my god..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And that’s another thing, if he’s refusing to speak to me, psych is saying that that’s not normal.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: It isn’t normal.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: The investigator with my case needs to talk to me. And all I’m doing right now is building a case against the criminal justice system and even psych knows it.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Do you think that- do you think that Bob, I’m sorry,  do you think that your lawyer and his investigator might be you know, in conspiracy uh, in cahoots with Bob and Tina? And probably Griffin?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Possibly. I also been thinking that since Bob went silent, he’s doing something behind my back, like getting the apartment or something and that’s- that to me seems like a sign I’m getting out very very soon.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, so- so Bob will still um, get you housing when you get out?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Uh, I never said that. I said that i’m thinking that because Bob’s going silent, he’s doing something, I don’t know what it is, but he might be getting me housing.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But wouldn’t it be a good thing for him to be getting you housing though? You’re t-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It would be a good thing! I’m not sure why I’m not out now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I believe I should be out today, but that’s besides the point. If they’re just gonna drop the case and they’re just talking their heads off, why don’t they drop the case now?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So, with- OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But anyways, I gotta go, alright? The phone’s about to cut out.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, talk soon.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, bye.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Bye.}}
 
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==== November 12 ====
On November 12th, Clark called Daniel.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1grlo64/november_12/?share_id=ZyzmL79_Iu5aOpcgpIv8m&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1&rdt=32995</ref> Daniel believes that he is being framed by Bob and the VanderWaals.
 
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{{red|Daniel: …on, because you said that Grace blocked you, right?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, as of right now, but I’m still trying to-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: How long- how long ago did she block you?}}
 
{{green|Clark: I mean, I don’t know if I’m blocked, more than not I just not get any answers. It’s been maybe like, two weeks probably? Since Bob hasn’t been answering, it’s been around the same time.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So around the same time.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Eh- are you still leaking the phone calls or did that stop? Because I know that the leaking of the phone calls was a big problem.}}
 
{{green|Clark: No, I- I have not, but I have- I did see the call that Nicholas put out the other day because you keep calling me Gri- like it’s Clark aka Griffin or Griffin aka Clark, I hear.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, yeah, but your name is Griffin, yeah.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I know.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s because- it’s because when, looking at it from a legal perspective, right? They need to know, if you know what I mean, so they don’t call me crazy.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, oh yeah, no, I agree.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- I feel like I’m being, I’m feeling like this entire situation, the reason why I made the threats, I felt- I feel like Bob was, on purpose, in conversation with the VanderWaals. I believe he’s lied to me. I believe he’s in contact at this point all along, right? And he lied to me saying he wasn’t, and I believe that he pretty much chose as well as the VanderWaals to keep me homeless until I said something, which was the threats, right? And so I would get arrested by the feds. You see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I don’t get why he would do that, though.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So the courts could get me housing because the VanderWaals do not have charges against me for the threats I made, and we already know that Tina promised me that she would help.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Ohh OK. That is true, and MacDougall promised, I guess, you things- .}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, MacDougall promised but he was trying to falsely incriminate me. He was calling me a pedo and all this crazy stuff without even the proof, and I- I don’t know if… there is a conversation I guess in my legal discovery where I did say that I was (talking) to somebody claiming to be Tina, but I don’t think it was really Tina and at that point of the day, I didn’t eat in like, a week.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah, no.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, I like, literally was not even thinking straight. I just read the message and I just responded like immediately, I was in the car with Bob that day.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no, that- that’s-}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: I also told, on the phone call to Nicholas that I was going to sue Bob, which probably if he got word of that, it probably pissed him off. But-}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, that- that’s what the title of the v- I think, of Nicholas’ video is, that you wanna sue Bob.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, the thing is I’m not going to do that when I get out. I mean, uh, if I don’t get out.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: If I get out, then I’m not going to sue. If I go ‘cause I’m transferred and I’m if not out by December, then I will sue because I feel like there’s a bunch of illegal activity. And I’m in the monkey in the middle, so.}}
 
{{green|Clark: In- yeah, and it’s- there’s someone also, there’s a Roblox game that’s like about you right now that has like thousands of players on it, and they’re raising money on there and they’re selling like shirts and stuff, but I’m pretty sure they’re just taking the money for themselves.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, and NIcholas told that was you, but if you are in contact or were in contact with the VanderWaals which we already know, they said, it’s clear that it’s not you. (unintelligible) like Bob or you know, it’s just like a planned thing to raise money, and this entire thing was, you know, publicity scene for me.}}
 
{{green|Clark: No, it’s not me. No, no, I’m in-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But the thing is, I don’t know. I’m just the monkey in the middle, like I said and I’m pretty much framed in all this. It’s ridiculous.}}
 
{{green|Clark: It is a whole situation, so for now I guess, we just have to keep waiting and hopefully, for now I would say, just stop talking about Bob so that maybe he’ll call you again, you know? So you can get money again.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I hope, I mean, today’s the last day I can get money for commissary. I mean, they keep pushing it out, so I’m fine right now, but today I think is the last day. So he really needs to get a hold of me today, because I’m trying to get new clothing in commissary. I have- I don’t have to put up with all the jail stuff. I can just, you know, get new clothing and be done. I get out, and then I have clothing.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, and get your- and have your tablet.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, I gotta go, alright?}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: If you- keep trying to get a hold of Grace, and like, literally, try- just try to tell Tina like, I’m sorry and I really need to talk to her to apologize and really try to talk to her.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK. OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: If that’s even possible. If she says no, just ask her like, the reason and just get back to me so I know. (unintelligible) telling me.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, I’ll try. Yeah, stay positive for now, you got it.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, bye.}}
 
{{green|Clark: *weird noise*}}
 
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==== November 15 ====
On November 15th, Lil Sippy called Daniel on his birthday.<ref>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UwM1BvnnzXg</ref> Daniel is clearly frustrated about spending his 26th birthday in jail, suspects that he is being profited from his name, believing Clark is responsible for it.
 
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[transcript starts 1 minute into the call]
 
{{red|Daniel: They’re concerned now because of what has happened. They’re concerned about complications, legal complications.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: I’m pretty sure I told you what was going on with your case though, didn’t I?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Legal complications after the fact, like if I got arrested, I mean, if I got released, right, what would happen after. Like, how it would affect Grace.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, ok. So you said Gr-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Which is kind of fucked up if they know for a fact they’d been involved.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So you said Griffin is in contact with Grace’s PR manager?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yes, and he’s been in contact with them way since I- before I even got arrested. I used to be in contact with them, but I was told they were impersonators, but now I’ve confirmed that they’re not.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Wow. So- so if you’ve been- OK. So if you’ve been in contact with Griffin, then you know the news with your family, right?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I know the news with my mother, yes.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know anything about Bob, I don’t know if something has happened to him or what, but he’s to a point to where, like I said, he’s not getting back to me, it’s been two weeks. I’ve missed now, three commissaries, and um, yesterday my, uh, $200 tablet that I can only get one a year, and it’s the only thing I have that keeps, you know, me busy in my cell just broke, so I’m like, completely fucked. Um…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Is that the tablet you used to send the CorrLinks message?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, no, but it is- it’s where I can rent movies for my cell, it’s like literally where most of the action in- well 99.9% of the action inside the jail is through. So without that, I’m kind of fucked up but that’s my point}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, well I know you need money on your books, um, I had an idea. I don’t know if you’re open to it, but we- I was thinking I could help you sell autographs and then we could but the money on your books like that. That’s the only reason- that’s only thing I can think of to help you, uh, get money.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: We can see, that is a good idea. I thought about doing it inside the jail too. Just going up to other inmates and trying to sell autographs, but…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: …thing is, it’s hard to do. Um…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, it might be hard to do in the jail if they’re not fans, but you got other fans outside. Yeah}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and it’s gonna be- it’s, there’s a whole trust thing involved too because people in the past, we kind of already know that, I’m not sure-}}
 
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{{green|Lil Sippy: …he’s doing all this, selling and stuff.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, Griffin’s the one doing it, that means the VanderWaals are doing it too.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But- and I also can’t get a hold of Griffin today. Whenever Bob doesn’t answer, Griffin starts acting all weird, so I believe Griffin is working with Bob too.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So- and they’re both profiting off your name?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I think everybody is. I think Tina, Grace, I don’t know what’s the entire motive of it, but I’m sitting in here, they’re not getting me out and in the meantime, they’re just doing whatever they want. It’s ridiculous, but I did talk to Griffin, like I said, yesterday and he said that he wants to try to move forward with me and Grace. No matter what Tina says, but…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Weren’t you saying that Griffin was trying to just get in contact with you just to steal Grace from you though?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I cannot confirm that. I cannot confirm it at all.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But you had your suspicions.}}
 
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, I can’t confirm any of that, so I don’t know. People are saying that, like other people are coming up to me and you know, saying that, but the thing is I can’t confirm anything. I don’t have any proof.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, but y-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, I’m sitting in jail with all the people saying things, I have no proof to prove otherwise other than the phone numbers and stuff that I’ve gotten. Addresses and the conversations. That’s all I have. I don’t have proof of anybody profiting or even if that is, I know it’s real, I don’t know if they’re actually selling it.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: You see what I mean? I don’t know if what they’re saying is lies or if it’s 100% true, Griffin told me yesterday that my mother might have passed away on Halloween, but Bob’s not getting back to me.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: No, she-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So now I’m to a point- I don’t know if Griffin is lying, and it’s really Bob passed away or what? Like, I’m to a point I just don’t believe anything. The only thing I believe is the numbers with Grace and the fact that Griffin is in contact with the PR. That’s all I can trust right now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Why do you- how- why do you believe that Griffin’s in contact with Grace’s PR though?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Because I used to be in contact with Grace’s PR along with Griffin.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy; OK. Well…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And Griffin told me to actually, before I got arrested, he told me to just hop on a plane, violate probation along with Grace and just go to their house in South Carolina, and I said I’m not gonna do that. But the thing is, they wanted me to violate probation to go on tour with Grace, and Grace has been saying that for years. So the fact that she’s been saying to go ahead and violate probation and all that, Grace is really the one that I believe at this point, especially since all of my addresses and all of the stuff that I’ve been getting all the information. Griffin, I’m not sure if you knew this, but Griffin also admitted on the phone that um, Tina right?  He admitted that Tina promised to help me out and I would never get arrested again. He admitted that.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And here I am in jail, so they’re clearly lying up a storm, and I’m the monkey in the middle. So I don’t know what’s going on, I still haven’t figured out my Colorado state ID that got stolen, because the guy who stole it looked like Jacob Sartorius, the Disney Channel star. Like no joke, he looked 100% like him and Griffin also looks 100% like him.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I don't know. It’s just- one thing…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s weird as hell.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: One thing that I thought was really weird about Griffin when I took a step back and started to think about it was when Griffin told you that the feds showed up at my house, I never told anyone, not on the internet, not anybody.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Which means he’s the one that did it, and then not only that, not only that, he’s the one who did that in my opinion, but then he told me that the feds showed up at his house.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Or he’s a fed. He- I thought the feds showed up at his work is what I heard, but I don’t know.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know, but he said people have- the feds have definitely shown up along with the Secret Service. }}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, that’s crazy, um..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And Grace also told me way back in like, January that the feds also showed up at her house and her work.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Have you- you still haven’t talked to her since you’ve been in jail?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I haven’t talked to her since I’ve been in jail, last I heard was Grace didn’t like Jacob Sartorius, they had some type of internet beef or something, industry beef where they just hated each other, but then the week before I got arrested, she’s like, oh, oh I love Jacob now. Now I don’t know who I’m gonna date.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So you think that uh, Griffin might be Jacob Sartorius undercover or in disguise?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Possibly, that’s what I believe and I’ve been trying to expose him for years because Grace made it clear that she wants to be with me. Even in my legal discovery I have pictures of Grace, um, that she sent me where it’s kind of weird, but she spelled my name on the paper on top of the picture like Photoshop, but she put my name in all capitals, DANIEL LARSON.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, wow, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And she- which means, right, from a legal perspective, that can stand in court.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, so were you close with your mom though?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I used to be and not anymore because I’ve been in and out of jail.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, yes-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: For crimes I’ve never actually fully committed but it’s ridiculous.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Crimes that apparently the government framed you for to stop you from winning the election is what I heard, but, um…}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- I don’t know. The thing is I can’t even run for president, and you know that. I can’t run for president until 2036. So even if that’s their only cause right now is “oh, let’s put him in jail so he can’t vote”, maybe I don’t fucking know but I can see that ‘cause I- I already made it clear in 2022 that I was a Trump supporter.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. I don’t know- OK, yeah I don’t know, I just- I don’t know if that’s true or not. I’m just saying what, the- conspiracy theories are.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know if it’s true either. But yeah, no I- I, there’s conspiracy I know.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, so then I’m just telling you what the conspiracy theories are. Um…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But anyways, Griffin told me that he wants to try to get me out of jail by Christmas. I told him if I can get Grace to agree to the relationship and get me out by the 25th like he previously said, that would be best, because he keeps flip-flopping everything but…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, I- I don’t think Griffin has any control over when you get out.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t think he does either, and I think the people that does is if Grace comes forward and says, yeah we’ve been behind everything this entire family. Bob has been behind everything, Grace has been behind everything, I have, Tina has, the label has. The only way that’s gonna clear up is if everybody just comes forward and admits it, they won’t be able to do anything because everybody’s behind it.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, Grace and Tina have a lot of power huh? Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right. If one person comes forward and says it, they’re just gonna arrest that person for like, conspiracy or something, right? But if everybody comes forward at this point and just admits it and says, “Look, we’ve been in contact with everybody and this is what’s going on”, then the odds of them dropping the case are almost 100%. I don’t know why at this point why my lawyer hasn’t said, “well, Daniel was being coerced by the feds into being homeless, into making the threats, and due to his mental illness…”}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. So is there anything you need- is there anything you need me to do to try to get that process speeded up or?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know, because I looked online and it should only be 30 days. It should be- it should not be four months, it should be 30 days of outpatient counseling for coercion. It doesn’t mean I’m gonna be transferred to the psychiatric place. That’s another crazy thing I found out as well. The competency evaluation has nothing to do with mental health. The judge ordered a mental health evaluation, not a competency evaluation. And I told my lawyer that, and he got pissed}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, well just let- I thought you said that Grace ordered it, not the judge.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, Grace ordered it, told the prosecutor and then the judge put it on paper to make it final. He’s the one who officially ordered it}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK. Hey, isn’t today your birthday?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Today is my birthday, yeah, and I was told by Grace back in January I would be living with her, so I’m pissed but that’s besides the point.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, happy birthday. I sent you a card, I don’t know if you got it, but yet, but i sent a card.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I haven’t gotten it yet, but everything is just a big fat lie at this point. I don’t fucking know, I’m just- I’m sitting in jail on my fucking birthday. This is now the 15th birthday I’ve spent behind bars. I’m just to a point I’m pissed off, so.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Are you still getting out, like you said, on the 25th or…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know. I don’t know. Last I heard here at the jail, it still says I’m in a holdover status.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, and what- * mutes the mic, sneezes, unmutes *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Meaning that the holdover doesn’t mean I’m being transferred, the holdover is we’re waiting until somebody comes forward and says something, which is bullshit but that’s besides the point. Anyways, I have to go, OK? Alright, the phone’s about to cut out}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, uh are you gonna call early in the morning like this now?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, until tomorrow and then it switches back till the afternoon.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, alright, talk soon. Bye.}}
 
{{red|Daniel :Alright, bye.}}
 
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==== November 16 ====
On November 16, 2024, Daniel called Clark. During the phone call, Daniel gets into an argument with a fellow inmate. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqtVPW_neN4</ref>
 
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[5 minutes into the call]
 
{{green|Clark: I agree.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: You see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Clark: So, wait did you get a hold of Bob?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Bob has not gotten back to me yet at all.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Did he not- I mean for your birthday yesterday, did he put any money on your uh, books?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Absolutely not. My birthday yesterday was destroyed.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Geez, that’s sad.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: 100% destroyed, and- and I’m being told now, um, that I’m gonna most likely like, this is gonna be my third Christmas in a row being destroyed.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I mean, shoot I remember la- yeah you were- [[Christmas Day Meltdown|last Christmas you were, was a terrible time too.]]}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- I- Bob told me that he wanted to go out to dinner with me and then, out of the blue something happened, he… Grace was wanting to go do something and uh, Grace wouldn’t get back to me, it was a real mess. I don’t know what was going on there, but..}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, and I remember Thanksgiving when you, uh, called the welfare check on Bob and..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Oh, no, that was Christmas. }}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, yeah, oh yeah.}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: The welfare check on Bob at Christmas, apparent- so this is another thing. Bob is still angry at me for the, my public defender showing up at his house. He says my fucking public defenders, is what he called them. My fucking public defenders, my fucking people showing up at his house. That’s what he said.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, that is weird. Why are they showing up at his-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Why, why is he going off at my public defenders for- just because the fact that they, I told my public defenders that like, um, Bob couldn’t, um, he couldn’t verify anybody.}}
 
[video cuts]
 
{{green|Clark: And I also don’t understand, like I get Nicholas’ position, but I don’t know, like he’s been in prison and stuff before, apparently he had like, packages from Russia at his house, I don’t- I have no idea.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know anything, it’s weird. I just haven’t heard that information, but I’ve heard some sketchy things about him.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: He sent me pictures of him, and he’s pretty high in the pictures, I’m- I don’t know what…}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, he’s got like, two face tattoos on him.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, I- you know, if he gets high, that’s on him. Like I said, I’m just super super concerned right now about trying to get this relationship with Grace moving forward because I feel like I’m just being a cat and mouse situation where I’m just sitting here, the monkey in the middle, Daniel in the lions’ den situation.}}
 
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{{green|Clark: Yeah, that could be true.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Uh, I did threaten, uh, Columbia Records, so maybe there’s an issue with that?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh yeah, that could be a problem.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I’m trying to drop an album in January-February, but I’m behind schedule on that. I’ve told both public defenders I’m behind schedule for the album this year, so I’m already fighting for two albums next year. I’ve already started that. Um, it sounds like the relationship with Grace is real. *to other inmate * Um, I’m busy right now. *to Clark * Um, but yeah I- * talking to other inmate * What? I can’t, I can’t allow that.}}
 
{{purple|Other Inmate: Fucking hang up the phone.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Uh, I’m not, I’m not-  I’m not gonna fight with you. I’m not-}}
 
{{purple|Other Inmate: *unintelligible *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah.}}
 
{{purple|Other Inmate: And you’re on the fucking phone}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I AM on the fucking phone and you- you want- do you want me to fight you? Because like, literally I’m not gonna have this game. I’m on the phone with somebody.}}
 
{{purple|Other Inmate: You’re a joke.}}
 
{{red|Daniel:  I’m on the phone with somebody! Relax! You’re a fucking joke! You’re trelve (twelve) years old for getting upset at me for being on the fucking phone! What the hell! *chuckles , back to Clark * Sorry.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez! That was scary.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I know, like what the fuck? So yeah, no, ‘cause everybody at the jail is like, also getting upset because I was supposed to be released like you said.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right? And everybody at the jail is getting pissed off for me, like, not, they don’t think I’m telling the truth and it’s starting to really affect the people at the jail getting angry at me, calling me a liar.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no that-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So yeah, like, it’s actually going to get bad here soon. I’ve been in four fights with CO’s, but…}}
 
{{green|Clark: Geez, wait, was that a CO or another inmate?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, um, that’s another inmate but I’m just saying, CO- it’s to a point CO’s are threatening me over Grace too, but anyways I gotta go, they’re putting us on lockdown early because of what just happened, I think.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, bye.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Alright, bye.}}
 
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==== November 19 (1) ====
Daniel called Lil Sippy and explained his situation and his tensions with Clark.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7awQQyoggZQ</ref>
 
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{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, ok cool. }}
 
{{red|Daniel: I got it like- got it like, early early last week.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, nice!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But yeah, but anyways um, yeah. I would like the book that is the $16-ish dollar one. The first one.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, cool.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I don’t know if it- is it the lyric book or the full songbook?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: I think it’s a book on how to play the song on piano, and- well, I think one of them’s piano and the other is *burp * ukulele.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK, then yeah. Um, I want the one that’s the ukulele.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, cool. Hopefully they still have that in stock. Um…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: *chuckles * I’m so sorry. I- so, you know what I mean. Bob, well not Bob, but Griffin and you are targeting each other, *laughs *and you know what I mean by that, right? You’re- he’s saying bad things about you, you’re saying bad things about him, and I’m to a point where it’s like, I really don’t know which- what is which, so I’ve decided I’m just gonna kind of leave that alone and kind of just leave it.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I just- I’m just trying to do what’s in your best interest and help you out. I do have some news about Grace though. She was spotted in uh, Florida with a- uh, have you heard of the uh, dubstep artist, uh, Ava Braun? She’s from Berlin, Germany.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, the dubstep artist, uh, who? Ava…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Ava Braun.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Ava bronze, she was spotted with in Florida?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, and Ava Braun was wearing a “Free Daniel Larson” shirt.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And, and… OK, and so Ava bronze, right, was wearing a “Free Daniel Larson” shirt and it’s posted.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: And she- yeah, and she was hanging out with Grace VanderWaal. They were both at the beach together, I think it was yesterday or the day before in TMZ.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And they were at the beach and they were hanging- OK, my lawyer, my f-, excuse my language, but my fucking public defender, *laughs * I hate to cuss him out, but he is not talking to me about what’s going on with my mother after I’ve repeatedly asked him like, what’s going on? Nobody other than you has talked to me about what’s going on with my mother.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, it was weird, I was trying to find, ‘cause people were saying “oh, she’s”}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s- yeah, well Donna, first of all, is my mother’s sister. She always talked about her. So I’m like, you know that Donna-}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You know Donna?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I know her, yeah.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I know her personally, I’ve met her in person. It was like, over 5-10 years ago before I- before my grandmother passed in uh, 2018, 2019, somewhere in there. But um, I uh- I just haven’t even heard from my mother since, really. And Bob was stopping me from talking to him- talking to my mother, so that is another problem.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: That’s weird.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I’ve asked Bob for her numerous of times, he’s refused and I said, “do you know what’s going on with my mother?” and he’s like, “no” and he said that somebody keeps reaching out to him claiming to be mother, this was in 2023 and he told me that he was- he is refusing to talk to her because he can’t confirm if it’s her or not.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, it’s just weird to me that the only evidence of her being dead is the Facebook posts. There’s no obituaries, you know, normally when someone dies…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And… there’s no way- right. It would be like, updated somewhere so I wonder if like- she just disappeared or what? Like it’s creepy.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. Do you s-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Nobody knows what has happened to her, and not only that, um, so Griffin yesterday, right, told me that he was in Florida as well, but no joke. He told me he was in Florida as well. So, if Grace was spotted in Florida as well, that makes sense. That is-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Do you still think that he is Jacob Sartorius or that he is trying to steal Grace from you?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Possibly I- I’m to a point, well another is Griffin did tell me that I could believe he’s against me, it doesn’t bother him.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, he might be.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, I’ve called him out numerous of times, he said that like, he says I can believe what I believe, and yeah I hate to say it, but I believe he is still not telling the full truth, he’s either Jakob VanderWaal, Grace’s brother, or he is um, Jacob Sartorius because that would only make sense, and I do believe that yes, there’s evidence that Grace might be coming to see me very soon about the relationship and stuff. Griffin, last I talked to him, he was saying that he wants me out by the 25th of this month. Well, um, I don’t know if that’s going to happen or what, so my anxiety is going skyrocketing through the roof because of it.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: And you haven’t been- you’ve been trying to call your lawyer and he isn’t answering at all?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And I’ve tr- well I’m being told by the jail I can’t. They’re refusing to even contact him for a actual meeting for a sit-down meeting or anything, they're just straight-up refusing to even talk to him to even schedule it.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, I think you should probably- it’s probably about time to sue the jail if they’re denying you access to your lawyer. }}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and I agree. And I have the suing paperwork, um, I just don’t- I don’t know how to fill it out because I’m not a lawyer. That’s the only problem.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You don’t think somebody else on the pod might know how and could help you fill it out?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Possibly. I would have to go around and ask, and I don’t know if anybody would know how to. Um, but yeah I did actually get two stamps, so I could mail it out anytime starting today. I could mail out the paper. Um, also, um, I- so I got my minutes for the phone renewal today, so I can call whenever we need.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Good.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, if there’s an emergency or whatever, I have phone access. Um, the, I guess- so the last thing I’ve talked to Griffin, right, the very last thing I said to him was, so we know I’m innocent, we know because the VanderWaals are witnesses, everything. I asked him if he knew if Grace is even working on getting the apartment in Colorado. He told me that Tina is kind of being a problem right now, the courts are not cooperating with the VanderWaals, and there’s- Tina’s concerned about legal obligations moving forward. Well, and then-}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: From… from…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hold on, one second. Then Griffin said as well in that same phone call that he wants to try to get me out by the 25th. I’m to a point to where all I know is that on the 25th, something could happen. I don't know what it is, um it’s weird. But I believe something is gonna happen around the 25th.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, from what I heard, Grace wants you out but Tina and the court system are not cooperating with her.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, it’s- that’s probably because Tina is not cooperating.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, that’s probably the issue is if Tina would just come forward at this point and agree like, we made a mistake, you know this guy was homeless and he was being told lies, you know? Then I’m pretty sure the courts are gonna be a lot more lenient.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: I don’t- it’s-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I just don’t know the full truth-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know the truth, and I’m surprised, like Grace isn’t just… you know, trying to get a hold of me at this point. If she’s wearing “Free Daniel Larson” shirts and everybody is in contact with her wearing those and all this crazy stuff going on, I don’t know why she just doesn’t, you know, she’s not a minor so she can be her own legal guardian, she should be. She should just 100% be herself and just call me or try to get a hold of me. I don’t know, but it’s weird and it- things are not looking good. It looks like I’m expected to be transferred sometime in December to Springfield if I don’t hear back from Tina, and it’s not looking good right now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, the 25th is less than a week away, and then we’ll see if Griffin is lying to you or not when the 25th comes around, but I’m sure the VanderWaals have a lot to do with your case, but I think the government is, well if you take a step back and look at it, you were doing so good, you were about to sign a several million dollar record deal, people were saying you should run for president when you’re old enough, you were so successful and then I think the government just said, this guy is too successful, we need to, you know, cut him down enough. Yeah}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No, I agree. I agree, I think I was becoming way too successful too fast and just like, Trump, pretty much where they just are like, nope, we don’t want this guy, he’s gaining too much power too quickly, and the government just tries to screw things up and that’s exactly what happened. There’s nothing on my end that says that I should still be in custody, and even my legal paperwork in my legal discovery, it says, um, the legal presumption of the- on my indictment, it says the legal presumption of detention is NOT, and NOT is highlighted, NOT applicable to this defendant, meaning I should have never, and they still went ahead and held me.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But they still… yeah. You should at least get a bond so we could bond you out, but they won’t even give you bond!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t think they’re gonna do a bond, and if they do a bond, I’m pretty sure they’re gonna try to take all of my record label money and keep me homeless.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. I don’t know. It’s a big- it’s very confusing. I think the main thing we should focus on right now is the relationship with Grace and making sure that nobody messes up your relationship with Grace.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That’s what needs to happen, yeah. Another thing is Griffin keeps saying that he’s gonna come visit me and that Grace is coming too.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: I know, he lives in St. Louis, so that’s pretty far.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, well St. Louis is the same state of Missouri which is scary too, because he’s like, “I’m gonna come visit you when you’re in Springfield”, and I’ve been told by several people that not to trust him, including Bob. But the thing is, if he’s in contact with Tina, you see what mean? And he’s trying to help out, or helping out with whatever. I don’t wanna lose that contact because he’s helping. I’m in a rock and a hard place.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Definitely. I think- uh, I don’t know. Are you gonna allow him to visit you in Springfield, he might have something up his sleeve.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- to be honest, I don’t trust him. I don’t trust him with that. I trust Grace, and I trust, um, I trust Bob and maybe Tina.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, tell them to have Grace visit you.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But I’m to a point I’m losing trust in just, the entire legal system at this point on top of some family.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I would just tell Griffin, have Grace visit you alone instead of him and Grace, just send Grace.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, but anyways I gotta- I gotta go, OK? The phone’s about to cut out, I’m gonna try to get a hold of him next and see what’s going on, OK?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, give me- keep me updated. Have a good night.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright. Alright, bye.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Bye.}}
 
 
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==== November 19 (2) ====
Later that day, Daniel called Clark. The call was divided into three parts.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1gvfg6m/nicholas_has_been_using_ai_to_get_daniel_on_his/</ref>
 
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{{red|Daniel: Hello?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Hi Daniel!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey, we have a serious problem.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Shoot!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I just had a legal call for the first time since October, early October, OK? And my public defender has told me to cut permanent ties with Bob, my- not an impersonator, the real Bob, told me to cut ties with, um, Nicholas, he told me that he confirmed the Interscope Records being confirmed because it’s the- uh, it’s the Janick at interscope.com, so he confirmed that being real, but he confirmed or, he told me that, um, my legal discovery that he sent me, everything in the legal discovery is fake, is what he told me. Not real information, and he told me as well that, uh, Grace doesn’t want me, she doesn’t like me, she hates me, and everything is a scam.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I mean, we thought that could be the thing with Grace, I mean.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I, it’s scary at hell. Like I do not know what’s going on, and, um, I guess… for my public defender to cut ties with Bob because he’s trolling as well is just crazy, and also my public defender told me that he did not know at all about my mother passing away, and I told him, “well, I guess I’m gonna sit here and suffer, because you’re doing nothing for me, and if you want me to become incompetent, I will become incompetent” is what I told him.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Because I told him, I have not been transferred yet, and it sounds like you guys are trying to frame me to where I become incompetent, so I will be more than happy to do that.}}
 
{{green|Clark: What did he say about that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And- he told me, another thing is he told me that if I’m not out by the end of December, he’s gonna drop the case in January. I told him I do not care about the dropping the case in January, the case needs to be dropped now, and right when I said that, the phone call hung up.}}
 
{{green|Clark: But that- jeez!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So I don’t know if he hung up on me, or what happened. But, it’s bad. It’s really bad, like it’s a point I think he’s affecting my mental health on purpose just to piss me off, and that is not good. I- I probably shouldn’t even talk to him if he’s gonna piss me off the way that he’s doing, and especially since he’s telling me that the legal discovery that has the conversations of Grace in the flippin’ legal discover that he sent me, is now she’s denying is just fucking ridiculous.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, that makes no sense. Why would he even send it in the first place?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and then I told him as well that I- cause this is crazy. You told me you were in Florida, and on top of that, I got a um, picture sent of I guess, yesterday or something, OK? And it was Grace and another singer, Ava something, Ava I forgot the last name, but they’re wearing “Free Daniel Larson” shirts.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Weird.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And they’re in Florida, which is exactly where you said you were going.}}
 
{{green|Clark: How do you know they’re in Florida on the picture?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They’re on the beach, they’re on the beach. I don’t know if they’re in Florida or not, but they’re somewhere on a beach. }}
 
{{green|Clark: That-  she’s probably in California I would assume, it’s more..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: She’s either in California or South Carolina.}}
 
{{green|Clark: True. Myrtle Beach.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Myrtle Beach, or something. But to go along with that, I *sighs * I don’t know what’s going on. I don’t wanna cut ties with you and I don’t wanna cut ties with Nicholas right now, because you guys-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{green|Clark: * coughs*}}
 
{{red|Daniel: You guys have so much information, you see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Exactly.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: From before I got arrested, and you even confirmed that at one point, you know that the relationship with Grace was real. That is important. My lawyer is telling me that I’m crazy and that I should be in Springfield.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That- I mean, I don’t understand that, because I should he was saying that she was, she knew who you were so I guess she knows who you are, but she doesn’t want..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: She knows who I am and is wearing “Free Daniel Larson” shirts or something, and I guess is somehow selling merch, which maybe is the merch that you’re sending or putting out, right? Because you said you were going to at some point, you never got to the point of me getting money yet, because we were still working on it.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, but I never ended up doing it. Yeah, I never- I haven’t even received any money ‘cause I, I think Flexburger is receiving that, I don’t know how, but…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, but you also told me that you had, you were in contact at one point with Flexburger, but he’s stopping talking to you or something, or something is happening there.}}
 
{{green|Clark: I thought I was… yeah, it’s a whole- it was back in the beginning, but I don’t- I haven’t seen anybody selling anything with your merch on it since last year.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Weird, OK. Wow, OK. Yeah, because I’m clearly being targeted.}}
 
[Part 2]
 
{{red|Daniel: So, two more things.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Nicholas, Nicholas showed me, I guess over the phone, a video recording. It’s a recording of, I guess an AI version of you, somebody is trying to do AI of a conversation with you and Tina where Tina says that, or Tina says or something like, if I would cut ties with you, and I guess uh, Nicholas at this point, I would already be out.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s AI- Yeah he’s a liar.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But the thing is, it to me sounded like it was AI.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Also, at the same time, why would that even make sense in the court of law right now? Like that, Nicholas is obviously obsessed with me. He was sending- he sent stuff to my house. He sent me note carts with your face on it saying that, stuff like titled to my parents, and he tries to call me every day. Yeah, he’s a weirdo.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Oh, wow. OK. He- yeah, no, that is, that’s weird. Um, ‘cause I was thinking about cutting ties with him, but I- it’s weird right now, so I’m just kind of going by based off what’s going on.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I’d be very careful. Yeah, I’d be careful, very careful.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK. I see: It doesn’t look like I’m getting out according to my lawyer. It looks like he’s just- I shouldn’t even talk to him. I should not talk to him. He’s just going against everything. When was the last time you talked with uh, the PR manager?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Uh, like, two or three days ago, and the last I heard was that- since then it’s been pretty much radio silent. I agree}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK. Put me at the flippin’ halfway house! Put me somewhere where I’m just waiting on pretrial, that’s their own fault! Haha!}}
 
{{green|Clark: I agree, I agree!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, if they’re concerned about me getting out and getting housing or something, then there’s options that the court has! Figure it out! Jeez! Like, *sighs *}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s their way, a lot of time’s being wasted.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, no that is ridiculous, that’s crazy! And if the VanderWaals never even filed- *gets cut off *}}
 
[call suddenly terminates]
 
{{red|Daniel: Right. I- I think that, ‘cause I’ve learned a ton of communication skills since I’ve been here in custody that I didn’t know prior to my arrest. So, I’m to a point to where now I’m learning all these communication skills, right? But I can’t use them, that’s a problem.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s true. I mean, that you probably learned, ‘cause people have been trying to mess with you or fight you and stuff like that.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, now I’m learning that people are trying to mess with me and fight me and now I’m just pissed off at everything, and I’m now waiting on proof and I have proof that Grace is involved, I have proof that she’s not pressing the charges, which confirms the relationship. I have multiple proof that she has been posting online, there’s proof in her songs about, um, where she even admits talking in an accent. I mean, at this point, I’m just to a- I’m to a point I’m just like, everything is just conspiracy and I’m being thrown around, you know what I mean? And I’m going off, like I said, I’m going- since I’ve been arrested, I’m going off of the information that I have proof of. That is proof. That’s evidence.}}
 
[video cuts]
 
{{red|Daniel: (tran)sferred sometime in December, and that even though he said I wasn’t going to a prison, it’s not his choice anymore.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Weird, so he’s like done trying to fight, I guess? I don’t…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- I don’t know, but he said that everything he told me is no longer applicable because the prosecutor went ahead and decided that they were going to try to send me to prison, which is the Springfield. And I guess as well, he’s trying to target Tina and you and Nicholas, saying that because there’s been one issue, they- it’s automatic that nothing is gonna work out. But there’s no proof of that because he says I have to be deemed competent before they can go ahead and just, you know, explain. So I guess he went ahead and sent me my legal discovery even though I was incompetent, which goes against what he was saying to begin with.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Weird, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, it’s very weird. So, I’m sitting here calling out my  lawyer today for all the mistakes that he’s done, and just going like, “the guy is messing with my mental health, I think that is clear.” I think he’s trying to make me incompetent, and I realized that. I think things were going great and things were on the move, because Nicholas told me as well that Grace was posting online or something, and it’s- she’s giving hints that she’s going to be coming to Colorado soon, and possibly to come see me.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I don’t know about- uh, I mean, as far as I know Grace, re- as what your lawyer said is Grace wanted no part, but we don’t know that. We don’t know that.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: We don’t know, because when you talked to- when you talked to their- her PR manager, her PR manager said that we’re basically waiting on Tina. That’s what she- that’s what the PR manager said.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, so I guess we’ll see, I don’t know. I would for now just keep focusing on trying to get out, because they might be mad about that you bringing up Grace, that might be a reason they’re deeming you incompetent, right?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: *sighs * Well, I don’t care. You know, if I’m in the relationship with Grace, and if, you know, Grace and I were going to, uh, look at housing and stuff, houses and all sorts of stuff, trying to get things squared away, and the feds intervened, and then told me that everything was fake, that’s not gonna fly. I- you know, at this point, if that is true, Grace is a family member. So, I’m not gonna just be sitting here and being told that, you know, I’m gonna come into defense and I’m gonna try to protect my family legacy.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no, I agree, especially since they’re messing with you at this point. *coughs * I mean…}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right.}}
 
{{green|Clark: I mean, I’ve heard, I’ve…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So at this point, I’m just to a point to where it’s like I don’t care if I’m in contact with you, it’s not affecting me at a jail, I don’t- I mean, as long as I’m getting proof, right? As long as I end up getting proof in the end that what I’m being told is the truth, then that’s all that matters.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no, and once you get out, we can start getting back on track, but for now we’re just stuck and…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, I- I guess as well, the courts are concerned because I have nowhere to go.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Maybe, I don’t know if that’s the case, but if that’s also the case, it’s either the court needs to put me on pretrial services, or I just need Tina to come forward and they just move forward with the house that we were looking at. I don’t know why I’m getting the blame, I’m sitting in jail. I don’t have access to a computer to see what Grace is posting, and I don’t think Grace is trying to get angry or trying to get me angry or something, I just don’t think, you know, I think whatever they’re trying right now is just not working.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, it could be just some different communication-}}
 
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==== November 23 ====
On November 23, Daniel called Lil Sippy and says that he will not be listening to his lawyer.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H45kVcfggA</ref> Lil Sippy had sent him a Grace VanderWaal song book in the mail.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxf5X8W7wxnNejG_X96XlAaSuJUVMfiGH_</ref>
 
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{{green|*Lil Sippy’s phone rings and he accepts *}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from}} {{red|Daniel Larson.}} {{blue|This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5.}} {{green|*Lil Sippy presses 5 *}} {{blue|You may begin speaking now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Hello?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey, so I got the songbook.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Is it good? I don’t know what it’s about, is it- do you like it?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, no, it’s great, but there is a issue I also found out, and I was able to fully verify with evidence.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What’s that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, we already know that Tina, right?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Is lying. She’s been in contact with me, the uh, VanderWaal Studio account I’ve been in contact with, so she’s lying about almost everything. Um, another thing that I found out is, if you listen to a lot of Grace’s songs…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re about you. Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They’re 100% about me, like every single song. Without me, her career would be going down the drain.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And not only that, with Tina being completely not helpful right now, it’s only making things worse, and I think I figured out why my public defender is saying that Grace is out of picture and everything. And it’s serious.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Why’s that? Why is he saying that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, I- first of all, I was looking at the lyrics, more direct, OK?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And it is… she’s actually in a couple of her songs, mentioning the- there was a picture of me, OK? That was videotaped, well not really videotaped but I guess taken a picture of while I was in the shower, and it got leaked all over the internet, OK? It’s one picture, and it was taken behind my back by a person in my disability housing and I was fully nude.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: At that point, Grace was underaged back then.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Now, because it got leaked to the internet, Grace around that time was- and I were planning to go on tour. We were talking about going on tour. We weren’t actually serious or even talking about a relationship, you see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But Grace saw the picture of me, right? And I guess her mother misinterpreted that video, OK?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: How did her mother interpret it?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: She thought that I was into, I guess children and was a pedophile, but the thing is that was never the case, OK? So then, right, so this was way back in like 2020, OK? In 2022, Gra-  uh, Tina reached out to me and said, “stop talking to Grace”, or “stop talking to the people claiming to be Grace, it’s not Grace.” And that was the video, or that was time right in 2022 where in my legal discovery, I said to Tina which Tina is lying in my legal discovery, but I told Tina that day when Grace was at her family’s, or at her mother’s or something, and Tina denies that Grace was in contact, Tina contacted Grace because she was sitting right next to her, right on the couch or something, and Grace admitted to being in contact with me all along behind Tina’s back.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: You see what I mean? This was in 2020, or no, 2022. This was in 2022.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Mhm. Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And when this was going on, that’s when Tina got involved was in 2022.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: If there was never supposed to be anything sexually related other than in 2022 when Tina started getting serious about looking at houses in Colorado, see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So at that point, the relationship was at some point around there, confirmed. You see what I mean? My biological father lied to me as well, saying that he was not in contact with Grace when he was, as Bob told me-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Bob told me he was not in contact with Griffin or Tina at the time, but yet Griffin and Tina both told me on VanderWaal Studio’s account, Tina told me that she was in contact with Bob.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So what are all these people’s motives for lying to you?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, I- that’s what I’m trying to figure out is never once, just because I had pictures of models and stuff on my phone, and I- Grace wanted me to talent scout, and I guess her modeling or whatever she wanted to do, I don’t fucking know. But she wanted me to become a talent scout for Interscope Records at some point, and somewhere along in there is when I started looking, going through social media as a talent scout, looking for other artists.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Never once was it anything sexual, but because of the picture, right, back in 2020 that got leaked to social media, ever since then I’ve been a victim of sexual assaults.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: On the streets, um, other people are coming up to me, just in general trying to say, you know, “hey, you know, you’re a pedophile.” Never once was I. See what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re just trying to- they’re trying to frame you.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They’re trying to frame me now, and Tina I think, because Tina did talk to the FBI, there is proof of that, I think- and Griffin. I believe that the FBI is just lying to them without the full verification, and I was- also on top of that, somewhere in like the first or second interview I had with the FBI, I was framed to admit to somebody claiming to be Tina, I don’t think it was, but it might have been, where I actually admitted that I was because I was asked five or six times in a row, I just kind of grave up and I started like, saying whatever, you know what I mean? Because I was asked so many times.}}
 
 
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, you were coerced into it.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Co-herced (coerced), exactly. So this entire thing is cohercion, and because of my autism, you see what I mean? ‘Cause I don’t know if I have autism, but I think I do somewhere or, who knows, it might just be trauma from everything, I don’t fucking know, but you see I mean, is- because I was asked like six or seven, even when I asked the FBI to stop asking because it’s not true, they continued to ask me and I ended up straight up just saying, “yeah, no, it happened.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re trying to coerce you.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Never once- right. And then if Tina, and my problem is if Tina actually somehow got a hold of that information, now Tina’s like, “OK, now this entire situation with my daughter, I’m not going to allow.”}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: And then- and now she’s trying to use it against you-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Use it against you and then blackmail you?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: In a way, yes, and what she needs to end up knowing is none of that is true. Everything was coherced (coerced) by the FBI and Secret Service. They were asking me so many times, even after I asked them to stop. I had nobody with me because I was homeless, to step in and just say, look, this needs to be- this needs to stop. This is turning into harassment. And that’s why I was going on social media saying, look, Daniel MacDougall, or Daniel MacDougall whatever his name is, was harassing me and was putting out misinformation, and every single right to be concerned about that, and to be scared.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah it’s-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And nowadays it seems like, in society, we cannot ask for help, because when I asked for help, they accused me of what I was asking for help with. They turned it around on me, and now I see Tina’s point, I- they could go bankrupt if you really think about it, they could go straight up bankrupt in lawsuits at this point because there’s so much that has happened.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, that’s what I was just about to say. It sounds like you need to sue the FBI.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And that’s gonna be very very difficult to do, very very difficult. And not only that, another thing I found out, Griffin told me he wants to have me out by Christmas, but my public defender is saying don’t talk to Griffin, don’t talk to you, whatever, Tina we already know is saying that. But the- but here’s the thing. In January, my public defender is saying if I’m not transferred, he’s gonna drop the case.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, that much is true, I know that, ‘cause..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That much is true, the thing is, if they’re gonna drop the case, then they can’t even transfer me. That means they don’t have a case to begin with, which means they can’t transfer me as long as I’m still in custody. The only thing they could do is outpatient, which means I should be able to walk out this door today, and of course I’m not gonna do that because I’m in custody, ‘cause that would be like running away from, uh, or escape. So I’m not gonna do that, but I’m just saying that, if that is really true that they’re planning to drop the case in January if I’m not transferred, I am not going to be transferred and the case is gonna be dropped. See what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, hopefully you don’t get transferred.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well the thing is, the way I’m looking at it is they cannot legally transfer me, because you have to know, see what I mean? What drop the case means. Drop the case means I’m going to trial, I’m innocent. They can only keep me in custody and transfer me to another facility where I’m going to be in custody if they can find me guilty, and they can’t because they’re saying that they are dropping the case in January if I’m NOT transferred.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That makes no sense from their point of view.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, it’s something weird going, they’re definitely-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: There is something very very weird, and then my public defender is saying, as well as Tina, don’t talk to your fans, don’t talk to your friends, don’t talk to Tina, don’t talk to this. There is no proof anywhere where it says right now that I’m not allowed to. I have rights where I can contact friends and family. They’re trying to go against my legal right.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: They’re trying to violate your rights, they even said don’t talk to Bob, right? And you’ve known Bob for how many years.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and Bob’s still not answering, and I’m to a point after I’ve asked him repeatively (repeatedly) to help, and he’s refused as well. I’m just- I don’t want anything to do with him anymore. The only issue is, I kind of feel, after reading Grace’s songs and everything and just listening to everything, because I’ve listened to her songs forever, but I’m just saying. After listening to Grace’s songs more, I really feel kind of the same way that Grace feels on a lot of things. I don’t know what to do, you know, I’m concerned about the picture being leaked, it’s not my fault, and…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, yeah. It’s- it’s… it’s kind of like a, it’s like a Romeo and Juliet situation. You want to be with Grace, Grace wants to be with you.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And very very much- well, she wants to be with me, but at the same time, because of that picture…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Tina’s saying get away.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, but because of the picture that got leaked on the internet or whatever, she also can’t get that out of her mind, she can’t- you know what I mean, ‘cause she was underaged at that time.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So just watching me being homeless, and watching me struggle in life is really, in my opinion, what’s bringing her into everything, and wanting to be with me. It’s- so..}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, ‘cause she’s going through the same stuff, and other- yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, ‘cause it’s like Romeo and Juliet. She’s tired of seeing me suffer, and that’s turning into love. Kind of like a victim and victim turning into victims loving each other.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Definitely.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That is, that’s not good.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Well, I would say, as long as Grace wants to be with you, it’s- you know, it’s good.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- I agree, but at this point I feel like I shouldn’t be in custody anymore, they’re gonna drop the case in January if I’m not transferred, they should drop it now, but anyways, I gotta go ‘cause the phone’s about to cut out, I’ll try to call you back either tomorrow morning or later tonight.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night. Bye.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, bye.}}
 
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==== November 25 ====
Daniel called Clark on November 25, where he revealed that he got into a fight with another inmate.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G3dVhQfbo4</ref>
 
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{{green|Clark: So where did that even, that fight happen yesterday? So your old cellmate, did he like, just come up to you at- in the evening?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It was, it happened like, in the cell after lockdown.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, so he just came up to you and just like, sock punched you in the face I guess?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Not exactly like that, we went on lockdown, and then he started saying, “oh, you know, um, Grace is not in contact with you, she never will be, your legal discovery states it.” Um, and I said, “well, that’s not true at all because you don’t know the true facts, and it- my legal discovery is out of date”. It’s clearly out of date, and if she really didn’t like me and she didn’t want the relationship, she would’ve pressed charges.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah. True, true.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And the label would’ve too, and he went all berserk over that.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jee- Jeez, did you have to go to the nurse or…?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Nope, no, I mean, surprisingly enough I wasn’t even bleeding that much but it was enough to give me a black eye, so I put in a kite to see psychology today to let them know, ‘cause I have a history of hitting myself, and I’m gonna let them know that like, they can’t trust everything-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: …can’t believe just anybody. Because people are like, actually trying to accuse me of my past, rether (whether) things are true or not, and then that turns into, like, trolling and blackmail at the same time.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez, so they’ve been- there’s people in there trying to troll you too?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Oh yeah, no, it’s- people are starting to troll, people are starting to- it’s… just the friendships in here are just starting to really get like, too close, if you know what I mean? And then they just start going over the top until it’s no longer funny, and then people get in a fight over.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, well, hopefully did they move your cell after that fight yet, or are you still with them?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, they moved my cell, I’m still in the same unit, but I moved to cells because there’s no issues when we’re in the day room. The issues are only with particular cellmates, and they’re- when they’re on lockdown. So, with the right cellmate, everything is perfect. Right.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK. Yeah. No, that’s a good thing. Hopefully your new cellmate is better, that- your old cellmate was probably a pedophile or something and was just like, I don’t know.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I- I don’t know, I don’t wanna say something that isn’t… *with Clark * true…}}
 
{{green|Clark: True, true.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: …but yeah. Um, it’s… um, but besides that, I’m doing OK. Um, I’m just waiting at this point, I mean, being on lockdown so much in a six by, or 8 x 4 cell, it’s really not fun at all. *chuckles *}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah. No, it’s not, and I’ve-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Especially when I’m innocent, and the case is gonna get dropped anyways, it’s just- it’s bullshit.}}
 
{{green|Clark: It’s like, why haven’t they done it already? It makes no sense. I don’t get that.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t get that either, because I wanna be with family on Thanksgiving, and also at Christmas because I haven’t been with anybody for like, years on the holidays so I actually want to spend time with family and friends for the holidays and I’ve learned my lessons, I’m not gonna make threats anymore.}}
 
{{green|Clark: I believe you.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But the thing is, I just felt like I was in danger, and that’s why I made the threats. I felt in danger and that’s a legal right.}}
 
{{green|Clark: I mean, at the same- at the same time, they know you weren’t capable at- it’s not, you’ve never even had a weapon in your life, so I don’t understand why they thought someone- you could even make a bomb or get to the White House, or even… so that’s the main point. Especially if they’ve deemed you mentally incompetent, how do they deem you competent to make those threats- it makes no sense! *laughs *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right. It doesn’t, and I mean, the only thing they could really do is charge, like, plead guilty to the threats themselves, but I have enough evidence to prove that like, I was homeless. I was on probation and the probation officer was court ordered that they get me housing, and they never once even talked to the case manager that works at the probation department, like really? They can’t communicate with that case manager or whatever the person was that was supposed to help with getting housing? The feds come and arrest me AT probation the day that they were supposed to actually have that meeting over housing.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah. Exactly, that… they…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So they just- they were just being all stupid about it on purpose, and that’s not OK, because my public defender is like, “well, we have proof that you were trying to do everything right. We have proof that you were on probation, it was court ordered. We have- you know what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Clark: You were still showing up, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, I was showing up to everything, and then on top of that, my probation officer was giving me food from their food bank, whatever thing, food closet?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Bank, yeah. But stuff that you couldn’t even make. *laughs *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And it was all microwaveable. But microwaveable or you have to cook on a stove. So how, like if I’m homeless, where the heck am I gonna find boiling hot water to cook like, rice or cook enchiladas? ‘Cause like, I’m just saying, like, how, like- that is just not realistic at all.}}
 
{{green|Clark: No it’s not, that’s a point you should definitely bring up to your lawyers.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I did, I did.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, also…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I already brought all of this up to my lawyer, and he’s like, this is why he deemed me incompetent. He was like, because, from what it sounds like is he doesn’t even have time for trial on his caseload. He’s way too busy, so he’s just deemed me incompetent, put on this wait game and he’s like, well you’re innocent, we’re gonna try to get you out as soon as possible. Like, dude, like really?}}
 
{{green|Clark: And at the same- yeah. Do you think he like, do you think he reads the reddit and stuff?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, he, well the crazy thing is he says he’s been a follower of mine for a long time, so he already knows a lot of information.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I heard that he printed off a comment about him from the reddit and it’s in his office.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I have no clue, but, it’s…}}
 
{{green|Clark: *laughs * Oh also, a good question, is your hair super long, or did you get a haircut recently or how does that work?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I have not gotten a haircut. Nobody wants to do my haircut, because they don’t know what’s going on with the record deal or Grace, and it’s inmates that do the haircut.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And so the inmates are concerned if the record label or Tina, because I got deemed incompetent, like has, um, owns my public image or something.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So the inmates don’t wanna do the haircut, so I’m just sitting here with my hair, like, down to my chin. *laughs * until I get out, because I haven’t gotten a haircut all year.}}
 
{{green|Clark: *laughs * Jeez! Yeah, I figured. I was like, dang your must be- it’s been six months, you hair must be down to your shoulders!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: My hair is almost longer than Grace’s.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like literally I wanna say the same or longer-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: …yeah.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no, so yeah, I guess all we can really do is wait till January and it’s not too far from there, and I mean, I’m glad you're staying up and just keep having hope, and keep doing your classes and proving everyone wrong, and I think you’ll- I mean.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, and then also, I’m just gonna be in contact with you, and I’m gonna be in contact with Nicholas more as like a, friend while I’m in here and then I’ll do whatever Tina wants once I get out.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, that’s smart. And then, also I think when you get out, you’re even more popular right now, you’re gonna easily be able to make money with people or… I mean, people think you’re out every day for some reason, everyone’s like, “oh, did Daniel actually get out?” because people post.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That’s- that’s crazy. But anyways, the phone’s about to cut out, um, but it’s good to know that I am more popular than ever. That’s good, alright?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Alright, I’ll see you later Daniel.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, bye.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Bye.}}
 
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====November 27====
 
Daniel called Lil Sippy on November 27. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrnSQkYFaXk</ref> Daniel now says that his release date will be in January according to his public defender, and also confirms that he has been resorting to hitting himself in jail.
 
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{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from}} {{red|Daniel Larson.}} {{blue|This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To-}} {{green|*Lil Sippy presses 5*}} {{blue|You may begin speaking now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Hello?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey, there’s a major problem going on.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What’s going on?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So Griffin is not getting back to me, Bob is not getting back to me still, um, my public defender keeps lying to me about Grace completely, but on top of it, Griffin, um, I think- two days ago now, confirmed with me. Have you seen the post on social media from Grace directly, OK, and it says “fuck ass Bob” is what it says?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That was really Grace, and the reason why she was saying it was because Bob wasn’t getting me housing. She was angry and pissed because I was on the streets getting misdemeanor charges and I was being lied to by the, I guess the public defenders and law enforcement saying that my relationship with Grace wasn’t real, and so now that the relationship is confirmed real, with Griffin, ever since then Bob has gone completely silent, won’t answer any calls, I’m not getting money on my books. I got in trouble here at the jail from the commissary because I put in commissary slips without any money on my books, because Bob just won’t answer the calls, so I got in big trouble with commissary over that. Um, and then, also other inmates are now buying me commissary, which I owe them back. So issues are starting to show up, and not only that, because I pleaded guilty to all the misdemeanor charges for being lied to pretty much, because the only reason why I pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor charges to begin with over the course of my life was because I was told that Grace’s relationship wasn’t real and the courts would get me housing, which is why they ordered the housing through probation. Which probation, as soon as Grace came forward and said, “No, the relationship is real. It’s your guys' fault you guys aren’t even getting him housing.” Then it became this war back and forth of he said, she said, so I shouldn’t have pled guilty to anything, and now here I am in the feds, and the feds are refusing to release me from my understanding, and my public defender says in January he’s gonna move to drop the charges because they have evidence to prove I’m innocent. But my public defender is saying the relationship with Grace never happened and was never even real, and I told him like, “why did Grace leak- a leak on social media, the fuck ass Bob post…”}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: “...and why is she posting about me and all this crazy stuff?” You see what I mean? And he got pissed off at me, hung up the phone on me and is refusing to speak to me now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Why does he keep denying the relationship with Grace?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know. I have no clue why everybody is denying the relationship with Grace, and Grace is the only one that keeps coming forward time and time after again, and Tina is of course concerned about future legal obligations, well the legal obligations have to do because the relationship was real, and I’ve been sitting here pleading guilty to shit all along. And Bob wants me to cut ties with Griffin, but Griffin just also confirmed with me that he’s been in contact with Bob for years! So they’ve been talking behind my back, and now all of a sudden they’re like, “oh, but you have to cut ties with Griffin.” Fuck no! Like, there’s no law, there’s no nothing that says I have to cut ties with my family.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. What- wh…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So I’m just being- I’m being thrown around in this crazy loop, and I came forward yesterday to psychology saying that like, this is illegal, that’s what’s going on towards me and it’s getting to a point where it’s really like- I demand mental health treatment once I get out, because I’m affected.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So what are Bob and Griffin doing behind your back?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Apparently, it’s the phone calls that are getting leaked. Tina’s pissed off at it, Bob’s pissed off at it, my lawyer’s pissed off at it, but in my legal discovery it straight up says that the courts can record the calls, though they’re the ones leaking it. Not Grace, not the feds… I mean, well, it’s the feds and the courts, but it’s not Grace and it’s not Griffin, you see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: So it’s Bob?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It *groans * no, it’s the courts and the feds that are leaking it, leaking the calls because it’s in my legal discovery.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s the same thing that you told me where the fans are just getting it off this website because of the new law that got put in place a couple years back.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, so…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That’s how they’re getting it, and what’s crazy is I’m being blamed for that. I’m being blamed for that wall, like what?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Who’s blaming you for it?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Bob!}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh god.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: You see what I mean? Bob is like, if this ends up on social media, this call, and then I will stop contact. Well, he stopped contact. Now Griffin has stopped contact, and this is going on three days in a row or whatever, me not getting a hold of him.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, B-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And then, on top of that, my public defender is like, “oh but we’re dropping the case in January.” If they’re dropping the case in January, they should drop it today!}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, and Bob just needs to step up to the plate and get the money back on your books and get your housing and stuff.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, because it’s ruining not only my life at this point, but my public defender’s now not believing shit because of it. I don’t know if that’s the exact- what’s going on there, but it’s clear that like, what’s going is just not OK.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I’m 100% innocent and I should be out, let alone being lied to about my own fucking family at this point?}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: (It’s just) a lawsuit on top of a lawsuit against the feds!}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, definitely. So I was reading more into the uh, BOP’s new phone policy in January if you’re still in, hopefully you’re not, but if you are, it says you can still get free phone calls if you’re in programming.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, I’m not gonna be in programming ‘cause my case is supposed to get dropped, but that is an issue. That’s a big issue. They’re just fucking everything over completely.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. I don’t know what Bob’s and Griffin’s deal is, but they’re…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And Griffin is saying he wants me out before Christmas, but my defender is like nope, that’s not gonna happen, you’re gonna be transferred to Springfield. Well, the thing is, I’m not gonna be transferred to Springfield, and they have to drop the case since I’ve been lied to about my fiance which is why I made the threats and was homeless, and Bob wasn’t getting me housing because he didn’t know what to believe. Nobody knew what to believe.}}
 
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, and I don’t know what’s going on with Grace. Why is she not signing up for, you know, a visit or something?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, I don’t know either, but there’s something big going on and I believe it’s because of legal obligations like Tina was saying, because of how bad things have become.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah. *yawns *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s- it’s fucked up. It’s not right, and what’s stupid is, even if I’m in the feds because I plead guilty to the misdemeanor, like the criminal trespasses when I was homeless, when I was being lied to about my relationship, now I’m sitting in here suffering. Because, you see what I mean? They’re gonna give me all, like full-time for the probation.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But for a crime that I really never committed, just because I was homeless and I’m trying to sleep on a fucking sidewalk doesn’t mean shit.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But you’ve discharged off probation for the misdemeanors now, right?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You’re still on probation in there? So…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So if I get- if this gets dropped, I don’t know if I’m going to have to go into uh, to the county jails, do you see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, you might be on probation hold or something. Do you know when you discharge off probation?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Nope, I don’t.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And like I said, my public defender won’t tell me shit.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I don’t know what his problem is.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, won’t tell me anything so, and then he deemed- he just claims it on the fact I’m incompetent. He can’t do that, he has to tell me what’s going on, let alone if the- I have proof that the relationship’s real, he can’t call me a liar. He can’t, and then by him calling me a liar, no wonder I go back in my cell and start punching myself in my face and start, you know hitting myself until I bleed or something just because I’m being lied to! Which is..}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, he’s constantly saying the relationship is fake and, I don’t know what his problem is.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and I know the opposite. But being lied to, I don’t know why and that’s what’s affecting my mental health. Not, you see what I mean? Like, this is just all fucked up.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I’ve been trying to text Bob, he hasn’t been answering.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well Gr- yeah, and Griffin told me he was texting Bob too because of the relationship with Grace being real, and like I said, Bob just went completely dead silent, and Tina’s telling me just to lay low and not worry about the relationship and worry about getting out, but as soon as I said that, well, Tina said that, and I started talking to my public defender again because he started coming into the picture. He just started arguing with me on the phone, creating this big fight over the phone, and I’m like “Uh, weird.”}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Huh. I don’t know, maybe Tina’s telling you to not worry about the relationship, ‘cause she’s trying to sabotage the relationship.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: *sighs * I don’t know, but it’s really really affecting me at this point, and it’s only making things worse. Like, I’ve sent a kite into psychology now demanding that my case gets dropped and I get mental health treatment once I’m out, because being incarcerated, let alone being lied to is affecting my mental health so much.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: *inhales, sighs * Yeah, I don’t know, hopef-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And on top of that, it sounds like Bob all of a sudden wants me to put out more music on distribution, but my public defender told me my career is over, meaning that I’m going to plead guilty to something, like a felony or something. But then…}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: He can’t force you to plead guilty.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But THEN, he can’t, and then on top of that, he says, “but in January, we’re gonna move to drop the case.” Well, dropping the case, we already know what that means, dropping the charges. So why doesn’t he just drop the charges now, I don’t care if it’s, you know, the prosecutor because he told me the prosecutor said in January. That’s what he told me along with you, but I believe that if they’re saying that they’re gonna drop the charges that they already know I’m innocent. So since they know I’m innocent, they just need to drop the charges now because Grace wanted to be here for my birthday, and that got canceled because I was in custody. And Grace also can’t come visit me because of the BOP rules.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What are the rules?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They have to be like, either married or they have to be on paper, meaning that the relationship has to be already like, on paper, like marriage.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But she-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And since we’re not on paper, she can’t come here. Bob also can’t come here because he’s not on paper.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: But she can marry you in the jail though. But Grace could get married with you in jail, couldn’t she?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: She could, but I don’t think she wants that. She wants an engagement cruise to Hawaii and to Disney and then she wants our wedding I think, I think she was saying something like in the UK or Japan or something.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, OK. Yeah, I don’t know, but at least you could- she could answer the phone or something, you could call her, but she doesn’t seem like she’s doing anything.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So… right, but anyways, I gotta go, this entire situation’s all messed up, and um, things are not making sense along with the relationship, let alone being lied to, I’m kind of to a point I’m having enough of it. *coughs * So, it-}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, definitely. We gotta figure out what’s going on with Griffin and Bob behind your back too.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, um, anyways I gotta go, OK?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, talk to you soon.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, bye.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Bye.}}
 
 
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==== November 29 ====
Daniel and Lil Sippy had a short phone conversation on November 29, where he states that he is concerned for his safety in jail as he is being targeted by other inmates and CO's. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lai2erkXqs</ref>
 
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{{green|*Lil Sippy’s phone rings and he answers *}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from}} {{red|Daniel Larson.}} {{blue|This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To block this-}} {{green|*Lil Sippy presses 5 *}} {{blue|You may begin speaking now.}}
 
 
{{red|Daniel: Hello?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Hello?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey, there is a- there’s a big issue going on here at the jail.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: What’s happening?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, all of the inmates, all the inmates got- I guess, told their families or whatever to look up my, um, popularity on social media and other inmates were also looking at my legal discovery and my case has certain things that are blacked out, like blacked out.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And now the inmates have turned everything into a joke on purpose to try to piss me off, and general popu- I’m in PC, I’m in protective custody, but general population and certain CO’s are trying to team up to kill me.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, um, have you talked to Griffin or Bob about it?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Bob is not answering my calls, he hasn’t been in a couple months now. Griffin is- every time I call him, he’s just like, I don’t know why you’re not out, Tina’s still playing this waiting game, she wants you out, I don’t know why you’re not out. My public defender is saying still, that I’m not in contact and never was with Tina or Grace, but there’s proof otherwise. My biological father just doesn’t really wanna talk about anything, let alone help me right now and things are just not looking good, and other inmates are saying that my public defender’s still having court without me and I’ve already been designated so it’s, people are just saying things and doing things just to piss me off on purpose. But anyways, I gotta go, they’re locking everybody down right now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK, talk soon.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They’re doing a weekend holiday count.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright. Alright, bye.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Bye.}}
 
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==== November 30 ====
Daniel called Lil Sippy on November 30, revealing that he may be losing his phone privileges. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg-yJmxwdD8</ref> The SIS (Special Investigative Service) had also allegedly contacted Grace and Tina, who are now filing a restraining order against Daniel.
 
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{{blue| Automated voice: This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To bl-}} {{green|*Lil Sippy presses 5 *}} {{blue|You may begin speaking now.}}
 
 
{{red|Daniel: Hello?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Hello? Hello?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey, um, just to let you know this may be the last time I can call.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Oh, why’s that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, yesterday I got called out by the SIS, which is like the head investigators and I guess the head team of the jail….}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: …who deals with investigations. You probably know what SIS is because you’ve been to prison before. I got called out by them, they said they contacted Grace on my behalf when I told them not to, but that’s besides the point. They went ahead and did that, uh, behind my back and Grace is threatening a restraining order now.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: The real Grace is threatening a restraining order? Why’s that?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That’s my understanding, I don’t know, just because the CO’s are calling. I don’t know any other information other than that, I’m just going off of what SIS has told me and then they’ve also told me to stop contact with everyone or they will be shutting off the phone, and to be that’s a deliberate threat, not only towards me but that’s a threat to the VanderWaals, Grace. Um, especially if my public defender is not telling who I can and can’t contact, that’s my public defender’s fault and then I also got threatened last night, uh, over two things, Um, one thing is that um, if I contact anybody they will throw me in the SHU if I use the phone, which goes against my amendments, my amendments, and to go along with that, they are also saying that um, Grace is not involved in my case when she is, because she’s in my legal discovery and she’s a big part of my case. And to go along with that, I also got um, told last night by the night shift to go ahead and pack my belongings because I’m getting out, I’m getting my case dropped. But then, after I packed up they came back to my cell, the night shift here at the jail, and they told me, “Oh, we’re just playing around” so I started freaking out last night going like, “why are the CO’s the last couple days just on purpose doing everything in the world to try to piss me off?”, saying I’m getting out, they came on the intercom a couple times last night telling me to back my stuff, I’m leaving, which never once happened, they were just going all haywire for some reason, like throwing me on purpose into the spotlight in front of these other inmates.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yes.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know the reason behind it, I don’t know why I’m getting the blame…}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Especially being targeted by me trying to just do my time and get out, and all I want is just to know what’s going on with me and Grace, that’s all I want and nobody is even helping me and psychiatric here at this jail is telling me that my mental health is doing better, but I’m in my cell every single night punching the living crap out of myself on purpose beating myself up to where I have cuts and bruises all over my skin and all over my body because psychiatric is just telling me that, “oh, you’re doing great” when I’m not, and I’ve told them that, like I told them like, I don’t know who to believe anymore. My public defender is not doing his job,  I don’t know why I got deemed incompetent and they’re not talking to me about my case. I’ve been sitting here six months and then psychiatric tells me that “oh, you’re doing great” and I just start punching myself in my face till I have a black eye because I feel like they’re just playing me on purpose trying to piss me off, and I feel like I have a lawsuit against that.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, you don’t-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But also, I sent in the BP-8 or whatever it is, the paperwork, the um, Prisoner Complaint Form and um, mail sent it right back to me. They are refusing to send it out.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: You talking the uh, the suing paperwork or like, a grievance form?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yes, the suing paperwork. They’re refusing to even mail it out.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Wow.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And then they’re threatening to throw me in the SHU over it.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: It sounds like the CO’s and them are trying to sabotage your relationship with Grace.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That’s what it sounds like too, and then also Bob is, um doing the same thing, he’s not answering the calls. Griffin said um, a couple days ago now that he thinks I should be getting out. He’s in agreeance with that, that I should be getting out, but then he hung up the call on me. He refused to talk anything else and he said, “I don’t know why you’re not out” and hung up the phone, that’s literally all he said. And then, also he, Griffin, admitted to being in contact with Bob.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Hmmm. So, what are they doing? Are Griffin and Bob..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So I don’t know. Bob is telling me, or he was telling me that um, last time I talked to him that he was not in contact with Griffin, but Griffin and Grace’s mother I know for a fact ARE, and I have proof of that, I have actual proof of that on my phone, not in jail, but my phone that Bob actually has, I have proof of it. To go along with that, um, I just don’t know why I’m being targeted in general, but I’m being like, actually targeted for some reason, not in a criminal way or- they’re not breaking the law as of right now, but they’re just on purpose doing things that they know they can get away with just to make me as angry as possible. I don’t know why.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Definitely sounds like that.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, and then they’re trying to say, “Oh, you’re incompetent. You’re going to be transferred.” They can’t transfer me if they’re on purpose trying to make me angry as possible. Like, deliberately that- that’s actually a- that’s a lawsuit that I can do, because that’s illegal. And then, also Bob keeps blaming in my legal discovery and just over the phone calls in general, and-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Also in police reports prior to my arrest, anything that in my legal discovery talks about him, right? He is blaming that it’s all AI. Now AI robot, AI voice, AI pictures, they can- they are actually a thing, but the thing is, feel like Democrats nowadays, I’m not a Democrat but I feel like, well, I’m independent, but I feel like Democrats are blaming their mistakes on AI. That’s how I feel, and Bob is blaming everything right now, all of the videos, all of the phone calls with him that has ever been leaked on social media with Clark aka Griffin, with Grace, with Tina or people claiming to be them, he ends up coming back later and saying “Oh, it’s AI.” Now it’s already been confirmed here at the jail that, by the correction officers because I got called out by SIS and other people, but they’re telling me that it- I shouldn’t trust even my own family at this point because they’re lying. I’m actually correct, and I’m being the victim of my own family. That’s what I’m being told now, and the reason why I’m thinking that this might be my last call is because the jail staff are threatening to stop all calls from this day forward.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, that sounds like- I don’t know what they have against you. I don’t know- it definitely sounds like they’re targeting you.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know what they have against me. They’re targeting me, and my public defender doesn’t give a fuck.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, wow, so… *exhales *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And I feel like I should be able to have contact, and if I’m in the wrong, my public defender can always come visit me for like 30 minutes and tell me like, “we have proof of this, here’s the proof, if you can cease contact with this person.” They’re not even doing that, so I don’t have the proof to be able to verify what anybody is saying at this point. It’s all just words and it’s driving me literally insane.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, definitely. Sounds very frustrating, I don’t know what- I don’t know why they would wanna- So, it’s only- you’ve only been in contact with me and Griffin and your dad and Bob, right?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, he’s my- he’s kind of like a stepdad to me, he’s not my biological dad. But yeah, um, that’s about it since I’ve been arrested and not even- not even my public defender really, but since like, early October like October 3, October 4, I haven’t been in contact with. I’ve been trying to call him, he’s been refusing to answer, I don’t know if he’s dead or alive. Nobody will tell me.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, he was sick though.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: In the meantime- right. In the meantime, I’ve been talking with you the most because Griffin is not even answering his phone much, and Griffin wants to give me a number of his friend, but the SIS here is telling me, “Don’t do that”.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Huh.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Because that’s gonna add to, I guess whatever is going on and I guess as well, Tina is in communication with somebody here at the jail on a regular basis, because SIS told me this, is contact with the jail staff trying to get a restraining order on me because I’m talking on the phone about her, but yet nobody is sending me the proof, nobody is sending me anything to even match what they’re saying. All it is is just words, and that’s why I’m to a point I don’t give a fuck anymore about what’s going on. I’m just in complete violation of things myself because it’s clear everybody’s just violating whatever they feel like, and I’m just- I’m more of a guy that is like, I will do what I’m going to do until there’s proof on paper}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, it just doesn’t make sense why she would want a restraining order, ‘cause you can’t get a restraining order against somebody, um, unless they, you know, threaten you or something. But you never threatened her, you just want to make amends with her and uh, you know, get back on her good side and get back with Grace.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It unless, unless- um, right. That’s all I want is to get back on her good side, and try to figure out what’s going on and I haven’t even talked to her since I’ve been here and she’s trying to say that I either have or something, and SIS is getting in the middle of it, but yet they’re not sending me, or they’re not showing me the proof of their phone call because they’re the ones that are saying we made the call, meaning SIS made the call to Grace and Tina. I don’t even know if Grace and Tina even want that call. You see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t- I don’t know if they’re- if they were threatening SIS with a restraining order or if they were threatening me, but until I have either something on paper or I talk with Tina to try to sort this out, it’s just empty threats.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, I don’t know, I don’t know what SIS’s problem is, I don’t know why they’re messing with you, but…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And it’s not just SIS, like last night after lockdown the CO’s like I said, told me to pack my stuff and I was leaving, I- my case was dropped, I was getting out. I packed up everything and then after I packed up, I started banging on my cell door and woke up my cellie because he was asleep, it was like midnight, and then at midnight here comes the CO back to my cell and is like, “Oh, we were just playing around with you.” and I’m like, “Fuck you! You guys woke me up, told me to pack stuff, now I’m thinking I’m getting out, like you guys were saying, and now you guys are joking about everything?” so I just sat in my cell and just started punching the living crap out of myself, and my cellie told me it’s not worth it. They’re just trying to piss me off. }}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, it’s- it’s definite-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And I was like, I was like, “I understand that, but it’s not OK what they’re doing.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, it’s definitely not OK what they’re doing but hurting yourself isn’t gonna change anything. Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s not gonna help myself either, and I mean, even on top of that, um, psychiatric is saying that like, “Oh, you’re doing great.” They’re not helping, they’re not doing anything, so I’m just to a point I’m just kind of letting it escalate which isn’t good.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Yeah, that’s not good, you wanna keep yourself safe. If you start hurting yourself, it’s just gonna make things a lot worse, so.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and I’m also not- like, psychiatric is not gonna put me suicide watch or anything because I’m not suicidal, so they can’t do that and I’ve already talked to psychiatric and they’re not gonna do it because they already know I’m not suicidal.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But anyways, I gotta go, alright? This is absolutely crazy.}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, hopefully I talk to you soon if they don’t cut off the phones.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, alright. Sounds good. Alright, bye.}}}
 
{{green|Lil Sippy: Alright, bye.}}
 
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=== December 2024 ===
 
==== December 1 ====
Daniel called Clark on December 1, claiming he was sexually assaulted by his former cellmate. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPkdNSFkNcE&pp=ygUKZmxleGJ1cmdlcg%3D%3D</ref> The full call was uploaded two days later. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LNKTOJBPgo</ref> This was the final phone call that took place at FCI Englewood.
 
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{{red|Daniel: ..the legal di… for my- my computer for the phone stuff so I could use the phone and call people, they found her number in the phone thing, OK, on the computer and they decided to call her, and Grace threatened a restraining order. I have not spoken to her since I’ve been arrested, or at all, OK? I don’t know what is going on with that, my public defender like I said will not tell me anything because I just haven’t spoken to her since I’ve been in custody, maybe not even this year. I don’t know, but I’ve been threatened now over a restraining order by them.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know what’s going on, but SIS is just going haywire, and SIS here at the jail threatened to throw me in the SHU, um, over Grace. I don’t know what’s going on, I don’t know if it’s some type of attack, but I am to a point to where I feel like I’m being completely taken advantage of, not only prior to me coming in jail, but now that I’m in jail, I feel the same. Also, to go along with that, one of the CO’s got on the loudspeaker for the entire unit, told me yesterday to pack all of my belongings and that I was leaving.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez, so they were trying to get you kicked out of the unit, but then..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They- no, it was correction officers that got on the loudspeaker for the entire pod, OK? And told me that, to pack my belongings…}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: …for the course to file two things on a weekend, on a holiday weekend is very very suspicious, let alone the fact that they said they were going to like, prob- my court, my public defender was going to send in a motion if I’m not moved by the end of January- or the, end of December, right the end of December, the 31st, then I would be getting out, right? That’s what he said, but then for it to be a new four months, right? A new four months and then they cancel it, and then say “No, we’re not going another four months so he’s getting out at the end of the 31st- December 31, once again to me is very suspicious, why don’t they just drop the case now?
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, December 31. Yeah, they need to- And Nicholas, yeah, he’s very suspicious too. I think he’s being investigated as well as we speak, I mean, actually I know he is.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, Nicholas is a- I agree with that, and that’s another thing SIS called me out on, but I also feel like he’s- he sent me in the mail legal information about my case.}}
 
{{green|Clark: *coughs * Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They’re not allowed to renew the four months. At the end of the four months, it’s up to the jail um, manager or jail somebody, I forget. But, I actually have the paperwork and the rules for how they’re allowed to do the case.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, and you said you got punched in the face, but then you kind of told Nicholas that you punched yourself, so did you actually punch yourself or did you get punched?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Both.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But that was over a couple days ago and I talked to psych, and psych told me that, believe it or not, that my mental health is doing phenomenal! They said my mental health is doing phenomenal, and I just sat there and laughed at them when I came back to my cell. I was like, uh, my mental health is declining and you guys are saying it’s getting better? So what’s going on now? And that’s when I really started to raise red flags, as to what they’re teaching. It’s very, very weird, like, since Trump got in office, they’ve switched their motive on everything to, oh, he’s doing great, he’s doing phenomenal. And then I start getting all these correction officers randomly threatening me and saying, don’t talk to Grace, Grace- it’s pretty much a threatening Grace, if you really think about it.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s weird. Yeah, and do they go through-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And I’m sitting here, going like, I never really talked- I don’t know what they’re talking about, and then you tell me that the two motions came out for my release or whatever, and that makes absolutely no sense. So why do I have to wait 31-ish days now until the 1st of January before I walk out this door because that’s after the holiday and that-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It would most likely be the soonest time after New Year’s, they would just walk me out the door here, my case is dropped…}}
 
{{green|Clark: It’s almost like, yeah, it’s almost like they’re trying to give you a little bit of false hope, which is almost wrong though.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They’re trying to give me false hope is- and that’s almost wrong. I agree with that 100%, and that is what’s affecting my mental health at this point. I’ve known they’ve been doing this WAY since my public defender that I would be getting out and I would be transferred. When that didn’t happen, I started to already look at red flags as of three months ago, and then I started talking to the unit case manager about, “hey, can you schedule a legal call?” and he started saying no.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Weird, and wait-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And then he went on vacation for two weeks, and when he came back he was only back for a day, and then he went on vacation again and I was like, this is turning into, definitely me being taken advantage of, and I’m not going to let that slide.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, no, and I- I mean, is your cellmate still messing with you or have you gotten that dealt with.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: That situation is under control.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK. Did they let you write-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I got a new cellmate, I was with a previous cellmate that did rape me, um, but I reported it.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Wh- what, did he touch you? What the hell, Daniel?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: He… well it was a lot more than just that, but he held me down and wouldn’t let me move or whatever, and tried to do some stuff but I reported it and um, well another thing is the jail, um, sexual abuse whatever… report people, they dropped that case and said it never it happened, ‘cause hey didn’t have proof, so that pisses me off too.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez. Yeah, that’s wrong. Did they let you-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But they did move me out of that cell, and that guy actually got out of jail. He left to the halfway house, so that’s not good either.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Weird, no that guys-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: He goes to the same halfway house I was supposed to, then that’s a safety concern.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That is.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, the courts need to just drop the case so I don’t go to the halfway house, and also, I got money. I’ve been getting music stuff, right? My music sales that you know about, so I have money with that.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah. And you have-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And then, also, sorry one more thing.}}
 
{{green|Clark: You’re good.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I hate to interrupt.}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: So, one big, big problem as well, about just kind of how things are going, way back in early October, right? Bob told me that my music sales got down to $12 a week. That’s a big drop from $180 from $200 to what it used to be.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah, that is.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So they’re destroying my public image, and my sales are going down. I’m gonna- If I get back out, I need to find a way to get housing fast.}}
 
{{green|Clark: No, I agree, and we have to get your image looking better than always, so..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I agree. But anyways, the phone’s about to cut out. What were you gonna say?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Uh, I was just gonna say uh, I hope you’re doing well, and I hope they at least let you like, decorate your cell and something like that, because-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I’m gonna get by. I’m fighting this right now, and I’m trying to get out, but I’ll get by, alright?}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, alright.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright. Bye.}}
 
 
{{green|Clark: Alright, see you Daniel. Bye. *hangs up *}}
 
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==== December 13 ====
 
After being transferred to Cimarron Correctional Facility, Daniel called Clark and informed him that he is there awaiting transfer to Springfield. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vkoj63NiHM</ref> This was the first out of two calls that took place at Cimarron Correctional Facility.
 
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{{red|Daniel: Hello?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Hi, Daniel!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey. Um, what time…}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez, what the he-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Uh, what times are good for me to call?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Um, I’m back in the States now so pretty much anytime. Sorry, I was trying to figure out the credit card thing and everything, ‘cause your calls haven’t cost money recently, but these ones do and I didn’t know you were gonna be in Oklahoma so I’m confused on that as well so, but I’m here now.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK, so I’m in Oklahoma, um, because they don’t transfer direct.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I went on a private jet with the feds, OK? Um, from Denver to Oklahoma with about 200 people on the plane, um, it’s like a private commercial jet.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And there was like, 20 officers on the plane but, and they were I guess trained also as flight attendants but they were actual like, fed officers, um, and the flight was an hour, hour and a half. I landed in Oklahoma City and then I got here to Cimarron Correctional Facility, and I’m gonna be here until the flight- until I guess they can schedule, ‘cause there’s only three planes for the feds. When the next plane goes from Cimarron to Springfield, then that’s the plane I’m gonna be on.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, that makes sense. Yeah that’s what some people were talking about online, that you’re just in a holding and then they’ll move you to Missouri in the next couple days.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, so I finally got a hold of Bob, OK? Once again, I’m not gonna be talking about him because he doesn’t want that.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, so… first of all, you know the reason why I made the threats. Um, I don’t want to keep talking about that. I’m kind of pissed off *chuckles * at kind of everybody in a way because I felt like everybody was just talking and not actually doing or owning up to what they were saying. You see what I’m saying?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah. Yeah, I agree, I agree.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, I felt like I had to make the threats to be able to get off the streets, and I realized that I shouldn’t have done it, I don’t think I can be held accountable for the threats because it was court ordered by probation that I was on; the misdemeanor probation for housing, and my probation officer kept holding it off which he shouldn’t have done.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s true.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, so I do blame probation in a way. Um, but I was also knowing the situation with Tina and Grace, and then you, and I wanted to really kind of set my foot down and really say, “look, I care about this probably more than people think I do, I care about the relationship, I care about my future, I don’t wanna be on the streets anymore.”, and that’s why I kind of had to- I felt like I had to draw the line to bring everybody together.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no, that makes sense.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And, um… well, thank you. Um, I do realize that there might have been trolling in the past or whatever, I’m kind of pissed of my family. I’m not gonna mention names, I’m just kind of pissed off at my biological-}}
 
[video cuts]
 
{{red|Daniel: -some of my friends for blaming people without really knowing anything and then them blaming other people and family without really knowing any information, because it’s not getting us anywhere, and I think we live in a already judgmental world and we don’t need more of that.}}
 
{{green|Clark: No, I 100% agree with you. Everything was just kind of going crazy and then when the feds got involved, and then of course you have a Reddit that’s constantly posting your every move, where you are, what you’re doing, making things-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And- right, and I don’t think Bob even realized that it was really that, and I don’t think he realized that fans were actually showing up at the locations. He thought that, or just, you know, there. Wherever I was. I think he was thinking I was actually posting my location which I wasn’t doing when I was with him.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah. That’s true.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, so I think there was a big family miscommunication going on and they just didn’t believe me. Um, but anyways I- my public defender did say when I first got arrested that I wouldn’t know anything about Tina or Grace or further information until I get deemed competent.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: OK? I wish it wasn’t that way, I really do, but it doesn’t look like it’s gonna go anywhere until I get deemed competent.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Which should hopefully happen sooner or later, I mean, you’re on medication now, you’re sounding a lot better, just- I would just, I mean, keep it up and they’re gonna- they have to.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, that’s r- yeah, but the crazy thing is I haven’t even started the medication yet.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, shoot. *laughs *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: *laughs * I know, right? Like, just because I’m off the streets, I’m doing better.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That's true.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, I hate to say it that way, but it’s all because I’m off the streets and I’m getting food. Like, I was close to dying. My body was shutting down.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Is the dis- that’s true. Is this facility better than the other one or is it worse or?}}
 
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, no, it’s- I don’t wanna say it’s like, the cells are like a porta potty, um...}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh shoot *chuckles *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: *wheezes * But it’s like, you know when you go to like, a park and there’s like the cabins or whatever where the restroom is?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Or like, a shower at a sporting field.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, OK OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s like that. Concrete floor that’s dirty as hell, one toilet that’s about the same as like an actual porta potty um, or county jail, but the window is just one big gigantic window for the ceiling, um, so I can see out. Um, besides that, I mean it’s set up like- like kind of like Denver would be, Denver County Jail, but it’s run way worse. Um, and then the county is worse, so here is better}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I mean the cool thing is…  there’s a tornad- oh. Jeez. Well the good thing is that, I know you like sto- you wanted to like, look at storm chasing and all that, well Oklahoma’s got a lot of tornadoes, I know that.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: *laughs * Yeah, I know. Um, unfortunately I won’t be to do that while I’m in custody.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s true, but you should be get- I mean, you’ll get out. I have faith in your lawyer and everything, I mean you’re right, you didn’t have any way of making those threats actually happen, it was just you of- freedom of speech of saying things, and you were stressed.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Freedom of speech, right. And I didn’t see even the government really helping. I didn’t see it, and so the fact I even like asked for help so many times-}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: -on holds, somebody should have done something.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That- yeah. Instead, everyone was just worried about getting you arrested or trolling when someone like you got the- they failed you, the housing- disabilities failed you, they all just gave up on you I guess.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, it’s that and I also know that Tina was in contact with disability housing way back, and then I randomly got arrested and they ditched me, they kicked me out for some reason and I think I freaked out because I got randomly got arrested not knowing like, exactly what was going on. I was on a walk and I came home and nobody was there, and the police showed up around the corner and said, “you’re trespassing on private property” and I’m like “uh, no, this is my house” and they went up and, you know how I used to have the karaoke machines?}}
 
{{green|Clark: *chuckles * Oh yeah, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They were playing the- they were playing my karaoke machine and my music in the garage with the doors closed and everything and they refused to answer for the deputies, you see what I’m saying?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, that’s bullshit.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But the deputies could hear my music and they were like, “OK, well we have no other option, but there is a warrant for your probation and we’re coming to get you. It’s a PR bond.” They took me, I stayed the night, I got released on the PR bond and went back to the house, and Reva told me, which was my case manager um, at DDRC- told me to go ahead and try to get in because they don’t- they can’t just kick me out. Little did I know, the entire company that the housing people were through, um, not Reva but the entire housing company a day later came forward while I was sleeping on the street night, they came forward and said they had a full-blown restraining order against me.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And I was like, “a restraining order? For what?”}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, that’s bullshit.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Because- and apparently it was because they called in. I was trespassing on private property, and my stuff still is at that house. I was never able to get it.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I mean- oh I guess you talked to Bob. Did he say anything about your mom? Is she OK, or…}}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So *sighs *, it does sound like my d- my mother is passed away. Um, it does sound like it’s confirmed. Um, I don’t know anything legally as far as it, but um, it does- it, it’s- last I’ve heard from my mother, she was paralyzed as we know, and she was going blind.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So it was clear that her body over- everything was malfunctioning.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no it-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I don’t wanna hold up the phone and, you know, ‘cause it’s  costing.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: When I get to Springfield though, the calls are going to back to being free.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, perfect.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, and I’m- it’s set up like a hospital, but it’s completely, um, I’ll have, pretty much for my understanding almost all day, any time of day I can call, so we can like, set up like, actual times, whatever works best.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK. OK. OK, perfect and then is- do you think they have like, video calls there or no?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t know, but I will give you permission to come visit.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, I do have to be careful because I mean, just because of your past with you trolling and- I don’t even wanna say you were trolling because I don’t think you were. Um, like I said, I think people are being over judgmental, with very little information just because you were leaking phone calls, I mean- that’s- you’ve already apologized.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, exactly.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, and if you get held accountable for it, I don’t- you know, I’m to a point to where it’s like, I’m not gonna be affected. You see what I mean? That’s on you, I’ve already said that. Um, but I just wanna let you know, I’m doing OK. The only bad thing is I’m starting to get used to being in institutional life.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Uh, because I’m in a cell so much, I’m just used to that cell life and that’s the only thing that’s not good right now. That, and of course me and Grace because I’m concerned about that because, like literally I just- we already know I care a lot about her and just, our relationship ad our tour that we were planning. I don’t know why Tina keeps of course, doing this flip-flopping is what I’m calling it at this point, flip-flopping back and forth.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, and I also don’t know why Dave is being so silent about everything. Um, and it-}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, it’s kind of weird, and I mean in Springfield I think will change your, uh, since you won’t be in a cell there, it’s more of a hospital so maybe you won’t feel as institutionalized.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well I’ll be institutionalized, but it’s gonna be a little different.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, yeah. OK}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, it does look like I’m gonna be in custody at least another six months, maybe a little bit more, but I’m to hoping to get-}}
 
{{blue|Automated voice: You have one minute remaining.}}
 
 
{{red|Daniel: OK, we only have one minute. But I’m hoping to get out next… like, hopefully within six months to a year. I’m really praying, alright?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Alright, yeah, we’ll just keep fighting.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, anyways, um, keep me updated if you hear anything else about Grace and what’s going on.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: If you can, let her know what’s going on. Um, I don’t know if you can or not. But I’m gonna go, um, feel free to um, talk to my lawyer if you need anything, OK?}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK. See you Daniel, stay safe.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Alright, bye.}}
 
 
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==== December 23 ====
Daniel called Clark from Cimarron on December 23, 2024. During the call, Clark is in a restroom at a gas station and gets interrupted at the end of the call. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf8UEbPKyKA</ref> This was the second out of two calls that took place in Cimarron. {{collapse top|result=Transcript}}
 
[transcript starts 4 minutes into the call]
 
{{red|Daniel: Hello?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Hi Daniel.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey, so I got, um, good news.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, OK, what do- what we got?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So yesterday the US Marshals, the Marshals Service, US Marshals were here at the jail.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Geez!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, somebody that works for the US Marshals, they answered questions for me and made any issues going on at the jail. Um, any issues with staff at the jail, um, stuff like that. So I told them about the issue with my public defender and how I got deemed incompetent. I just kind of told them, like, I’m having issues with my case, OK? But what they did tell me, ‘cause I told them as well about the, uh, if I’m not in Springfield on the, um, 31st which is exactly what I was told, was I have to be in Springfield, that’s what my public defender said. And then if I’m not, my case will get dropped. The US Marshals Service told me that it’s in the words that I have to be at Springfield because I’m at Oklahoma, um, at Cimarron and I’m, um, also in transfer. If they never said anything about transfer and they’re saying I have to be at Cimarron, or I have to be in Springfield which I’m clearly not, then they will drop my case and they’ve seen this type of thing before. They’re saying my public defender and the prosecutor does not drop my case, that’s a violation of the 4th amendment. I’m not quite sure what the 4th amendment really is without looking up the, all the amendments, but currently…}}
 
{{green|Clark: I think it’s a cruel and unusual punishment.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, uh, I think because- and then there’s also like, I guess something that has to do with words or something like what people are saying, so it would be going against their word. Even though I’m in transfer, they should have either told me to be in transfer which they never said, and they also said, um, that the US Marshal service told me that I would also have to um, oh my God… if they really want me to be at Springfield, they could have done it this week.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah. Did you talk to the Marshals about like, your past situations and getting like, trolled in the prison and people like, assaulting you or whatnot?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yes I did, and they said that that should not be going on and that also counts as a cruel and unusual punishment because they are also dropping all the Prius (threats) that I’ve ever put out, they’ve dropped, um, for the harassment and reports that I put in from the correction officers themselves, they’re all getting dropped. Um, and so, the thing is they’re just not caring like they really should, um, and they’re not separating, if anything they should separate. You see what I mean?}}
 
{{green|Clark: I agree. }}
 
{{red|Daniel: The- and they’re not even doing that. There’s no resolution, there’s no nothing. But the good news is I told Bob yesterday that we should start going ahead and planning for my release. Um, Bob told me that he is still paying my phone bill.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s good.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So, that’s a good sign because I must be getting out soon because he was wanting to be paying my phone bill.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s true, he has hope. He has hope.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right. Um, so, I told him hopefully I’m out in January, I don’t know. Um, but at this point, I don’t think they can continue to hold me because they keep saying they’re dropping the case, they keep saying all this stuff, they’re not doing it so at this point, even the Marshals Service told me it’s cruel and unusual punishment. Um…}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, why would they take you to Oklahoma for no reason if they weren’t gonna take you to Springfield? That makes no sense.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They- what they should’ve done is because I know this is the transfer- because they don’t do direct flights for some stupid reason. I don’t know, but they don’t do direct flights. They should have just planned this earlier.}} {{purple|[another inmate laughing]}} {{red|That’s what the US Marshals Service is saying. If they really wanted me in Springfield by the 31st, they would have already planned it before the holidays.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Geez, OK, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, and then not only that, um, I decided that because the situation with me and Grace, and what’s going on with that. I’ve kind of decided that we’re going because Grace said that we were engaged and um, that was before I got arrested. We were looking at houses, I’ve decided once I get out, I’m going to try to just leave off where- or start off again where we left off. I’m just gonna start looking at houses again and um, the money that I have saved so far, I’m just going to throw towards the apartment or whatever. I’m just gonna- I’m gonna worry about that within the first month.}}
 
{{green|Clark: I mean, I- that’s smart, but at the same time I thought the VanderWaals want nothing right now, and you’re gonna have to get back on their good side, ‘cause I don’t think- I think talking about them is just making the courts and everything mad because they think you’re crazy and that the-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right- to be honest, I really don’t care about what the courts think about me and Grace right now. I really don’t.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Because, like, they don’t have a say. They’re not really and… [cuts out]}}
 
{{green|Clark: So… hello?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yup, the Grace situation is not actually in my charges, nothing. I was never given a restraining order form, because there’s no restraining order. What- when I was at court on the very first hearing that I had on my arraignment, they- the judge even said that like, “I don’t care about the VanderWaals.” Like he straight up said that.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Well, I mean, in other news, did you learn in jail about that um, that hitman that killed that CEO in New York?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I did, I did and that is scary.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, that’s like the- probably why some big news going around.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: But also, like I said, I’m deciding I’m just gonna worry about what- like, trying to get out as soon as possible. And my plan is to, like Bob is saying I need somewhere to be. Um, I’m aware of that, I don’t know if the VanderWaals will just meet me at the jail and I will just do whatever they want because I want to focus on me and Grace, and not only that, um, but as well as like what’s going on with the…}}
 
{{green|Clark: * mutes his mic, to viewers as Daniel continues speaking* Clark, saying I try every time to tell him that Grace is fake. He doesn’t listen. He doesn’t. *unmutes *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Um, if I get released and then they’re wanting to hold off for the time being, until I get the apartment, then my best odds is just to try to get out and get the apartment.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no, I mean they- obviously that or a halfway house because they might force you to go to a half-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, well, here’s another thing. I would have to plead to a deal, like a plea deal to go to a halfway house. And I don’t think that they want to, per the VanderWaals they would want me to plead guilty because I would be pleading guilty to a felony.}}
 
{{green|Clark: For… I mean I honestly-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And if Grace is saying and Tina is saying that like, they don’t want me in and out of jail then it would be best to just try to resolve everything.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, but at the same time it’s probably, you gotta focus on yourself too. I get what you’re saying but, I mean, so how are you doing in the Oklahoma Cimarron? Is the food- do they serve food? Do you get to go outside or anything?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and I wish I could talk to Tina, I wish I could talk to Grace, I don’t know if that’s something that they are, would be up to at this point. Um, I have no way to check right now, um, but I’m clearly um, wanting to try to figure out that stuff.}}
 
{{green|Clarkl: Yeah, I mean I can't really help with that right now, ‘cause I don’t have contact either and I pretty much haven’t talked to Bob or anything either, and I don’t want to get everything mixed up, I’m just worried about-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Well, yeah, and another thing I don’t get is why everybody is saying that the relationship, the relationship with Grace was never a thing when in my legal discovery I think every single lie from Bob, from like, my biological father, from Dave, from Tina and Grace, including frickin’ *unintelligible *. So I can see every single lie that I- before I even met Grace.}}
 
{{green|Clark: There were a lot of lies. I mean, there were a lot of lies, so I mean that’s probably why people are trying to doubt it.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They’re just trying to- I mean at this point, what the court system is trying to do is they’re trying to sabotage my career, and they’re trying to sabotage my relationship with Grace because they’ve already- I mean they already said I’m the victim and that means from my public defender, and they also said that like, my case should be dropped.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Dude, I mean I agree that your case should end up being dropped. Uh, also at the old jail, did you ever meet that Jared Fogle?}}
 
{{purple|Woman: *walks into bathroom * Griffin, get your ass out here.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh- *hangs up *}}
 
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==== December 25 ====
Clark called Daniel on Christmas Day. Daniel had moved to Grady County Detention Center the previous day. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbRffLa5lUs</ref>
 
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{{blue|Automated voice: …connect this call. Your current account balance is, call, dial 1… to reject this call}} {{green|*Clark presses 1 *}} {{blue|Charges for your call have been accepted. This call is subject to being recorded or monitored except for privileged calls between attorney and client.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hello?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Hello? Hello, Daniel?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Hey, how are you?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Merry Christmas, pretty good!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Merry Christmas to you. So, I have emergency news.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Uh oh, is it good or…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No. So I am at Turkisha (Chickasha), Oklahoma.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: In a stupid county jail. They fucking moved me from the place I was at to here with no date on when I’m supposed to be moving, no information, nothing.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That makes no sense.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And my- yeah, discovery and the VanderWaals and apparently the relationship. But he will not talk about anything until I’m out of jail, and he is denying contact with Bob. Bob on the other hand is denying contact with you, the VanderWaals and my father, my biological father Travis Larson.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez, this is a whole mess! I just don’t- why did they move to Grady County Jail? That makes no sense, you were already in Oklahoma!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and I’m less than like, an hour away. Like, everything is useless and not only that, everybody now is just denying contact with everyone whatsoever, and my legal discovery says otherwise, so there is some undercover something going on. There’s contact going on they don’t want me to know about.}}
 
{{green|Clark: I mean, I completely-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And I call bullshit.}}
 
{{green|Clark: No, I agree. That makes no sense and the fact is they were supposed to, they’re supposed to have you in Springfield by January 1st, and if they don’t, you were supposed to be released, but now they’re trying to do some twisted things and move you all around Oklahoma and now you’re-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, they’re trying to do some sketchy shit and they’re- sketchy things and unfortunately I am calling manipulation. I think that they are just trying to manipulate everything at this point and they’re just trying to do sketchy stuff, just like what you’re saying.}}
 
{{green|Clark: And I mean, and I kind of did a little bit of research on the jail you’re in right now, and it’s even- it’s probably the worst one you’ve ever been in. I mean, just based on what I was reading online as it’s one of the worst.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s one of the worst, yes, that is true. There’s nothing. I’m in the cell with no books, nothing to read, nothing. Literally nothing but a 23 hour lockdown.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yes, that’s weird ‘cause 20, yeah, 23 hour lockdown. There’s even like, that famous uh, Tiger King guys in your jail apparently. That Joe Exotic guy.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t even know, but yeah. Um, also my father is saying as soon as I get out of jail, I need to contact him ‘cause he’s got information, but he will not speak to me while I’m in jail.}}
 
{{green|Clark: That’s- that’s rude.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And he was complaining- he was complaining about $10 for a phone call, and Bob is still on and off doing the same thing.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I mean I wasn’t- I’m not complaining about it, I just had to set up an account on that website and of course your county won’t let you do messages, video calls, the only thing you can do is this, is apparently what I found out. Like, they have nothing. I mean, you’re in a terrible place.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They- yes. Yes, I know. But all I can say is if I’m not at Springfield at the medical place by the 31st, on January 1st my case needs to get dropped because otherwise it’s gonna be manipulation and that means I can turn everything into manipulation as well, and then they really won’t have the case.}}
 
{{green|Clark: No, I agree. I mean, it really doesn’t make sense legally. I’ve even talked to some people in the legal standpoint, they just- they don’t understand. They say, if you’re deemed incompetent then why aren’t you somewhere where you can become competent, you know? It doesn’t make any sense. They’re just keeping in a random jail in the middle of Oklahoma and thinking you’re gonna get better, that makes no sense.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, and then also, I guess to go along with that, also kind of ridiculous but I do have some more information about my, um, oh my God, what was I gonna say real quick? Hold on. Um, about my competency bullshit.}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK, OK.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Springfield is supposed to be competency restoration program. I was deemed um, incompetent because Grace ordered, from my understanding Grace ordered the mental health evaluation. The mental health evaluation was supposed to get done in Englewood, OK?}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yes, yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And somewhere along the line they deemed me incompetent to withstand trial. Those are two separate things.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, you’re right.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Those are two separate things, and not only that issue, but then I found out that they were saying that my relationship was not real with Grace, when I first got arrested my public defender said that after the 45 days at Englewood, then I would go to a competency hearing. At that competency hearing, if they deem me incompetent my case gets dropped, but if I am incompetent and my case gets dropped, they can order me to go to a medical facility in the BOP like Springfield for 4 months.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Then apparently they did the competency evaluation without me, OK? My legal discovery on my indictment, it straight up says that um, I was, apparently they’re claiming that some higher company or like, I am a employee of another company meaning that this other company or whatever company is, is being held accountable for my actions.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Weird…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Which is weird because unless Bob or my father signed the contract, you see what I’m saying? Behind my back, then there would be no contract ever signed, unless verbal.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no I don’t think-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And unfortunately there is no such thing as verbal unless just the relationship.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, no I’m pretty- you have, you should be have a full ownership over I mean, yourself and everything. Like, you’re your own adult.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, exactly and for some reason, they’re saying that that is not true, they’re calling me a liar and my legal discovery is acting like I like Tina or somebody, Grace has legal guardianship over me which is very very suspicious.}}
 
{{green|Clark: What the… yeah, that I mean…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And it doesn’t say that, but it says that I am a, uh, what’s the word, um, for, like an employee of a company breaking the law under a…}}
 
{{green|Clark: I don’t know.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s got a name for it, but yeah, um that’s what it says.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez! I mean, that- everything just seems like a whole suspicious active case and…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: It’s very very suspicious and if anything, it should be that I am a company.}}
 
{{green|Clark: No, no.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And they’ve already found me the victim, but yet they’re just throwing me across country in all these stupid jails like it’s a joke, and I also found one of the people that works here at this jail was one of the people that met up with me that went to Oklahoma State University.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Dang, and I’m confused. You said you were-}}
 
{{red|Daniel: One of the people that was shooting off the fireworks in the parking lot works at this jail.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Gee, I mean that..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: So something crazy is going on.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Wait, you said you were on a 23-hour hold but you were calling earlier so do you phone in, like you’re able to access or how does that work?}}
 
{{red|Daniel: No, so just because of Christmas they’re giving me [cuts out for a second], ‘cause they don’t do like any like extra anything, so they’re just being nice to me.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh. Oh, OK, what did they feed for Christmas? Anything good or…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Absolutely nothing!}}
 
{{green|Clark: *chuckles * What? There’s no…}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And Bob just, I mean is being kind of a jerk about everything. He’s like, I need to change behavior around, I need to change myself around and I’m like, dude, like how am I supposed to do that when you kept me homeless when even my father says that you, meaning my dad- my mentor Bob was straight up being the issue all along.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I mean, I can’t believe that..}}
 
{{red|Daniel: *chuckles * It’s ridiculous at this point!}}
 
{{green|Clark: I mean, I’m just glad that Nicholas dude is gone too, because I don’t know. He might be arrested, I’m not sure what happened to him.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: I don’t- I have no clue. He was just acting kind of weird, he was helpful but I mean, there was some suspicious stuff going on there.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: And also, Bob told me he blocked you.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh, well that probably is the reason why he doesn’t answer any of my texts. *chuckles *}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, I don’t know. *laughs * But I don’t want to hold you up on the phone, um, I do wanna ask you so, the relationship with Grace is real, that’s what we know, right?}}
 
{{green|Clark: OK. That’s what I kn- I mean, if that’s… I don’t know, honestly I don’t know, Daniel. Because I thought it was too, but I don’t know at this point.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Right, I thought it was too and then there’s evidence to say that it was and I guess as far as Tina is concerned, I keep being told that she is concerned about future issues. I am too, but at the same time I also don’t know why they’re not like, there’s no proof that they’re helping and why I’m getting mixed information from my public defender.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Oh and she… yeah… it’s crazy because Grace just- like I randomly saw my TV, she was just did some performance on like Kennedy show and like Obama even spoke at it, and there was like a TikTok clip and the top comment was literally about Daniel Larson. You were the top comment.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: What did it say?}}
 
{{green|Clark: It said like, “isn’t this who’s dating Daniel Larson?” and it had the most likes out of all the comments.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Weird, ‘cause I keep being told by all the correction officers that I am on high security.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Jeez!}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, they’re-}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: They’ve been separating me in a cell by myself.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, they- you’re definitely…}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: They did that without warning and I didn’t know why. But if Grace is going public about everything all of a sudden and even she’s talking about or, secretly sending messages about messages about me, this is getting weird.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah, I just don’t get why they moved you.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Like, I just want things to move forward at this point. I’m getting tired of it. *coughs *}}
 
{{green|Clark: No, and I would be too if I were you. I mean basically we have to see what happens in the next three or four days. It’s give or go at this point, they have to move you. If they don’t move you, I don’t know.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: They have to move me, they would have to move me before New Year’s Eve.}}
 
{{green|Clark: Yeah.}}
 
{{red|Daniel: Because there’s no bus, there’s no transportation on New Year’s Eve, New Year’s Day and then they’re off from my understanding a couple days, and then if my case gets dropped-}}
 
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{{red|Daniel: Then I would just be on my way back to Denver.}}
 
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==List of letters==
=== October 2024 ===
 
==== October 3 Letter ====
On October 3, 2024, Lil Sippy received a letter from Daniel.
 
This letter is notable for its first page being completely normal, and its second being bizarrely sexual. It is unclear if this letter is completely legitimate, but calls with Daniel and Lil Sippy point to it being real. {{Quote|Hi, this is Daniel. I am sorry for the confution, I had someone else write the letter becouse I was busy. You can send 5 pictures at a time.
 
From Daniel.
 
(P.S.) I will call soon.
 
Hi, can I ask you a few question?
 
Is the clit the same hole females pee from?
 
Is a gag reflex normal when you are about to cum?
 
Is pre-cum thick and sticky like ragular cum?
 
Doe's pre cum tickle a lot like ragular cum?
 
Can you send hoe's with captions to read?}}
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====October 21 Email====
On October 21, 2024, Daniel emailed Lil Sippy from jail, with the subject being "case dropped." <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prvklwNPKjU</ref> The email contains nothing of note, and is mostly just delusional ramblings.   
{{Quote|i need to find a way to get my case dropped and prove i am doing better mentally but i need to also get security as well. i find it also crazy that grace is involved but no charges have been pressed any my lawyer has said things that mental health say is not legal so i am also the monkey in the middle in the court system as well. i am tired of getting taken advantage of. i am innocent and i need to make that clear. also the FBI lied about grace being in contact with them and that they were going to help but never did? there is so much they said outside of interview that has been all lies so far. i don't know the truth. all i want is my own house and to be left alone at this point. i only want music on the internet and i am angry at my dad for not helping and bob for not helping. they are a peace of shit and have destroyed my life. i cant stand the lies anymore and bob never got me a manager and entertainment lawyer for my fame and for that reason i ran away from home to Hollywood CA. FUCK MY ENTIRE FAMILY AND I WANT TO MOVE TO IRAN! I WANT TO START MY CAREER OVER. THE COURTS ALSO SAY I AM NOT FAMOUSE LOL. FUCK THEM. I DONT CARE AT THIS POINT WHAT HAPPENS BECOASE I AM THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF ANYWAYS!}}
{{Quote|i need to find a way to get my case dropped and prove i am doing better mentally but i need to also get security as well. i find it also crazy that grace is involved but no charges have been pressed any my lawyer has said things that mental health say is not legal so i am also the monkey in the middle in the court system as well. i am tired of getting taken advantage of. i am innocent and i need to make that clear. also the FBI lied about grace being in contact with them and that they were going to help but never did? there is so much they said outside of interview that has been all lies so far. i don't know the truth. all i want is my own house and to be left alone at this point. i only want music on the internet and i am angry at my dad for not helping and bob for not helping. they are a peace of shit and have destroyed my life. i cant stand the lies anymore and bob never got me a manager and entertainment lawyer for my fame and for that reason i ran away from home to Hollywood CA. FUCK MY ENTIRE FAMILY AND I WANT TO MOVE TO IRAN! I WANT TO START MY CAREER OVER. THE COURTS ALSO SAY I AM NOT FAMOUSE LOL. FUCK THEM. I DONT CARE AT THIS POINT WHAT HAPPENS BECOASE I AM THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF ANYWAYS!}}


== See also==
===November 2024===
 
====November 16 Email Replies====
On November 16, 2024, Daniel sent a reply to Lil Sippy about voting, saying: <ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx7pyJGRso_GCu7CoqoXF9k7hbG6MvBhYm</ref>{{Quote|i am allowed to vote but the jail is in violation.}}
Shortly after, under delusion that Grace is cheating on him for Clark, Daniel replied to another email from Lil Sippy.{{Quote|griffin is in contact with grace and grace is cheating on me with him because i don't have housing>}}
====November 17 Email====
On November 17, 2024, Daniel sent another email to Lil Sippy from jail, with the subject being "issue". Like the October email, it is mostly delusional ramblings about Grace and Tina trying to help him get out, and how he is not getting transferred to Springfield. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1gtmifr/recent_emails_for_prison/</ref>
 
{{Quote|i just found out i don't need to get transferred to Springfield. i am already getting mental health treatment. also i am already getting the same treatment at my current jail, also because of my injury's from when i was homeless that is not mental health, also my mental health is fine. i also just found out grace and Tina are trying to help me get released but the prosecutor is not working with them. griffon is in contact with grace Tina and there PR manager, the jail staff have been trying to lie to me about grace and i to keep me in jail. grace also cant move to Colorado until my case gets dropped. also the record label contact was never signed due to bob telling me not to sign it. i got help to make the threats so bob would understand grace was never a fake, the jail staff keeps trying to mess with my mental health so i cant get released. what needs to happen is i need to cut ties with bob for now and focused on my life and grace and i. i got deemed with my mental health so i cant get released. what needs to happen is i need to cut ties with bob for now and focused on my life and grace and i. i got deemed incompetent's due to what my public image is and not my real self. i don't even need mental health help. i just need to be told the truth. also t5he nurse has checked my injury's and i wont be fully healed until a few more years from now! also my public defender lied to me about grace and might not actually be in my right interest.}}
 
====November 18 Emails====
Daniel emailed Lil Sippy for the third day in a row, on the morning of November 18, 2024. The subject was "case closed", and is more delusional ramblings. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1guh8ok/new_jail_emails_same_stuff_as_usual/</ref>{{Quote|my case should be closed because 100% everything was framed by fans and cu staff and government official's for my fame to grow and so i can get housing, bob was not helping and i have skin issues because of sleeping on the streets for so long and that is not a mental illness so the courts made too many mistakes. Tina was also involved as a witness. i don't know to what point she knows about but griffon just admitted to everything as well and so i am telling the truth, also the videos of threats and the pictures of kids on my phone was planned so i can get arrested by the feds and that is why i also agreed to being in jail so things with grace can be worked out. i don't know why the feds and the public defenders don't Liston to me. i also just conformed grace and i should already have the house. and be together and the police and feds were trying to stop that. also my public defender and the secret service has told bob to cut ties with me due to my threats but bob might be getting framed as well. griffon also just told me grace and Tina are dealing with a lot of legal issues due to the situation and cant talk not me until my case is dropped or i become competent but my public defender is not helping or talking to me so he is making things worse as well.}}
The same day, he sent an email with the subject "mental health". <ref>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqetOXwIDoxRbELMOMPZRA/community?lb=UgkxtB4Z04prTvedg35gY0abQDfHjRzUU5WR</ref>
{{Quote|i don't know why the courts is blaming my mental health history on the fact i made the threats when all they are doing is silencing me and telling me i am not allowed to say the truth? now my case is all messed up and a lot of illegal thing are happening in the court room and i have not even been at court for my sentencing. that is illegal and my public defender broke my rights by telling me i cant talk to him about my case and tried to end my career and my relationship with grace and also my suicided threats were also planned by cu students and staff. griffon also just said that is true. that means i cant be held for the threats or my posts at all. also cu students and staff had access to my social media. and they were posting the threats on my community tab. that was not even me. only the videos.}}
 
=== December 2024 ===


*[[Second Jail Arc]]
==== December 6 Emails ====
Daniel emailed Lil Sippy 14 times on December 6, 2024, where he revealed that he will be transferred to Springfield. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxAwR3YxwHBpqP0n8R2TIH5mj9J8HOB_UC</ref>  The subject for the emails were "what's going on????"{{Quote|i just got packed out today for transfer}}{{Quote|I'm on the next bus out to Springfield next week.}}{{Quote|emergancy. the feds are trying to get me to cut ties with my dad and bob and tina and grace!!!!! they are now telling me to quit my career and bob is a troll as well as my dad.}}


==== December 8 Emails ====
Daniel emailed Lil Sippy again on December 8, 2024, with the subject "sis". <ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxubCfLXiJl2QMBKhSgGn4l2W41JbzqV05</ref>
{{Quote|my lawyer told me to stop. also i am being transferred this week sometime to Springfield. i also got on new meds because they came up with an excuse for my Latuda. also i guess tina called the jail and told me to stop calling.}}
The next email had the subject "lies".
{{Quote|be carefull of lies going around that i dont shower. becuase i shower 2 times a day and brush my teeth 3 times a day.}}
The third email he asks for a pardon from Biden, with the subject being respective.
{{Quote|i might get a pardon from Biden or trump because i am an independent.}}
==External Links==
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Revision as of 01:47, 27 December 2024

For communications made during the First Jail Arc, see Jail Arc#Jail Communications

On April 30, 2024, Daniel was arrested after making several terroristic threats against establishments such as the White House. This marked the first fully offline arc in Daniel Larson history. Almost all knowledge of what Daniel has been up to since his arrest has come from communications from jail – emails, letters and phone calls – while he awaits his hearings.

List of calls

May 2024

All calls from this month were to Clark.

May 1

On May 2, Flexburger uploaded a call between Clark and Daniel, though it is likely that the call took place sometime on May 1, evidenced by previously leaked audio.[1][2] In this call, Daniel drops the bombshell that he has been charged with 7 counts of interstate communication of threats, and is now deemed a flight risk.

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Automated voice: ...call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1. To disconnect... *Clark presses 1* Automated voice: Thank you for using [REDACTED]. You may start the conversation now.

Daniel: Hello?

Clark: Dan? Jesus Christ, Daniel!

Daniel: Hey, can you hear me?

Clark: Yeah, I can hear you. How are you bud?

Daniel: Oh my God, um... I'm doing okay. *Clark stutters* Daniel: Um, the feds pretty much got me.

Clark: The feds got you?

Daniel: Like... yeah. This time the feds got me, and Bob told me that it wasn't going to happen and he didn't believe me. And, I went to probation yesterday and sure enough, the feds were there and they charged me with seven counts of, um, threats- from threats that I made.

Clark: Seven counts of threats?!

Daniel: Yup, under- under federal court.

Clark: Holy shit!

Daniel: Yeah.

Clark: So this... shit! Uh...

Daniel: And... and not only that, the feds apparently are looking into Bob for his finances and the feds are also, on top of that, now looking into my bank statements to see the real amount he was giving me.

Clark: So they think Bob was also committing fraud as well?

Daniel: They think that he's committing fraud.

Clark: Shit! Holy sh-

[video cuts]

Daniel: ...money through his bank account or is he giving you cash and you're putting it into your bank, and I said both.

Clark: Shit! And why, why did they take you up to [REDACTED]? Are you in [REDACTED] or [REDACTED]?

Daniel: I am in flippin' [REDACTED] of all places.

Clark: What the hell? Yeah I- because I missed your call last night because I didn't have my, uh, debit card or my credit card with me and I was like, alright, I'll just have to wait till tomorrow. Everyone said that...

Daniel: Right. Don't worry. Don't worry about that. It's okay.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: Um, I did also talk to the public defender. Um, I have court on Monday.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: OK, and it IS federal court...

Clark: *gasps, whispers* Fuck...

Daniel: ...they were saying that I was a flight risk and all the garbage that they're gonna say, but, it's okay.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: But they're looking at trying to put me in, um, like, basically higher security housing.

Clark: Geez!

Daniel: So, it would basically be basic housing, you know, just like *unintelligible*.

[video cuts]

Daniel: Um, they're saying that yes, I would be facing prison time if convicted but my public defender was saying that with me being homeless five years and being out in the cold, whether to point till I feel like I'm gonna die, and I'm panicking. When I panic, I say things that I don't mean-

Clark: True.

Daniel: ...and I didn't mean the threats, I don't know how to make explosive stuff like that, they said that, well, you know, that is true, you know that is- I DEF shouldn't have said. So...

Clark: Wow, that is- that is, that's perfect to say. I would listen to your public defender because he's 100% right. There's no way you could actually make a bomb or do anything that you said.

Daniel: Right, and I don't have a violent history, like, anything like that.

Clark: Exactly.

Daniel: My- the main concern the judge said is that it's one step away from doing so, and that's their concern if I get back out. And they're also concerned that if I get back out I will go back on social media and continue to make threats.

Clark: Holy crap...

Daniel: And... right. And that's what the judge said, and you know what? I'm okay doing a little bit of time, you know? I would rather show I'm gonna be good, you know than, create more issues, right?

Clark: Oh yeah, I agree. I mean, you're-

Daniel: Umm...

Clark: You did well with your 27 days, so.

Daniel: Right.

[video cuts again]

Daniel: ...call you.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: OK, I'm gonna get Grace's number, I'm gonna get Tina's. My public defender also said that they were gonna reach out to Grace.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: So they might reach out to you, they might reach out to Grace, but I did tell them that yes, we are engaged, and they're going to try to reach out to her.

Clark: OK. *inhales, sighs*

Daniel: Um, because they've wanted to let her know that like, I'm okay, and you know, they wanted to see what she wants as well.

Clark: So, are the- are the, are the charges like threats against the government or something like those?

Daniel: It's... I guess they're considering- they're calling it interstate threats.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: They're saying that it's threats and interstate threats.

Clark: Geez...

Daniel: They're not calling it like, terrorist threats, they're not saying anything like that. But they are saying, their biggest concern is apparently DDRC, they had to fully evacuate.

Clark: *chuckles in shock* Geez!

Daniel: And they're saying that that was a big concern. So...

Clark: Oh, after like, comments you made one time they had to evacuate like the whole building or something?

Daniel: Yup, and they brought in bomb-sniffing dogs.

Clark: *chuckling* Jesus Christ!

Daniel: Because like DDRC gets, took it so-

[video cuts, Clark inhales]

Daniel: Which I mean, proves kind of how stupid they are, you know, because they know me so well that like, they know I'm not gonna do that, but *chuckles* kind of ridiculous as you can see!

Clark: *chuckles* Yeah, like why would they even waste their time? They know who you are!

Daniel: Right. Right. Like, they know who I am, I don't know why they're gonna waste their time and then... and not only that, the FBI is saying things about you, um, and not only you, but now a Discord server that I know you're not even in! *coughs*

Clark: Wh- what were they... Jesus Christ, this is a whole mess now!

Daniel: Yeah, so the feds are just trying to get me, you know, like they're- they're trying to call me crazy when this is like, no, because this is what I did and it hap-

[video cuts]

Clark: I agree! Why would you lie, and- I mean, was it MacDou- MacDougall that, MacDougall that picked you up or was it different secret service?

Daniel: Believe it or not, it was MacDougall, MacDougall and he did actually say that like, in the end, he doesn't really care that I did the threats against him, which yes, is a concern and I shouldn't have done it, you know. But he said in the end, that he cares and still- you know, 'cause if he cared, he wouldn't cut contact. *laughs* It's kind of ridiculous, if you ask me!

Clark: Yeah, it's like, I guess he's trying to do his job, but then he knows you so well, he knows the threats aren't- shouldn't be considered real.

Daniel: Right. He knows, he knows that they're not real threats, and then he knows as well, you know like... his concern as well was like, he asked me to stop the first time and I didn't.

Clark: True.

Daniel: And I guess that is his point.

Clark: And he did ask, he did ask me to stop saying that I was an actual lawyer before, because I was still a law student and he did get mad about that. That was a thing that started the whole thing for me.

Daniel: Well, yeah, and I mean, you first got contact, right? It was under crazy circumstances.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: Like, you were lying for safety.

Clark: True.

Daniel: At this point, I feel like people need to announce the truth of what's really going on.

Clark: Oh no- I, I agree. It's all gonna come out anyway in the trial, so.

Daniel: Right, and I mean Tina, cuz I mean Daniel MacDougall- Dougall, also told me about, um... Tina's... um, comment, and said like, "Didn't Tina say don't contact Grace anymore?" and I'm sitting there going like, that's months ago, years ago, and since then, Tina is now understanding of what's going on.

Clark: Geez, so yeah, that Instagram comment from a while ago?

Daniel: But anyways, what I' m gonna do is I'm gonna call you back tomorrow...

Clark: OK.

Daniel: OK, um, we might need to figure out a way to put money on my books.

Clark: OK, I can help with that.

[call ends]

May 6

From a video posted by Larsonleak raw on the 12th of May, also featuring Kusari, a phone call from the 6th of May was leaked. This call is the most serious out of all of them. The calls contents contain Clark initiating a serious talk, revealing everything to Daniel, admitting his entire identity was fake.

This occurred after management was interrogated by the police due to their involvement with Daniel. Clark elaborates that due to Daniel, he had lost 2 (and possibly) jobs due to him, and that this call to Daniel was, "the most important call of his life.”

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Automated voice: ...and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1.

Daniel: Hello?

Clark: (firmly) OK Daniel, I need you to listen completely for the next 10 minutes and I need to talk to you, okay? I need you to not interrupt me and I need you to be fucking serious right here cuz this is probably this- the only time, it's one of the most important things I'm ever gonna tell you.

Daniel: OK.

Clark: All of this has been it's... it's fake, man. I mean, I'm not Clark, I'm not a lawyer, I don't work for Interscope. Grace doesn't want to talk to you, there is- Grace, the only reason Grace knows you is 'cause she thinks either a predator and creep, and the only time you've ever talked to Tina was 'cause she was telling you to back away. I mean, it hurts to say, UCLA was fake, Interscope was fake, every single thing we did, it was fake. *Daniel sighs, and can be heard breathing heavily* I mean- None of that was real, Daniel. I mean... and I can't keep leading you on here, and- and, to be honest, you do need to learn your lesson, and I- I know we've acted like friends for the past, what, 9 months, but really, you're sick, you're a sick guy, man. And I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, then I would see you send those [REDACTED] to 15 year old Sky Brown, say your things, you- you need... you need to get some help, and I've been recording everything, I've- we even worked with MacDougall for a while, and it... I... and I'm done. *stutters a bit* Like, I'm- I... like, it's over man. There isn't anything else to say. I've been lying to you, I've been faking fucking everything, um, Grace doesn't even know who, if she knows who you are, she thinks you're a weirdo, and... yeah. *sighs* I mean, and I get some circumstances, but at the same time, you really are a menace to the streets of Colorado.

[video cuts a bit]

Clark: I'm a 20 year old kid from St. Louis in community college, and I know literally nothing, so. Um, I am gonna say, I won't be answering any more calls anymore. This is probably the last time we'll ever talk.

Daniel: Right. No, I... I understand.

Clark: But you don't. That's the thing, Daniel. You keep convincing yourself, Grace and all that, it's not- she doesn't want you, like, she- I've never talked to her in her life. How do you think all our calls end up on the internet too? Like, I- I mean, you're fucked and I- I... it's, it's over, you know? I'm sorry, not really at the same time, because this has been the fucking weirdest 10 months of my life, and I've had to been talking to a pretty much pedophile for that whole time while also hurting my image, I even got fired for my fucking job in real life for this, Daniel. So *clears throat*

[video cuts]

Daniel: I mean, you do have a point.

Clark: *to person in background* No, I'm in the middle of the most important call of my life right now.

Daniel: *unintelligible* I mean, uh, to be honest, I kind of knew that you were trolling, and that's why I kept qrestioning (questioning) everything.

[Call lasts for another 16 minutes, mostly Daniel giving muffled responses and Clark repeating himself, who hangs up.]

May 9

Featured in the aforementioned video, Daniel called Clark on May 9, 2024. In this call, Daniel seeks to fix his friendship with Clark and rebuild, while Clark maintains a serious tone and tells him to take responsibility, though Daniel does not seem to truly understand his wrongdoings.

Considering Clark's unwillingness to speak with Daniel after this call, this was speculated to be the final time Daniel would have contact with outside world. However, this would later be proven false.

This was the final call to take place in Clear Creek County Jail.

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Automated Voice: ...recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1. *Clark presses 1* To disconnect... Thank you for using [REDACTED]. You may start the conversation now.

Daniel: Hello?

Clark: Hi Daniel. OK, so pu-

Daniel: Hi. I- Sorry, before you say anything, I wanna tell you that I am extremely sorry and I want to try to fix our friendship.

Clark: I mean, it's not just- I feel like you have a lot of people to say sorry to mostly. Not just me, more like Bob, and the di- the restaurants and all the people that... even Grace in a way for tormenting her and her family for the past couple years.

Daniel: I- I agree and I will take the blame, but I want to fix everything, you know? We all make mistakes and, you know, we all make mistakes and it's how we move forward. Right, and it's how we make progress.

Clark: I agree and I know that Bob's been talking to you recently, so I hope you said sorry to him and everything, 'cause I'm surprise he's even still talking to you after what everything that went down.

Daniel: I- I understand. And you know, with- with Grace I also understand what you said about it.

Clark: And.. that starts with me being honest too, and I regret even all the fake Graces and all that, yeah, that wasn't right to do for Grace too, 'cause I don't know her in real life and I know she was probably not happy with people pretending to be her for the past couple years, so that does start with us too. But, the way you took it was a little too far in some ways, and I mean, and I do think-

Daniel: *interrupts* I-I-I do agree.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: You know, I... we've been in contact for so long now, you know what I mean, I- I want us to be friends.

Clark: I mean, you do understand everything I told you though in the last call, like all of this has been pretty much made up. I know it's for you to- to know but you gotta realize that before the trial, before they think you're crazy.

Daniel: Right, and, you know, I- I agree.

Clark: I mean, and...

Daniel: And, *stammers* I do have to say that I do kind of know what, well I do know what my public defender is going to ask tomorrow, but I don't know if they're going to approve it this time or the next court date, but I do know that we're making progress in the right direction.

Clark: OK, well I think this was a good conversation, but everything starts with a couple sorries here and there. Do you have anything that you wanna say to like, everybody out there? Like, 'cause I'm getting people are gonna get these phone calls through that so I- you should, if you wanna explain yourself to everybody on, on Reddit...

Daniel: Right.. you know, what I want- what I want is, I want an apology to the entire fanbase, and not only to the fanbase, but I want, you know, an apology going out about the leaking of the phone calls, stuff like that.

Clark: And just, everything. Even Sky Brown. *chuckles*

Daniel: Just like, literally everything at this point. You know, I mean, if we go into detail, it's gonna be way too much right now.

Clark: True.

Daniel: You know what I mean? And we're on a timed phone call with, you know, money going through. I'm to a point to where, like, I wanna try to fix this with everything, and I want the real truth to be heard.

Clark: And the truth will be heard Daniel. So like, we.. I gotta go, but we'll...

[call ends]

September 2024

September 7

On the morning of September 7, 2024, Daniel called Clark from the federal prison, and had their first conversation in nearly four months. Daniel talks about how he has been in protective custody for the last few months, and how he may be transferred to a psychiatric facility in a different state.

This call reveals the unsurprising fact that no matter how much sense people try to knock into Daniel, it never works, as he is still thinking about Grace despite being told that he is not in contact with her.

This is the first call that takes place in FCI Englewood.

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Clark: Dang, Daniel! How you doin'?

Daniel: Absolutely terrible. *sighs* *Clark chuckles* So, um... so, my lawyer, my public defender, OK, is with the public defender's office, OK- a federal public defender's office out of uh, Denver, Colorado. And, his name is Jared [REDACTED]. He is saying I'm incompetent and I'm going to get transferred to a psychiatric facility. He's naming five different ones, one in South Carolina which doesn't make sense. I'm being told I would be moving to either South Carolina or Missouri, New York City, or New York, somewhere in New York, San Diego or Seattle.

Clark: What the hell? Missouri?

Daniel: Bob doesn't- Bob doesn't want me leaving the state, ok...

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Daniel: There's no time frame on when I'm going to get trans- transferred. The um, paperwork got submitted to the court over two months ago, so I'm just sitting and just waiting right now.

Clark: It's terrible!

Daniel: And I have a legal phone call with my lawyer today and I am being told by Bob, and I'm also thinking that, like why am I just sitting here? Like, they either need to get me transferred or at this point, get me time served and get me out.

Clark: I agree.

Daniel: Because like- because I mean threats? It's not I acted on them. I was homeless and I was demanding help. So where- wh-wh-where is the- where is the actual issue there? There isn't!

Clark: You're right! They just- I mean they took advantage of a... I mean, I really don't understand either. I mean, has MacDougall even tried to talk to you since then, or MacDougall?

Daniel: No, no. He hasn't. And he also told me, he promised me that Grace and I would be having the wedding.

Clark: Fuck... well I don't even...

Daniel: Like he's- he's promised me stuff now that is just not even happening, and then he was trying to accuse me of things, that... it's like, there's absolutely zero evidence of.

Clark: Yeah, like the... child, uh- p-

Daniel: The child molesting thing, which there's absolutely no evidence, so that never even got, that never even went through, because they just don't have evidence.

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Daniel: And then, um, also they were trying to accuse Bob of raping me!

Clark: What the hell?

Daniel: Yeah! They were trying to straight up accuse Bob and then lie to me just to get Bob arrested for sex crimes! Like, if you are gonna continue to do that, there's gonna be further issues!

Clark: Ooooh...

Daniek: 'Cause it's- it's straight up, like, not okay. You know, especially if it- if they're saying it happened to me and I absolutely know that- that is false information that they're saying is just ridiculous!

Clark: I mean they're just- I mean, I'm surprised they didn't, uh, haven't arrested ME and other people and tried to accuse me of things.

Daniel: Right!

Clark: Why did that- so you got, I'm get- so all of July you were in the SHU, right?

Daniel: I was in the SHU, yes, all of July. Pretty much.

Clark: What... what, what happened? Did someone try and fight you, you said?

Daniel: Somebody was trying to fight me, people were calling into the jail apparently, like to the actual like, facility. Sending threats to me, and so I was getting pretty much attacked for people calling in, and I'm like, "Guys, like, I'm famous. It's not my problem." Like, there's nothing I can do.

Clark: Dang, so then they put you in protective custody?

Daniel: They- I've been in protective custody on 22 hour lockdown, for over two months now.

Clark: Sheesh!

Daniel: Like, going on three months.

Clark: What do you do all day?

Daniel: Either sleep, or just read books. And people are still saying I don't know how to read books, when I do. So that's another thing that's pissing me off, is like, people are accusing me of not knowing how to read, and they don't even know if I can or can't.

Clark: What, no-

Daniel: So they don't even have a say.

Clark: The cops were saying that, or like the inmates? Or just-

Daniel: Everybody.

Clark: Geez, yeah that's-

Daniel: And then, other.. I guess other people inside the jail, inmates and CO's keep coming up to me, like joking around about Grace, saying, oh, I'm in contact with her now, I'm dating her.

Clark: Geez!

Daniel: And, all that's doing is, that's creating- that's getting me angry. You know, it's like, OK, like, do you have their number? 'Cause I have their number!

Clark: Ooooh...

Daniel: I'm not like, I don't have it, you know, straight on me, but it's in my legal discovery. It's just blocked out. You know what I mean? Like, I have more than enough proof right now and I'm pretty sure you don't. You know, and it's- they're just creating all these random arguments with me.

Clark: I mean, they can look you up and see that you're in there for like, huge charges. Those people are probably in there for like, ped- like the jail you're in has a lot of pedophiles and stuff, like that Subway guy?

Daniel: Right, but the thing is my charges are not that big.

Clark: Exactly.

Daniel: ...if you really think about it. They're samll compared to a lot of these other people.

Clark: True.

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Clark: It's true.

Daniel: You know, I'm just- I'm basically right now just serving time. That's all it is.

Clark: And what books have you been reading? Did you get it from a commissary or something?

Daniel: No, there's a library here.

Clark: Hmmm.

Daniel: I got a bunch of- I guess, like, two or three books. I've been reading like, fairy tale stuff, vampire stuff.

Clark: Oh, that's good.

Daniel: But, um, anyways, apparently Bob- Bob is all pissed off about what's going on with Grace. He's like, OK, so we know that Grace is involved. Why is she not helping? Like, why is she not getting you out? You know, like she's a millionaire, she should be able to just, you know, get you right now and get you on the record deal. Why is she not helping? He's pissed off and... I probably shouldn't say this because I don't wanna piss YOU off, but Bob is at the same time, kind of upset at YOU...

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: ....you got me in contact with the other person who claimed to be Grace, right? We know that, you got me in contact with the person claiming to be Tina and the person claiming to be Grace. I don't know right now if that is- if that was real or fake, but what I do know is when they told me that they were in contact with the FBI, okay, one thing I can confirm is that what they were saying is true in my legal discovery.

Clark: That's true- yeah your legal discovery, we haven't- I haven't been able to see that, but what else?

Daniel: Right, but my legal discovery straight up has conversations with the verified Tina, Grace's mother, where it's straight up talking about being in contact with me and saying, "Grace is not dating you, she's not aware of you", but what I find weird is that there's a straight up letter that got sent to the homeless shelter, where it straight up is from the real Dave, and Dave as we know, was wanting the relationship and the wedding all along. He has no problem with it, as we know, right?

Clark: Yeah, I mean, assumming so, yeah.

Daniel: Right, and so, the thing is, he is the one that apparently sent the letter, and now they're all saying, including Grace, that none of that ever happened.

Clark: Geez!

Daniel: And there's like, literal proof, like it came from their address, so who here is lying?

Clark: Uh, I- it's all confusing, and then..

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Daniel: ...or whoever this Grace is, which is from my understanding, the real Grace... is in my legal discovery, which straight up- it's the same stuff that you were saying when I was in contact with you prior to- prior to my arrest. So I'm being... the information I'm being given, right, is making me sound crazy. And it's-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel (continuing): It's pissing everybody off, you see what I mean?

Clark: Yeah, I mean and they keep pushing back your trial.

Daniel: And they k- Right, and they keep pushing back my trial, so who is doing that? You know, like at this point I don't know why I'm just- why I'm not just out, you know and they get me housing, you know like- like, wherever I'm supposed to go, you know? *coughs*

Clark: I mean, like, Biden did drop out of the race, so it is Kamala now and I don't know if you heard, apparently there were like Venezuelan gangs coming to Aurora, Colorado and like, taking over apartments and stuff, I was like-

Daniel *interrupting*: Yeah yeah, no, I heard about that, that's... true, that's what's going on. Um, I mean, what could also be going on too is I mean, all the shootings and stuff.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: They could be just saying threats are just one step away from the actual doing. The thing is, I'm not- I'm not that type of person.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: I don't, I'm not gonna just act on it, I was demanding help and I even have proof in my legal discovery of me demanding help, going to hospitals. Nobody ever once did anything, now they're doing kind of the same thing, but just holding me here. When... when is- when are things going to progress actually get better? I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Clark: And I'm guessing, do they not have tablets in this one like that other?

Daniel: No. But anyways, I gotta go, our time's almost up.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: I'll have to call you back.

Clark: Um, one more thing. Try and write down some lyrics, 'cause next time we call, maybe you can like sing over the phone or something.

Daniel: I don't know, we'll figure something out, OK?

Clark: OK.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Clark: Alright, bye.

October 2024

October 7 (1)

On October 7, 2024, Lil Sippy received two calls from Daniel, someone who had gained contact with Daniel in mysterious ways. [3] This is the first phone call that does not feature Clark.

In this call, Daniel explains he had lacked communication with his lawyer since August. Lil Sippy informs him about a new document that stated Daniel may be moved to Springfield by December. Additionally, Daniel, under delusion, expresses frustration about his family's lack of support, worrying a felony conviction might limit his ability maintain his imaginary relationship with Grace VanderWaal.

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Automated voice: ...call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hi, Daniel!

Daniel: Hello, this is Daniel Larson.

Lil Sippy: What's going on Daniel, how you doing man?

Daniel: Hi, um... I'm doing OK, my- my lawyer hasn't been getting back to me at all. I haven't spoken to him since early August.

Lil Sippy: OK, I got- um, I saw, I was looking on PACER and the prosecution has filed a new uh, thing in your case, a new document in your case that says you'll probably be in Springfield by uh, December.

Daniel: Yes, that is correct.

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Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: Um, and also, my lawyer for some reason has been, like the last time I talked to him, which was early August, right? He told me that I was never in contact with the VanderWaals or the label which is false.

Lil Sippy: You said-

Daniel: Because I was in contact with Grace before, and her mother.

Lil Sippy: So you said that there's... you- something in your discovery for your legal cases confirmed that you were talking to the VanderWaals or something?

Daniel: Yes.

Lil Sippy: OK, yup.

Daniel: Um, it's- it's confirmed and there's even conversations in my legal discovery over social media where Tina HAS admitted to talking with me which is true, where she's told me to stop listening to the trolls. The issue is, well, I was homeless right? I had to make my own living. I had to try to survive, and it became a survival thing where I was trying to like, literally stay alive and my family, my OWN family, was manipulating financials, they were telling me to cut ties with Tina and I accidentally blocked the real Tina, not the impersonators, I accidentally blocked the real Tina and I lost contact altogether. When I tried to regain contact, I couldn't. You see what I mean?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, what- what people-

Daniel: So...

Lil Sippy: So, what?

Daniel: The big issue is, so Tina wanted me to cut ties with Grace and stop talking to the impersonators, and only talk to Grace. And what Grace was doing was she was getting me in contact with her management, behind Grace- or behind Tina's back, and so Grace got me in contact with EVERYBODY, you see what I mean?

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: And then, somewhere along the line when Tina found out, because I reported it to Tina that Grace was actually in contact. Once Tina, Grace's mother, found out, then... Tina started having full-time contact with me.

Lil Sippy: Wow, OK.

Daniel: And then, they were saying that I needed to have, I needed to have five songs, an EP before I can get the label deal, which is supposed to be $35 million, or $36 million. It was supposed to be record-breaking, I think record-breaking record deal for 2023, but my family kept saying it was fake and wasn't real. And I tried to get help, that's why I was going on the M1 holds, OK?

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: The M1 holds were calling- everybody at the hospitals were calling my family, telling them they needed to get me housing. They refused, and I was put right back on the streets...

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: While all this was going on, law enforcement got involved and started telling me I was not in contact with Tina and to block Tina again, and it became like a- it became a war of who I was in contact with. And so, I made the threats which is why I'm here in prison, in jail. I made the threats to try and put an end to everything and drag everybody into the situation so I can handle things legally.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I know there, th- uh, you were emailing me last night talking about when you're going to have a trial. You do understand that you have to like, they've, they've said you're incompetend to stand trial and they'll probably hold you until you're competent. You gotta kinda put on an a- if I were you, I'd kind of try to put on an act and you know, act as normal as possible to try the, um... for the psychiatrist to say that you're competent so you can just go ahead and take a plea deal and get out because-

Daniel: *interrupts* Yes, which is actually weird because I... nobody's telling me why I'm incompetent. Like, nobody has been telling me anything, they've been saying that I've been doing things very well and I shouldn't even be in custody. That's the word from the jail, that's the psychiatry here at the jail.

Lil Sippy: Do you have any- do you have any idea how long you'll be in Springfield? Are they going to hold you indefinitely until they say you're competent or what?

Daniel: That's what my lawyer is shooting for... is, he's saying that they're gonna try to make me compentent. I never even what Grace was even saying behind the scenes, if that makes sense. So I don't know, I- I figured that Tina was going to try to-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: I figured that Tina was going to try to stop Grace from having contact with me.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: And, I don't- I don't know why, you know?

Lil Sippy: Well just, just as- you should probably just not mention Grace or Tina to any of the psychiatrists because I don't think that's really going to help your case trying to get-

Daniel: I don't think it's helping either.

Lil Sippy: Yeah...

Daniel:Like, I- I asked my lawyer for verification on if it was really the real Tina.

Lil Sippy: And he said no?

Daniel: And- and he said no...

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.

Daniel: ...which is weird because it's confirmed that yes, it was actually THEM, and I'm not saying that there was a fake involved but what I'm saying is that I was definitely at one point in contact, you see what I'm saying?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, so-

Daniel: And, and that's what I needed to clarify. Now that I've clarified that, no I'm concerned about how I can make things better, and everybody else is just going backwards.

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Lil Sippy: ...say on the the phone, 'cause they could get you in trouble. I'm gonna send you that- the, have you got the most recent document that was filed in your case? The prosecutions document, I got it packed up and I was gonna send it to you if you haven't already seen it.

Daniel: I- I do not. I- I do have my legal discovery from before I got arrested, but everything after, like conversations and everything after I got arrested, I don't have information on, so I don't know what is being said, now that I'm arrested.

Lil Sippy: OK, so you don't have any of the new documents that have been filed. I'm gonna- I- I already have the one packed up to- to uh, send to you, the... the most recent one filed by the prosecution that kind of details the timeline of when you're gonna go to Springfield, but what I want for you is I want you to get out and I don't want you to sit in Springfield indefinitely. So, you know, there's the old saying, you fake it till you make it, you just gotta- you know, realize what make you sound crazy and not say that, and just fake, you know, fake it until you can be found competent and then you know, just take a plea deal and- you've already sat for a long time, they'll probably just give you time served.

Daniel: Right, and my big fear is, I'm afraid that I'm going to have to plead guilty, because the thing is, if I plead guilty, then I don't think I can be with Grace. I think that's, that's what...

Lil Sippy: Well, if you- why do you think that? If you plead guilty, you might be able to get just time served. You might just might be able to get out, but you have to be found competent before you can plead guilty is what I'm saying.

Daniel: Right, and *coughs* I'm not saying I'm gonna be facing a long time or anything, but I would plead guilty to a felony because I'm in the feds. You see what I'm saying?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, but how does that- how does it affect-

Daniel: And, Grace- Grace wants me to travel with her. She goes to London all the time, she goes to Paris, and there are certain countries if I have a felony, I cannot go to, and Grace has friends in those countries.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, there's certain countries. Yeah, I think you can go to London, I think the only main country you can't go with no felony is, uh, is like Canada, um...

Daniel: And Canada is a big one, I think her label's out of Canada, Columbia Records.

Lil Sippy: So, if you uh...

Daniel: I think it's out of Canada.

Lil Sippy: So if you do...

Daniel: But there would be conflict there.

Lil Sippy: So if you do end up, um, like, being found competent, you're going to try to go to trial, and- and beat the uh- get a not guilty verdict on the allegations?

Daniel: That's what we're trying, and my lawyer has told me that we're trying to get a not guilty. He's- he, he thinks I'm a victim of the case.

Lil Sippy: OK. So...

Daniel: As far as trying to make everything work with the VanderWaals, that's what I'm concerned about now. Because I told my lawyer, I'm not going to plead guilty and I'm not gonna even make a decision until I know what's going on with Grace, and unfortunately, the way things are going with my family, and the way things are going in my life at this time, I'm thinking about just cutting ties for my safety, with my family for the time being.

Lil Sippy: With, with Bob, with Bob and them?

Daniel: Um... yeah, because Bob is not helping when I was on the streets, I don't believe he will help once I get out, I don't think he cares about my career, um, same thing with my biological dad, and I think as far as my career goes, and legal stuff when it comes to my publicity, I think that the VanderWaals are can-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: ...the VanderWaals and her label could definitely help with that and keep me safe, and I know how publicifity (publicity)...

Lil Sippy: OK, you just gotta- you gotta that there's, there's a lot of trolls who pretend to be Bob, so, you know, are you actually talking to the real Bob, or are you just talking to the trolls that wanna mess with you and pretend to be Bob.

Daniel: I'm talking to the real Bob.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: Um, it's verified with my lawyer and I even, um, know his a-home address, so.

Lil Sippy: And he's not trying to help you?

Daniel: He's not. Like, he's- he thought that Grace was fake all along, and that I was never in contact.

Lil Sippy: OK. Are you still friends with Clark?

Daniel: I'm- I'm trying to be friends with Clark, but he's flip-flopping on a lot of information.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I guess the feds are investigating him too and came to his work. I wouldn't care if the feds investigate me, they already are, but, yeah I guess he's being scaredy, but- yeah, I, so I...

Daniel: But, yeah, but I don't care about the feds too, I'm not scared of them. Like I said, I'm more scared from a legal perspective of trying to make everything work, because I made the threats because I wanted things to work, and I was aware of all the drama and the trolls, and I needed security, because I should have had security all along, especially bodyguards. Fans were like, actually coming up to me in person, so, so, what am I gonna do once I get out? *laughs*

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I know you've been dealing with a lot of harassment. Yeah, lot of harassment, but, um, you don't have any, any- any re- idea when you'll be out?

Daniel: I don't. My lawyer is saying, last I heard, that I'm going for four months and if I get found competent, then I'm going to trial.

Lil Sippy: OK good.

Daniel: So, he said my trial could be sometime next year, but this is the first time I've heard of Tina trying to stop Grace, and I would like to know more information on that, but I am concerned that things aren't gonna work out, because I also know that most of Grace's songs are about me. I've been listening to a lot of her songs, so.

Lil Sippy: OK, yeah. Well I-

Daniel: But anyways, I gotta go, um...

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I'm gonna esnd you- I'm gonna send you that paperwork. I already sent you some pictures of Billie Eilish, Bhad Bhabie, and Flo Milli, and actually, today the pictures of Grace and JoJo, and Emma came so I'm gonna get those to you too, and uh- uh, you still on 23 and 1, on PC?

Daniel: Yeah, I'm still in PC.

Lil Sippy: OK, you gonna call back?

Daniel: I'm gonna call back, yeah.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Lil Sippy: Bye

*Daniel hangs up*

October 7 (2)

On October 7, 2024, Lil Sippy called Daniel again. Despite being institutionalized, Daniel seems significantly more delusional. He claims that Trump has asked him to become vice president, that Grace's songs were about him, among many other delusions.

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*Lil Sippy's phone rings and he accepts*

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hello?

Daniel: Hello?

Lil Sippy: What's up?

Daniel: Hey, so- um, I called back.

Lil Sippy: Hey! Yeah.

Daniel: Anyways, um, what I was going to also- 'cause my lawyer, like I said, is not getting back to me at all, so I don't know what's really going on with the case or anything like that. Um, but... *sighs* my... I guess family friend, his name is Bob, who I've talked about on my media a lot. He was paying for a bunch of hotel rooms, right? And when... *sighs* So like, he's manipulating, right, a lot of my finances which is why I was homeless, and... um, he was also trying to control like, everything I did, um, as far as the type of music, um... I wanted to do, uhh- which I did... like... the types of songs that I want to do but like, some lyrics he wouldn't want me to put in, whatever. And it kind of... all this issues that I'm in is partially because of him. *chuckles* Like, um, it's been confirmed that I am the victim in the case, and um, at this point, I'm waiting on further information as to like what's going to happen with the case. I don't know why Tina is so angry, or upset, at Grace trying to admit that like, she's in love with me and how she's been in contact... um, which yes, I did make the threats and I admit to that. I've already admitted to it so it's no big deal, but I wanted to make it clear that yes, I was in contact and I want to make sure that like...

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Daniel: ...because I've already talked to Clark about it, um, because it is causing issues. And, um... I've stopped contact with trolls and I wanna make that clear. Anybody who's trolling, I have to cut ties. Uh...

Lil Sippy: Yeah, what- what have the trolls been trying to say? Is- are the trolls just basically saying that you're not in contact with Grace, she doesn't want you, and all that?

Daniel: Yeah, they've been trying to say that I'm not in contact, including like, law enforcement. Law enforcement, including my lawyer has been trying to turn me against Grace.

Lil Sippy: Wow.

Daniel: Yeah, so my own public defender is on purpose trying to turn me against Grace, and trying to say that I'm not in contact when I've been fighting my case, like arguing over the phone with my public defender like, "Look, I HAVE been in contact and I don't care what you're saying because my legal discovery proves." And I'm going based off my legal discovery, and it's actually shocking that I hear that Grace was live and that Tina told her stop, because she needs to get it heard. You know, Grace, if she cares about me, she needs to speak up.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I understand. Um, so- so with PC, do you get, uh, I don't know, one hour out of the cell a day, are you on 23 and 1?

Daniel: No, so, um... *sighs* I'm gonna be honest about this, I'm out, like anytime, but there's no time frame.

Lil Sippy: Oh.

Daniel: So like, no- like... I could be out today at this time, and tomorrow I might not get out at all, I could be out all day or I could be out just morning for like an hour, or afternoon for an hour, or even 30 minutes.

Lil Sippy: Do they have- do they- do you get-

Daniel: Last week, I was on lockdown for 100 hours straight without getting out.

Lil Sippy: Do... do they have, uh, tablets or anything for you?

Daniel: They have tablets, but you have to buy them, so I went ahead and bought it for $150.

Lil Sippy: OK, that's good.

Daniel: So at least, AT LEAST I have that, which I had to lie about to my family just to get them to put money on my books for it, because they wouldn't do it otherwise. Um- but, I been at least having that, but like-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: Like I said, I was on, last week, every single day last week, on lockdown all day long. I never once got out of my six foot cell. All week.

Lil Sippy: You, uh- you, you got a, do you have a cellie though?

Daniel: I have a cellie, and he's great. Um, it's- he sleeps during the day, so I'm kind of by myself, but...

Lil Sippy: Does he know you're famous?

Daniel: He does, yes.

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.

Daniel: And he also knows that, like he apparently knows uh... Grace because he watched America's Got Talent.

Lil Sippy: Oh, wow.

Daniel: One of the bigger issues that's been going on here at the jail is a lot of these correction officers, they follow me on social media.

Lil Sippy: Wow.

Daniel: So there's issues going on at the jail just because I'm so famous, and people don't want to admit that I'm famous. That's another thing.

Lil Sippy: What are- what are the issues?

Daniel: Well apparently, the um- there was camera footage from inside the jail, from inside the jail unit leaked on the internet...

Lil Sippy: Wow.

Daniel: ...and my lawyer adm- like, my public defender admitted to like, actually... this- like watching the livestream. Like, he didn't care. Like he was like, hey, I'm watching your livestream right now of you in jail, and I'm like, what the fuck?

Lil Sippy: That is.

Daniel: Like, you're not caring about my case, and you're just watching the live stream? Like what?

Lil Sippy: That's crazy.

Daniel: And then, um, apparently what I- so what I do know is Grace ordered the psych eval.

Lil Sippy: Wow. It wasn't the judge?

Daniel: So, Grace is the one who ordered it. It wasn't the judge. Grace apparently... well, Tina got notified that I got arrested. *chuckles* So...

Lil Sippy: So Grace is involved in the court case now?

Daniel: She's apparently choosing to be involved and her mother, I guess now trying to take a step back, like, oh, we shouldn't involved, it's too much, but the thing is, they've kind of exposed themselves for being in contact.

Lil Sippy: Huh.

Daniel: And, my own family is like, well, we want things to work out, we- we want you to be with Grace, we didn't know you were, we thought you were lying, and now I'm kind of the monkey in the middle.

Lil Sippy: I understand that.

Daniel: It's very crazy, and... like, I could see that Grace- well, Tina is upset that I made the threats, but I couldn't just let things escalate further.

Lil Sippy: You had to make the threats to get uh, attention and help?

Daniel: *sighs* Not- not attention, but I had to...}

Lil Sippy: Call attention to your problems?

Daniel: Y- y... yeah, and I guess, put a stop to everything, to where it's like, really- you know like, I'm gonna sacrifice my life for this relationship to work. Because I'm tired of all the drama and trolls, I need to know the truth so we can make things work. That's my mind was thinking.

Lil Sippy: Well, that- the- the rel- Grace is, uh, your relationship with Grace, is that important to you?

Daniel: That- it's that important, that like, I would sacrifice my career for it and I don't think that Tina sees that.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: Um, and that was my mindset, and...

Lil Sippy: So why does- why does Tina hate you so much? What is her problem?

Daniel: Well, *sighs* Grace and I, right? Even though she was 18, we always, um... Grace would call me at work while she was on the job. OK, Grace would call me, um, I don't know what was going on, I don't know how it was affecting her job or what. I know that there were issues with the label, *sighs* um... just, you know, because I couldn't verify I was in contact. There was a lot of things going on as far as verifying it was really them.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: Um, Grace would say that like, she couldn't verify because the label wouldn't let her and then she was like, well the label doesn't want me to be in contact but I'm choosing to be in contact anyways, because I love you. And she would also speak in like, an actual British accent, which she admits-

Lil Sippy: Is she British?

Daniel: She admits in one of her songs.

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Lil Sippy: Oh, wow. OK.

Daniel: Yeah, so like, I knew that 'cause I was listening to her music long before I was even in jail, knowing things because she was leaking it- like leaking information in all of her songs. Um...

Lil Sippy: You said her songs were about you?

Daniel: Her songs, like, like if you really listen to it, Lion's Den, Daniel and the Lion's Den, if you know the bible?

Lil Sippy: Yeah. It's not about the Bible, it's about you??

Daniel: And... it's apparently about me and um, Grace also told me because when I was younger, I had a leaked... well there was like a video I didn't know that was recorded while I was in the restroom, in the shower, and it got leaked online...

Lil Sippy: From the jail?

Daniel: And, Grace is- no just at my own house.

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.

Daniel: Um, foster. And it got leaked on the internet, and from my understanding, Grace made the music video which she was trying to make it clear that yes, I was in contact and knew about it. And then, Grace also was like, you know, was like, I want a man who can shower. She wanted to make sure I showered, so I do believe that Grace was a big factor in a lot of it, and a lot of my publicity, and um... I'm not 100% sure if it was an impersonator, but I know that like, it got to a point where she was demanding, just pretty much, me go live anytime really, just because we needed the publicity so I could get off the streets. Um, and then...

[video cuts]

Daniel: ...which didn't help my mental health.

Lil Sippy: So what was it that you emailed me about, um, you said something like Joe Biden wants you to be vice president or, so he can *unintelligible*?

Daniel: Yeah, so apparently, I- *groans* I'm still learning this, but one of the correction officers came up to me at the jail and talked to me about how uh, Donald Trump wanted me to be his vice president, because if he becomes president and I'm vice president, he can make it legal for me to be vice president at my age.

Lil Sippy: Wow, so, so-

Daniel: Similar to what he's doing with his felony thing that he had. He can make it legal.

Lil Sippy: Has... so is that, has it hit the news? Is that on the news that he wants you as vice president?

Daniel: I don't know, but I've had one of the correction officers come up to me talking about it, how they heard about it on the news.

Lil Sippy: Wow.

Daniel: And I said, I denied it. I didn't want to because I knew that it would be too much at the time 'cause this was back in 2023 when he was first starting his campaign.

Lil Sippy: You think you could handle... do you think you could handle being vice president now?

Daniel: *sighs* I... if I knew a lot of information, yes, but the thing is, I've learned over time, just with my current case that I'm facing, I don't always know a lot of information, so I have to investigate things myself. I have to make a lot of guesses whether it's right or wrong, wrong.

Lil Sippy: But being vice president would get you out of jail, wouldn't it?

Daniel: It would get me out of jail.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, OK.

Daniel: But, the thing is I just... I can't, you know, like- *sighs

Lil Sippy: As far as...

Daniel: I'm kind of in a situation where I'm kind of, you know, finding out that almost everything was true, but anyways, *sighs again* time's almost up. I will try to call to call you when I can. Uh..

Lil Sippy: Maybe tomorrow? You think you'll be able to call me tomorrow?

Daniel: Yeah, I can.

Lil Sippy: OK, thank you. Yeah, uh, um, I'll get those uh, pictures sent off to you. Who are you gonna vote for this year though? Trump or Kamala?

Daniel: I.. I'm not voting because I am in custody. I can't They're not doing it.

Lil Sippy: OK, um, but yeah. Talk to you soon, man. Stay calm.

Daniel: Alright. Alrigh-

[time runs out and call terminates]

October 8 (1)

On October 9, 2024, Lil Sippy posted another call. This call is most notable for Daniel claiming to have been in contact with Chief Keef and Lil Durk. It was recorded on October 8, 2024 and can be viewed below:

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Automated voice: This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To block this call and all future calls, press 7. To reject- *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hello!

Daniel: Uh, hello?

Lil Sippy: What's going on?

[echo can be heard on Daniel's end]

Daniel: Hey, so what did you find out?

Lil Sippy: Find out about what?

Daniel: Um, your email that you sent me this morning told me to call back, and um- that you found out new information.

Lil Sippy: About Grace?

Daniel: Yes.

Lil Sippy: That was- that wasn't this morning, that was the old email from yesterday morning, but I don't-

Daniel: Oh, OK.

Lil Sippy: I don't have new information on Grace, but I do have information that um, so basically, these- you know, you know that um, your music has been all over the radio, right?

Daniel: I did not know that it's all over the radio, no.

Lil Sippy: They've been play- it's not just the US, I guess they've been playing it even in, uh- like China and places like that. Um, but especially the one song, what's it, Roaring Thunder?

Daniel: Yeah, yeah. I- I know.

Lil Sippy: It's all over the radio, it's all in the clubs and stuff, uh, and basically these- I don't why, but I'm getting a lot of uh, feedback. It's- my voice is echoing on the phone for some reason, but... um, I don't know if you've ever heard of them, but there's these very famous rappers *coughs* called uh, Chief Keef and Lil Durk, and they just went on the Joe Rogan podcast, and they said- they basically said how much they want to, uh, collab with you...

Daniel: Oh, wow! Yeah, Lil Durk? Both went on a broadcast wanting a collaboration?

Lil Sippy: They wanna do uh, a collaboration, like an EP... Chief Keef and- yeah, have you ever heard of them?

Daniel: Yeah, I have.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I've actually- I used to have contact with him.

Lil Sippy: Really?

Daniel: So, that confirms things even more. That's crazy.

Lil Sippy: Well they said, they basically went on Joe Rogan, they said they wanna help you. Ever since King Von died, um, O'Block has been so poor and they want to collab with you to help save O'Block and at the same time, you know, Chief Keef is connected with Donald Trump. Chief Keef performs at Trump rallies, I don't why, I guess to try the younger vote.

Daniel: Yeah, that explains the Donald Trump situation, because Keef Chief, you're right, he performs at the Donald Trump rallies.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, so basically on the podcast, like they were saying that, um, they want to collab with you. They want to hop on a remix of Roaring Thunder, and they also want to do a collab album, but they can't get in contact with you to get the permission to do the remix and to get you on the collab album, and they-

Daniel: Because I'm in, I'm in jail. *chuckles*

Lil Sippy: Yeah, but I would think they would be able to get in contact with a manager or something, what label are you signed to?

Daniel: I- so right now, I was supposed to be signed with Columbia Records, but I'm in here on threats, and I also made threats towards their record label. *sighs* Uh..

Lil Sippy: So they dropped you as a client?

Daniel: Yeah, because I never actually signed a contract. Grace was signing, I guess, the contract on my behalf because I asked her to, but I didn't know if it was actually done yet or not, because I was told by Grace I didn't need to sign a contract since I was dating her. It's automatic.

Lil Sippy: But has- has Grace been in contact with Chief Keef and Lil Durk?

Daniel: I... I don't know. Since I've been arrested, I have not heard any information and my lawyer, like I said yesterday, has even told me that I'm not in contact rith (with) Grace, I'm not dating her. My lawyer's trying to turn me AGAINST what isn't going on, so I don't know. I didn't- I knew that my song Roaring Thunder was on the radio because I heard it one time on a Denver radio station, 101.1, which is like- (gets cut off)

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: It's an iHeartRadio variety station, I've heard it one time this year on there, and I also heard Grace on there, um, doing I guess something where she was talking about a collaboration.

Lil Sippy: OK, but you haven't talked to Grace since you've been in uh, been locked up this time?

Daniel: I have not spoken to Grace in... probably around a year, maybe more? I- I'm not sure, I'm still trying to get confirmation on who was who.

Lil Sippy: Do you think she's kinda over you at this point, or what do you think's going on?

Daniel: I- I don't know what's going on with my lawyer. Um, last I heard is he...

Lil Sippy: I'm talking about Grace. Is Grace still in love with you?

Daniel: Yeah! Yeah, so Grace was, um... back when I was in contact with her mother... Tina, Grace's mother, told me to stop contact with her daughter, and I said, do you realize that, um, Grace has been in contact with me all along? And Tina said, OK, well Grace is with me right now, let me check. So she checked with Grace and found out that it was actually true and then at that time, I've been in contact with Tina on and off ever since... until I got arrested.

Lil Sippy: Yeah they- Yeah they've been really putting uh, Grace's name through the dirt for... *coughs* I guess, 'cause they're jealous, they're- I think they're mad that you're famous and that Grace is in love with you and that they're not famous and they don't get any girls, but they've been really trying to make up bad rumors about Grace saying she's a white supremacist, and just crazy stuff, and it's all-

Daniel: *interrupting* Yeah, I know, I've heard a lot as well about like, other controversy going around that, but it's confirmed it's not true, so.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: But anyways, um, I appreciate you letting me know that. Do you what time, or like, estimated, like what month it says I'm supposed to get transferred to...

Lil Sippy: Yeah, December.

Daniel: It says November?

Lil Sippy: No, December.

Daniel: December, so

Lil Sippy: That's what- that's just the estimate, that's what the, um, what's it called? Like, the stuff that the, the documents the prosecution. So like, I guess the psych ward part of MCFP Springfield, *coughs* um, like, they only have a limited, finite uh, amount of beds for, so- and I guess they're full right now, and basically like, based on how many people are leaving right now, um, they estimate that like... You're on the waitlist, and they estimate that um, like your spot in the waitlist will, to be transferred will be in December, but it could be earlier, could be later, just depending on how many people get transferred out of Springfield's psych ward. It's actually like a prison, but- but it's a psych ward within a prison. Um... so, it could be earlier, it could be later, but the- the estimate that the prosecution gave was December.

Daniel: Right, OK. And, another thing is, so my lawyer, my public defender told me that I don't have to necessarily get on medication. If I don't want to, there's like other resources and classes I will take that will count towards my court. But...

Lil Sippy: But yeah, that's probably true, but don't you- if you get on medication, it would probably look better for you to be found competent.

Daniel: Right, I was on actually on medication, on and off when I was making a lot of the, a lot of the threats. So that was not like, the medication I was on is a big factor on why I made the threats, because it didn't...

Lil Sippy: *interrupts* So do you think... do you think that it's uhh, you were just on the wrong meds? Are you open to taking different meds?

Daniel: I don't think it was on the wrong meds, I think that, um... I think that like, there's certain medication where it's like, it tries to slow down my mind racing, the issue is if my mind slows down too much, then I just can't think at all, I can't even perform because I can't think. And then there's other medications where it's like a mood stablilizer, but the thing is, if I can't feel my feelings, you see what I mean? Then...

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I'm not happy.

Lil Sippy: What about- what about any- have they put you on any anti-psychotics?

Daniel: No, they haevn't, and um, I don't even know if my medication or my health will even work with those, because I've never been asked anything about it. Like, I've been, going to psychiatry at the...

Lil Sippy: OK, you might want to talk to them about, um, anti-psychotic medications. That might be able to- that might be a better fit than the mood stabilizers.

Daniel: OK. Alright, and then, also... I guess my lawyer, my public defender, nobody is telling me why I am getting transferred, like as far as the psych eval, I knew that. But like, as far as what's going to make me competent, nobody is telling me and like I said, nobody's talking with me about my case.

[Call lasts for another few minutes, mostly Daniel reiterating about Grace]

October 8 (2)

On October 9, 2024, Lil Sippy released his fourth call to Daniel, which was recorded the day before.

Lil Sippy shows Daniel the recording of the detective reading his search history, leaking some alarming searches. Daniel also explains meeting someone claiming to be Jakob VanderWaal, his concerns about Clark, and supposed music theft by World of T-Shirts.

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Automated voice: You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hey Daniel!

Daniel: Hey, I got new information from uh, Griffin- Clark.

Lil Sippy: OK, what was that?

Daniel: So apparently, the, so there was a time where I met up with somebody who was in contact with him. When I met up with the guy in downtown Denver, who was staying at the Brown Palace, he accidentally told me that his name was Jakob VanderWaal, Grace's brother, and then immediately he said oops, and then told me some random name.

Lil Sippy: So was he Grace's brother?

Daniel: Yeah, somebody met up with me in downtown Denver back in 2023 claiming to be Grace's brother.

Lil Sippy: And they-

Daniel: But then told- then- all of a sudden told me that it wasn't like, oops, at- like, pretty much said the word 'oops' as if he forgot like that he shouldn't tell me.

Lil Sippy: So he was the real, um...

Daniel: I believe he was the real Jakob VanderWaal, but was told not to say it and he accidentally did.

Lil Sippy: But was he spying on you or something?

Daniel: He might've been spying.

Lil Sippy: Oh my god...

Daniel: And not only that, I still don't have any information from Clark or Griffin on the actual relationship, but I exposed him for, well I think I exposed him for hanging up calls on me, and um, whenever I say something that is true, he goes- he either hangs up on me or he doesn't answer the next day or tells me, hey I'm busy, I need you to call back the next day.

Lil Sippy: You said Clark does?

Daniel: Clark does. So it seems like he's doing things behind the scenes.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, he's- I wouldn't trust Clark. But, um, there's been a new video that I don't think is real it might be real, I don't think it is. But they basically said that someone suck into one of your court dates and recorded, uh, I guess someone was reading your search history off- they say it's your search history and it's got over 60 million views on TikTok. Uh, do you wanna hear it?

Daniel: Yeah, no. I've actually - so I am aware that people have been sneaking into court, I am more than aware of it.

Lil Sippy: But they said that... just let me show you, let me- let me have you listen to it, they say that this- that this is the detective reading off your search history.

Detective (from recording): So there's, um... "fucking Puerto Rican", there is (very disturbing searches)... HIV positive... choking... going onto page 5...

Daniel: OK... can you hear me???

Daniel: Yeeha, is that real or...

Daniel: I- so I do have insider information that is also pretty sketchy, I was supposed to have court two different times and both times I was told it got cancelled after I was already taken out. And my lawyer-

Lil Sippy: So do you think they've been having court without you?

Daniel: I believe they might have been having court without me, none of that is true and I don't know why they're saying that. I think my- I think...

Lil Sippy: Huh. Do you think's actually- do you think that's actually from a court date of yours or is that just fake?

Daniel: I- I don't know, but I do recognize the voice being...

Lil Sippy: Do you wanna hear the rest of it?

Daniel: I don't- I don't know, but if-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: It might be real, because I do know that one of the judges sounded similar, so I don't know but I do know that the actual court itself was leaked.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: But what I can say is like, people are like, hacking my email. I believe Daniel MacDougall was trying to get actual access to my email, and was trying to like, stop my relationship. I believe people are trying to stop my relationship with Grace, and people are, people are trying to hack account to do so.

Lil Sippy: *overtalking* I think they- I think um, what's the dude's name? He goes by World of T-Shirts, isn't his name like Joshua or something?

Daniel: Yes, and also I've heard things before I got arrested from him, saying that he was going to... do- I don't know, but what he said was that he was going to try to mess things up.

Lil Sippy: I think he's, um, I think he's trying to do something to basically steal your music, well it's obviously trying to steal your music, but I think he's trying to steal Grace through stealing your music. He just dropped this song and it sounds exactly like Roaring Thunder, I mean the cadence is exactly the same, you line them up on a DAW, they- you know, the cadence is, it's uncanny.

Daniel: Holy crap! So you're saying somebody might be impersonating me. No, that's right. No.

Lil Sippy: He's- he's not even impersonating you, he's taking your song and trying to take it as his own, and people have been accusing of that and he went on the No Jumper podcast with Adam22, and Adam22 brought up the allegations, and World of T-Shirts said he never even knew you! He's like, I haven't heard of Daniel Larson!

Daniel: Holy... what the fuck? That's *unintelligible*

Lil Sippy: But- but everyone knows that in the old deleted videos that you and him even met!

Daniel: I was with him, yes!

Lil Sippy: So...

Daniel: What the fuck?!

Lil Sippy: He's like, Daniel Larson, the name sounds familiar, I might have heard of him, but...

Daniel: No, this explains everything. Like, I'm a victim of everything! I shouldn't even be in custody altogether! No wonder my mental health was affected, because I knew something was up when it came to my music stuff.

Lil Sippy: It's crazy. *coughs*

Daniel: But, also what I needed to let you know is apparently, Clark aka Griffin said he was going to meet up with me when I get to Missouri because he lives two hours away. You know him?

Lil Sippy: Where does he live?

Daniel: I- apparently Missouri.

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.

Daniel: And- and so if I go to Missouri, and I meet up with him, I don't know if that's a threat in a way, or not. But he's- he says that he's going to meet up with me.

Lil Sippy: Why would he be threatening you?

Daniel: Like I said, I don't know if it is or not. But like I said, I know that like, he said he's going to meet up with me.

Lil Sippy: Well, don't you think he's meaning he might try to get on your visiting list?

Daniel: That's what he's trying to do.

Lil Sippy: So why would that be a threat though?

Daniel: Because I like, I don't know if he's trustable or not, like, he's clearly, clearly *unintelligible* story.

Lil Sippy: *overtalking* I mean, I don't think Clark is trustable. Didn't he trick you into thinking you were going to college?

Daniel: Yes.

Lil Sippy: So, I wouldn't trust somebody like that.

Daniel: And now he's saying that the VanderWaals are fake, but yet everything he's saying is right with my legal discovery. So, there's- weird things going on.

Lil Sippy: I thought you said- I thought you said that your legal discovery bro, I thought you said your legal discovery confirmed that you were in contract with the VanderWaals, and it was all real!

Daniel: Yes, and Clark got me in contact. Clark aka Griffin got me in contact with the VanderWaals.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: That's how it all started.

Lil Sippy: Mkay. Well, just try to keep yourself calm. How have- how have you been getting along with the other guys on the tier?

Daniel: I've been doing fairly good. Um, I mean, I'm just super concerned about what's going on with my lawyer because, if I got arrest- well, if- if I got attacked or something, because he hasn't gotten back to me in months, it's more of like, I don't know if he would even care if I got, you know, assaulted or something, if he would even get notified. It's just a safety concern towards me.

Lil Sippy: You said that, um... they're not- but I thought you said that they're not even letting you call him.

Daniel: They're not even letting me, exactly. I actually talked to the case manager here at the jail who's the person supposed to be scheduling, and he moved the date out. I cannot call for more than two weeks now, because he's going on vacation.

Lil Sippy: So there's only special days that you can contact him?

Daniel: Yeah. Anyways, I gotta go, they're locking me down for the night.

Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night. Um, you gonna call tomorrow?

Daniel: Um, but this is crazy information that you're giving me. I recognize the voice from being the court.

Lil Sippy: OK, you gonna call tomorrow?

Daniel: I'm gonna try to call tomorrow.

Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night, bro.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

October 9


On October 9, 2024, Daniel called Clark once again. [4] Daniel appears to be more delusional, stating that Grace has been mentioning Clark indirectly in some of her songs. He also reveals the poor conditions in jail, which he relates to his struggles with being homeless. He also expresses concerns for the VanderWaal family, believing they were affected by the hurricane and still believing Grace likes him.

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Automated voice: This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To block- *Clark presses 5 You may begin speaking now.

Clark: Hello Daniel.

Daniel: Hey, so... um, anyways I wanna let you know. I talked to Bob today, and I told him about the pictures that were on the phone and the conversations.

Clark: OK, yeah.

Daniel: And I explained to him that I did it all just because I didn't know what was going on, and I was in the relationship with Grace, and was kind of altogether, I didn't know- what we could do to help the situation, so I just kind of framed everything with how... how I was doing it. I was called a pedophile, and looking at child p*rn. I was just, you kno, kind of framing everything, if that makes sense.

Clark: Yeah, no, that does- I mean, it makes sense. Everyone was pressuring you to do things.

Daniel: Right, which made me think I should go ahead and just explain what happened with the pictures, *coughs*

[video cuts]

Daniel: ...until I'm found competent.

Daniel: Oh! Uh, Daniel, I guess I did have a question too. Someone reached out and said that they used to like, take you to school or something and that one- your mom used to carry around a doll, like a baby doll with her. Is that true or is someone just making stuff up?

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: I don't know if that's true or not.

Clark: They said that your mom like, slapped you one time when you had a sunburn on your back, I don't know.

Daniel: That might be true, I..

Clark: Yeah, a long time ago, I don't know, something-

Daniel: It was a long time ago, I think it's- I think it might be true, I don't know who's saying that, but... that- I know my mother did use to do that a lot.

Clark: Geez, well anyway, I'm still trying to-

[video cuts]

Daniel: Grace is talking about you in songs too.

Clark: Probably, yeah. I think I've noticed that too.

Daniel: *chuckles* So I don't know what's going on, but yeah I've noticed that, and um, I also know how Grace was talking about, um, if things don't work with me, she was going to date Jacob Sartorius, which also, um-

[video cuts]

Clark: Have you been getting like, any decent food recently? Like from commissary or anything, or eating?

Daniel: *sighs* Nope, I've been getting just the normal meals, but it's not- it's nowhere near...

Clark: Dang, so basically it's just beans...

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: It's nowhere near enough, considering I've been homeless for five years.

Clark: Yeah, it's nothing like some-

Daniel: And, I have cuts all over me from when I was homeless, that just are not healing for some reason. I don't know what the issue is.

Clark: Probably 'cause you're in a cold, dark concrete room, yeah it's hard for you, like- do you- do they let you outside ever? For like, yard or anything?

Daniel: They did one time yesterday.

Clark: Oh OK, so you got to go outside. Did you just-

Daniel: I got to go outside.

Clark: Did you walk around?

Daniel: I did, yeah.

Clark: That's good at least! For the first time in what, four months, they let you outside?

Daniel: It was actually- yeah, it was nice to get fresh air. Anyways, also, um, I don't know what has- what happened since the hurricane, South Carolina? I don't know if the VanderWaals' house is even like, OK. I don't know how they're affected or anything, which is also concerning to me because I care. If I could help them out, I would, I just don't know how

Clark: Y- yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, you are a very caring person, but sometimes you gotta worry about your situation and they definitely have enough money that they'd probably move to a different house. I'm guessing they're probably in Kansas City, because it's way far from the, uh, hurricane.

Daniel: Right... right, they have a house in New York, they have a house in Beverly Hills, or Hollywood Hills, right? And then they have a house in South Carolina, and they they have one in Kansas.

Clark: Yeah, yeah, yeah- something like that.

Daniel: Yeah.

Clark: So, they got- so I don't know, the hurricane is pretty bad right now, but they're probably good, I'm assuming. Grace has been active recently on social media, so.

Daniel: Yup- yeah, I'm aware that Grace has been completely active on social media talking about everything, so that's- that's good news. Um, at least she's still - at least she cares and is confirming, um, which... it's too bad; I can't really see it for myself, but at least I can confirm the relationship now.

Clark: That's true, I mean... you'll- eventually everything will come to light and you'll get, you'll get what-

Daniel: Eventually hopefully, *laughs*, hopefully eventually, yes!

Clark: *laughs*

Daniel: And also, Nick- apparently Nicholas, he was telling me that I am closer to meeting the VanderWaals than I think, so my guess is I might be possibly meeting them either when I'm in Missouri or even like before then, if I have a court date.

Clark: Is there anything that gets brought up that I should know about other than the pictures, I guess?

Daniel: Nope, he really didn't bring up anything, he keeps asking me like, if- if Donald Trump asked me to be in his campaign back last year in 2023.

Clark: Yeah, I noticed that, I don't know why.

Daniel: Right, like why don't I just say, I'm doing a campaign because it would get me out of- it would get me out of custody?

Clark: True, I think he's just- *Daniel sighs* I don't know what, if he's just a f-

Daniel: And I said like, dude like, it's a little bit late on that, *Clark chuckles* Daniel: and it's really super unrealistic at this point.

Clark: *coughs* Exactly, it's like, how are you gonna- I mean, maybe if you were out right now and everything, but right now we gotta work on other things before that.

Daniel: Right, and also it's- it's difficult, because if I go...

[video cuts]

Clark: Dude- yeah, that's-

Daniel: I just don't know. I'm losing to find out.

Clark: I mean, it makes not a lot of sense, but I mean in this situation, there's not much we can do, 'cause the law is just not really speeding things along like we want.

Daniel: Right. But anyways, I gotta- I gotta go, OK...

Clark: OK

Daniel: ...the phone's almost up, I will try to call you back if I get out later...

Clark: OK.

Daniel: ...or I'll call you tomorrow.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: As of right now, let's just go ahead and say that the relationship is real and we got enough confirmation. Alright?

Clark: Alright.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Clark: Bye.


October 12


On October 14, 2024, Clark released a call between him and Daniel that took place two days prior. [5] This was the shortest call out of all of them, and mainly goes over Daniel's routine in jail and what he does in his time.

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Clark: *clears throat*

Automated voice: Your card was charged successfully.

[video cuts to conversation]

Daniel: Hello?

Clark: What's up, Danny Boy?

Daniel: *chuckles* Hey, so... um...

[video cuts]

Daniel: ...kind of like...

Clark: Yeah, it's...

Daniel: So, yeah I'm sorry they shut off the phone. They were giving medication and you're not supposed to- well, you're supposed to either be in your cell or in line for the medication, and I was in line waiting but I was also on the phone, and they decided to shut off the phone as well.

Clark: *laughs* That's bullshit.

Daniel: Yeah. *chuckles* So it's kind of like, OK, I just decided that I was gonna just sit in the chair waiting *laughing, unintelligible* the line! I just got down and just hopped in line.

Clark: Oh, people talking in line?

Daniel: Yeah, yeah. I think it's kind of uncalled for.

Clark: *chuckles*

Daniel: Like, 'cause I understand like, if somebody's not, you know, doing meds, yeah. But it's like, I'm just waiting in line as well! You know, the line's like, two inches from me! Give me a break...

Clark: *chuckles

Daniel: But yeah. Um... um... and then, I wanna say, 6:30-ish is breakfast.

Clark: And then what do you do? Do you go to work there?

Daniel And then- nope. I just do cards, or I watch TV or I start making phone calls, trying to figure stuff out.

Clark: Oh, have you been calling anyone else?

Daniel: Um, Bob and the lawyer...

Clark: Smart, smart.

Daniel: The public defender's office. Yeah, yeah.

Clark: Yeah, Bob's kinda useless sometimes. Well, actually no, 'cause he helped us get in contact.

Daniel: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, um, he is kind of useless sometimes. You are right.

Clark: Uh...

Daniel: I do ag- um... I- I should out by now. I- I agree.

Clark: Yeah. Um, and make sure not to lose any money playing cards. Do they play with money?

Daniel: They- they don't, 'cause nobody can carry cash on them.

Clark: *tired* Oh, awesome.

Daniel: I have a pillow and a blanket and the blanket is actually, it's better than the homeless shelter's give! It's bigger and more thick. Yeah.

Clark: Geez! At least you're staying a- at least you have housing now, you know?

Daniel: *laughs* LOL.

Clark: *laughs* I mean, in the best- in the worst way, but still.

Daniel: Right, how is Grace?

[video cuts]

Clark: Yeah, I mean, has anyone been- done anything to you in person? Like, said anything to you?

Daniel: Uh, the other cellmates are just going off about me and Grace, and going like, you know, just going around talking showing people photos and stuff off of the internet.

Clark: Geez, I mean, you could-

Daniel: Yeah, yeah, talking crap about it to the other inmates.

Clark: So you could get an iPad, but it would cost a lot?

Daniel: There's... no, there's only a limited number of iPads for each dorm, right, or each room I guess.

Clark: Geez. Aw, that sucks.

Daniel: Yeah.

[video cuts]

Clark: So, are they giving you any rec time or anything?

Daniel: Nope.

Clark: Geez! That's bullshit.

Daniel: Yeah. Right.

Clark: I mean, how are you supposed to walk around?

Daniel: Just walk around the unit, I guess. But, as far as the uh, I guess the court thing or rhatever (whatever) goes, or the release, I can *sighs* I don't even know, I can try and talk to the deputy and just say "Hey, I haven't even had a court date since I've been here. I don't think this is legal, you guys can't hold me this long without a court date.

Clark: Yeah, I mean, I think you- that's a smart idea.

Daniel: Because, I mean- *gets cut off*

[call suddenly terminates]

Automated voice: Thank you for using GTL.

October 23

On October 23, 2024, Daniel called Lil Sippy from jail. [6] Daniel reveals that he has run out of money and cannot send letters or emails, and Sippy gives Daniel advice for if he does get released. Daniel also claims that he will be focusing on his music and acting after being out, and not listening to the trolls.

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Automated voice: You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hello?

Daniel: Hello? Hey-uh.

Lil Sippy: What's up?

Daniel: Um, hey, so I can talk for a little bit right now if you're available.

Lil Sippy: OK, yeah it's fine.

Daniel: OK, *sighs* so I haven't been able to check my emails because I'm completely out of money again, so I'm kind of waiting until I can get more, so I can't check the emails, I can't really send any mail, um, because I'm completely out. Um...

Lil Sippy: Well, what about the phone? How can- you can't... can you call on the phone though?

Daniel: Phone calls are free.

Lil Sippy: Oh, that's nice. Um, they don't have indigent packets or anything?

Daniel: I... I guess they do, but that's for people that don't get money and I do. So, yeah...

Lil Sippy: OK. Who's been putting money on your books? Bob?

Daniel: Yes.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: But, he's not gonna be able to do much more because he believes I should be out, and he's running out of money fast. But anyways, um, so... everything that you are saying about, um, Interscope Records sending me the- well, trying to get me on contact along with Columbia Records, Taylor Swift being involved, all of that is true because Clark- Clark was saying, aka Griffin, was saying exactly the same thing. My family, uh Bob, and my disability housing services that I was in, they never believed any of it. So if this is all real, then this is major because I shouldn't even be in custody.

Lil Sippy: *coughs* So, you're not gonna do the verse on the Taylor Swift song from jail?

Daniel: I... I can't unfortunately. I have to wait on all music until I'm out of custody.

Lil Sippy: Oh, why's that?

[video cuts]

Daniel: ...and that he was a big, big factor in everything.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: He got me in contact, and I think he even for a while was trying to date Grace behind my back. But, I don't...

Lil Sippy: How... h- that's what I don't understand! How dare he! Trying to steal YOUR girlfriend!

Daniel: I... I don't know. I don't know at all, but it really really kind of fucked up everything.

Clark: That's insane! So he was just trying to be your friend because he knows that Grace is in love with you, and he was trying to get it in with Grace that way?

Daniel: I... I guess, yeah. I think he saw the light that was Grace was in love with me, and he tried to use me to get to her.

Lil Sippy: That's insane.

Daniel: I think. I don't think anything really happened, I don't know, but I do know that there was a bunch of issues along that line.

Lil Sippy: Wow. *coughs* Any updates from Grace lately?

Daniel: I don't have her number. I don't have any of her contact, everything is on straight up hold.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: Like, like my lawyer just... I haven't spoken to my lawyer since I've last told you that I did, everything is fucked. So like, I haven't heard any new updates. All my updates are from you and you only. So that's how bad things are right now.

Lil Sippy: OK. Yeah, have you, uh... um, I'm trying to think. OK, you sent me- you sent me the one letter that I never, I don't think I got back to you on.

Daniel: Yeah.

Lil Sippy: It was: can I ask you a few questions? Is the clit the same hole females pee from? No, uh, they pee from their urethra. Is a gag reflex normal when you're about to cum? I don't think so, no. Is pre-cum thick and sticky like regular cum?

Daniel: Say that again? I'm have a really hard time hearing you.

Lil Sippy: Well, do you- don't you remember the letter you-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Lil Sippy: Do you remember the letter you sent with all the questions?

Daniel: Yeah, that was fully me. Other people are sending letters from, uh, the jail as well.

Lil Sippy: With your name on them?

Daniel: Yes.

Lil Sippy: And they- they weren't like authorized by you? You didn't tell them to write them?

Daniel: They- Well, they were helping write the letters but they just, like, I- they were sending letters behind my back as well. I don't know 100% what they were saying, um, other people have, like, I told them, "Hey, can you write my letter for me?", they would write it, and then they would just, you know, from there just send it. So, I don't know what everything-

Lil Sippy: Why did they- why don't you write your own letters?

Daniel: Just because, like, I'm.. don't have a lot of time. Like, I'm trying to get a hold of my lawyer, like I said, I haven't even heard from him. Um, I'm either you know, just really busy and... just things are not working at all. Like, I haven't heard anybody. I haven't heard anything from anybody.

Lil Sippy: *overtalking* OK, so the- the questions...

Daniel: So, I'm like, I've been filing reports, I've been doing like, nothing but like, trying to figure out even what's going on.

Lil Sippy: The questions in that letter weren't from you?

Daniel: No, I- I haven't received any of your letters other than just the one that had the picture of, or the three pictures or whatever, I think five something of Grace?

Lil Sippy: Yeah. OK, um...

Daniel: That was the only one I got.

Lil Sippy: So the update I have for you for your case is that your, -your judge is probably going to... the judge said that she's probably gonna dismiss your case if you're not moved to Springfield by the end of December.

Daniel: OK? Right.

Lil Sippy: Because there's a 4-month period that they're authorized to like, um, evaluate you? And it doesn't start until you've moved to Springfield, but basically, it-

Daniel: Right, and, and... well, I also have information on that. I was supposed to be moved before November.

Lil Sippy: Yeah you were, but they don't have like the bed date. They have- they don't have enough room for you in the psych part of MCFP Springfield, um...

Daniel: Right.

Lil Sippy: But their lawyer's basically saying that your trial rights are being violated. Um... yeah

Daniel: They are! My case should be dropped! I've been wanting to take my case to speedy trial already, and I've been told I can't!

Lil Sippy: Your lawyer...

Daniel: So my case should be fully dropped by now!

Lil Sippy: Yeah, your lawyer tried to argue to get it dropped right now, and the judge said that she's not gonna drop it right now, but if you still haven't been transferred by the end of the December, she will probably drop the case completely.

Daniel: OK, that's good news...

Lil Sippy: But then if you DO end up getting transferred before the end of the year, you have to be at Springfield for four months to get evaluated and the case won't dropped, so just hope that you don't get transferred.

Daniel: Right, I've been taking, I guess therapy here. Um, I just started a sign- I just signed up for therapy here at this jail too, which is supposed to count, uh, for therapy. So maybe I don't even have to get transferred, because I'm just doing therapy here.

Lil Sippy: Well, it's not really therapy that they're trying to do, they're trying to evaluate you to see if you're gonna, if you're likely to become competent anytime soon.

Daniel: Right. Right, and, I don't know what that entails. My, my-uh... public defender is saying all it is is just uh, therapy, but that's what he's saying.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. If, if- So you'll be there for like, four months, and then if the doctors don't think you're likely to, uh, become competent anytime soon, then they're gonna try to civilly commit you under Colorado state law.

Daniel: Right.

Lil Sippy: Yup, so my advice to you when you get out, just stay off the Internet as much as you can, or stay off- I guess, stay off- stay away from the people on Reddit, bro, because I've noticed-

Daniel: Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do, is just kind of lay low. I've already made that decision.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, the people- it's such a big dichotomy, big difference. You look at the TikTok people, the TikTok fans of you, they love you. You look on Reddit, they hate you.

Daniel: It's all hate. It's ALL hate.

Lil Sippy: So, and these are the-

Daniel: And then, also, one more thing. Grace is supposed to be looking at houses and uh, getting houses for us, or a house for us in Colorado. And she was supposed to do that back earlier this year. I don't have any updates, I don't know if she's even done that.

Lil Sippy: OK, well good for you, that I hope you move in with Grace. Um, if you do or if you don't, you know, I'm just saying it would be a good idea to just, *sighs* to not put any personal information on the internet like you were before. 'Cause you were kinda-

Daniel: Alright.

Lil Sippy: You know what I mean? You know what I'm trying to say?

Daniel: Yeah, no, I agree.

Lil Sippy: I'm just trying to help you because...

Daniel: I- I feel like I shouldn't even be transferred to the psychiatric place because I've already talked to psych here, and they said like, I don't even really want to be posting my life on social media, I just wanna do straight up music, and...

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: ...some acting, so I could get back into my acting stuff.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: But I don't wanna post my everyday life. I ended up doing that to stay alive while homeless. I don't wanna- I don't wanna just keep doing that because that's what the issue is.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. Definitely.

Daniel: And then, also apparently, there's deepfakes going around of me. That's a big scary thing too.

Lil Sippy: *coughs* Yep, there's deepfakes, there's um, you know, there was that- I think I just figured out that that, that recording of Bob was fake. Bob was never making money off of your like, Daniel Larson costumes, that was made by trolls.

Daniel: I- I think it is. I think it's all fake, and I think it was made to try to throw me off to get me arrested.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, so I feel like a lot of the threats came from anger, from trolls. And you were kind of enabling the trolls by posting everything online..

Daniel: Right.

Lil Sippy: ...and if you would've just not, if you would just stay silent on the internet... *coughs* or you could still post, just don't pay attention to the comments and stuff. Um, and don't post anything personal.

Daniel: OK.

Lil Sippy: You'd be fine, but you- you kind of post like, where, you know, what restaurant you're at, and then they call the restaurant and try to say that you're gonna run around naked or something? You know?

Daniel: Right! Well, pfft, yeah like, why would fans or, not really fans but haters of my fanbase, right? Call restaurants and tell them I'm gonna run through the restaurant nude, naked. Like, that- that makes no sense.

Lil Sippy: Well, I would suppose it's because they're jealous of your relationship with Grace, but I don't know.

Daniel: I think they are!

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I think they are jealous of my relationship with Grace, and they're just trying to create bigger issues.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: But anyways, *sighs* I just thought I would give you a call. Um, also can you send me, um, what we were talking about yesterday on the phone. Can you just... or??

Lil Sippy: The- you want the address and the phone number of the CEO of Interscope Records?

Daniel: Yeah, I need like, the actual, like, proof so I could show my lawyer.

Lil Sippy: OK, I can, uh... I can try to get you that guy's number. Um, I still have some more photos of Grace and JoJo, and Emma. I don't know what to send you, I know you wanted some Taylor Swift, and uh, Ariana Grande, but I'm probably just gonna send you the rest of the ones. I have a lot more of Grace and JoJo Siwa, and... uh, and Emma Watson, I'll just probably send those until we're out of those, if you want.

Daniel: OK. Alright. And then..

Lil Sippy: What do you do with the pictures? Do you put them up on your wall, or?

Daniel: I just, *sighs* I kind of put them up on my wall, stuff like that.

Lil Sippy: Then you can just, hang them on your wall with toothpaste, that's what I did when I was in jail, just put them, put them on the wall with toothpaste.

Daniel: Yeah, I gotta- I gotta go, I don't have much more time, there's a line for the phone, and I'm only out till 3 today.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: But, it's good to know that if I don't get transferred, then they'll drop the case by December?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, end of December, yeah.

Daniel: The end of December, 'cause that would be great if I could be with family.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. Bob and them? I would hope that.

Daniel: My family. Like, the first. Yeah, the first month, or the first Christmas at least in a couple months, or a couple years.

Lil Sippy: Definitely.

Daniel: That would be great because, I just haven't been with them at all. *other inmates can be heard yelling the background*

Lil Sippy: Yeah, so anyway, have a good day, and I'm hoping the best for you. That's the updates I have. Um, but yeah.

Daniel: OK. Alright, I appreciate it. Thank you.

Lil Sippy: You're welcome. Bye now.

Daniel: Bye.

October 24

Daniel and Lil Sippy had a brief phone conversation on October 24, 2024. [7] Lil Sippy was already on the phone with another caller when Daniel calls him.

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*Lil Sippy is on the phone with another caller, when his phone beeps as Daniel calls from jail.

Lil Sippy (to other caller): Hey, I'm getting uh- I'm getting another call if you wanna call me back in like, 15 minutes? *answers Daniel's call*

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To block this call... *Lil Sippy presses 5* Automated voice: You may begin speaking now.

Daniel: Hello?

Lil Sippy: What's up bro? What's going on?

Daniel: Hey! I don't have much time to talk, but, um, I was able to talk to Bob, um... and he is concerned about me possibly getting released. Uh, my case dropped, or whatever. He is saying that it would be best if I could try to get to where they drop it in November, so I'm not crite (quite) sure how we can try to figure out how we can you know, get that, but...

Lil Sippy: I don't think they're gonna drop it in November, honestly.

Daniel: I don't think- I don't think they will either, but he's concerned about if I drop the case, then I'm not getting the help with housing. I'll be right back on the streets, and case management here says I have to be sentenced to be able to get the resources, otherwise it's a court order.

Lil Sippy: There's other...

Daniel: So everything is kind of, he said, she said.

Lil Sippy: You don't have to be locked up to get affordable housing though.

Daniel: Right. Right. And, uh-

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I- so you said Bob is worried about the case getting dropped in November instead of December?

Daniel: Well, well he wants the case to get dropped in November. He says I'm innocent. Um, it's also a point to where he's pissed off at Tina, he's the complete opposite of the VanderWaals. He's pissed off at Tina for not moving with Grace- or Grace moving to Colorado, not owning up to their word, and I'm kind of the monkey in the middle, which is what led to this entire situation with me even being in custody.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: Uh, Bob was going to try to help get me housing, um, a long time ago.

Lil Sippy: Hey- where does Bob live? Where's Bob?

Daniel: He's in Denver.

Lil Sippy: Denver? So, *groans* it'll- has... he hasn't come to visit you at all?

Daniel: Nope. Um...

Lil Sippy: Have you tried to get him on your visiting list?

Daniel: Yeah, and he's also sick right now so he can't even visit. He's sick with something. I don't know what, but he's unable to even really do much right now.

Lil Sippy: Is he going to get better?

Daniel: Yeah, I know he's gonna get better. Um, we're trying to figure out what it even is, I don't think he's went to the doctor or anything. He says it's like a common cold, but he doesn't...

Lil Sippy: It's just, to me it just feels like you're gonna get moved to Springfield soon, so you would probably want to visit him. I don't know- do- if, when he gets better, will he be able to visit you in Springfield or is that too far of a drive?

Daniel: That's way too far of a drive, like, at that point, I don't even think he would be that much of a help anymore. He does not want me being transferred whatsoever. He says I'm innocent and he needs the case dropped. And he's blaming everything on Tina and Grace.

Lil Sippy: How- how do you know that you're talking to the real Bob and not a troll pretending to be Bob.

Daniel: Because I- I've, like I said, I've been with him in person.

Lil Sippy: OK. Um...

Daniel: Like... but he's just blaming 100% everything, I've shown him actual texts before I got arrested of what Grace was-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: He's a witness.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, um, OK. Yeah, I just looked it up and it looks like Denver to Springfield flight, I mean- I'm sorry, a drive is like 11 and a half hours?

Daniel: And he would never do that. He's not that type of person. He doesn't even care. Um, it's- it's a mess, I mean, like, my safety is being completely violated in here, it's already been violated, I've filed multiple reports. I don't even have shampoo anymore, I- well I haven't had shampoo in over a couple months. The- there's like, literally stuff inside the jail like, lights that are constantly out. Our sale is like, everything is just falling apart, so who knows. Like- like I said, things are just really, really up and down, more down than up. *chuckles* You know?

Lil Sippy: Did you get, did you get my email I sent you though?

Daniel: I did, um, I'm still waiting on Bob to even send me the money. He's complaining about it, so...

Lil Sippy: OK. Um, well, so...

Daniel: I can't even get enough money on my books to even pay fines right now, if I got any.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I'm trying, like I said to- I'm trying everything I can, but I'm just not being given a chance and I've never been given a chance, which sucks. Like, it's ridiculous.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I know, I know you were talking about before that you have to get all the numbers approved, but I feel like, um, if it's your lawyer's number, you shouldn't have to get it approved. You should probably just be able to call it without getting it approved. If it doesn't work, you could probably just put in a request slip to the CO saying, hey this is my lawyer's number.

Daniel: Right, um... just so... just to let you know, I do have to go on lockdown, there is one more thing. Um, can you send me like, the- in like a, um... Grace's or her mother's contact or something?

Lil Sippy: I can try to get that for you, yeah.

Daniel: OK, yeah, 'cause I can see, I don't know who I will ask, but I can see here at the jail if it's approved or not, and I'll be able to verify that.

Lil Sippy: Grace and- Grace and um, Tina's number approved or the lawyer's number?

Daniel: Yes, Grace and Tina, and I guess Columbia Records.

Lil Sippy: OK, I got- uh, I already got the Columbia Records info, try to find Tina's info for you if I can.

Daniel: OK, I- I gotta go, I gotta go they're putting me on lockdown.

Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night bro.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Lil Sippy: Bye.

October 26

Daniel and Lil Sippy had a phone conversation on October 26, 2024. [8] Daniel's delusions appear to be getting worse, as he claimed that Taylor Swift wanted him to come on her Eras Tour, but he declined.

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Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To bl- *Lil Sippy presses 5* Automated voice: You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hello?

Daniel: (Hel)-lo? Hey!

[video cuts]

Daniel: Right, I think that uh, Clark aka Griffin because he got me in contact with Grace originally, which um, somewhere along the line he-uh-e, started trolling.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: So, I believe that he was trying to, um, troll me to end up getting to Grace, so Grace could end up dating him instead of me.

Lil Sippy: I se- yeah, that makes sense.

Daniel: I could see, I could see that making sense.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: Uh, Tina has always been... I guess one day she's OK, one day she's another. I- I think she didn't quite believe or understand what was going on, as they wanted to help, but they didn't know how, and then Grace was already like, oh, let's move on with the relationship, and I think in the end, she was moving too quickly and I was moving to quickly.

Lil Sippy: Hm. I mean, that makes sense. It- yeah.

Daniel: If that makes sense, and then Tina wasn't even really notified, so she was notified last-minute, and they were like, oh, now we have to figure out what we're gonna do, and I don't think they even knew what to do.

Lil Sippy: Mhm, yeah.

Daniel: But I- um, and then, also, um, another strange thing Griffin did, I don't even know if this was really him or what. But when I was in contact with Tina and Grace somewhere along the line, I got my number leaked, my phone number.

Lil Sippy: Mhm.

Daniel: And, um... a bunch of underaged celebrities started messaging me. So I believe that Griffin aka Clark, was- was trying to something that they, he shouldn't have done and tried to get me into legal trouble. I don't know. But-

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Daniel: Yeah, they tried to get me in contact with Issy Simpson from America's Got Talent, um, Charlotte Summers from Britain's Got Talent, um, and a bunch of others including JoJo Siwa and Taylor Swift.

Lil Sippy: Well, JoJo Siwa's an adult.

Daniel: Well, JoJo Siwa is an adult, Taylor Swift's an adult, Ariana Grande is an adult, but that could also explain the collaboration Taylor Swift wants to do, 'cause she wanted me on her Eras Tour and I turned it down, because I was homeless. And I really shouldn't have done that, I straight up told her like, I can't confirm anything because you're not, you know, showing yourself on camera, you're not doing anything, and so I don't know if I can confirm who you are. *coughs*

Lil Sippy: Ye.

Daniel: And so I turned it down, and sure enough, I found out like a month later, her Eras Tour was actually a real thing and I was like "what the hell?"

Lil Sippy: That's crazy.

Daniel: So I was not given all the information and I was, there was some other weird stuff going on where it was like, um... which I guess isn't really a bad thing, but um, Darci um, wanted to be on Grace's tour at some point.

Lil Sippy: Oh, wow!

Daniel: Like Grace's uh, a rold (world) tour that Grace wanted to do or something.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I'm pretty sure-

Daniel: I don't know, but it was weird and there was a bunch of other celebrities that wanted to go, but they were all underaged and the tour wasn't supposed to be for like, another 2-3 years. So, it was all mixed up.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, if you would have accepted- if you would have went on tour with Taylor Swift though, I'm pretty sure they would've given you housing.

Daniel: Uh, if I- right. If I would have just agreed to the Taylor Swift tour, I'm pretty sure that they would've. But also, I- you know that video I told you about, Bob and the phone call where he's like saying, you know, fuck Daniel, I hate him. Um, I'll make sure I give him a little bit of money to him at a time, but not all.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: And he claimed it- he claimed it was photoshopped or AI.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I believe that that is actually real, and the reason I believe it is real is back in 2023, around the time that it says that Grace was in contact with me and Tina. Bob took me to the bank and told me to stay in the car while Bob went inside and transferred money into my account. He's never done that before, that was the only time he's ever done that, and surprisingly enough, that one time he didn't want me going in because he didn't want to see something or whatever, right? Or me to see something. And, um, it wasn't till that afternoon when I asked him while I was in the car like, "Hey, why didn't you let me go inside?", and he didn't say a thing. He was just- he was silent and I just shut my mouth completely. But he's never done that, he's always wanted me to go into the bank with him. So I believe he might have signed the contract on my behalf without my permission.

Lil Sippy: I don't know, Bob- it seems like Bob really cares about you a lot. I don't know if he would do something like that.

Daniel: And he, I don't- right, and I don't know 'cause I don't have evidence. That's the thing, I don't have evidence to say he did or didn't. But...

Lil Sippy: Didn't- don't you think if he was stealing from you, the feds doing all their investigation on you would have picked on that too, and he would have got in trouble?

Daniel: I think they would, and I think they also would've picked up on Griffin and they never did, so. But anyways, I'm getting locked down for the night. I will be out again tomorrow, and I will try to either call you depending on if I have time, or I'll call the label.

Lil Sippy: I'll... I'll..

Daniel: I'll send you an email instead, alright?

Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night.

Daniel: You too. Bye.

Lil Sippy: Bye.

October 30

Daniel called Lil Sippy in the late morning hours of October 30, 2024. [9]

Daniel discusses the lack of communication with his public defender, as he said in every call since September. He shifted the conversation to Interscope and LBI, which Lil Sippy was not familiar with. He says he will not be transferred anytime soon, as he spoke with a caseworker, social worker, and nurse at the jail, who all confirmed he won't be transferred by December 31. Lil Sippy advises him to stop dwelling on Tina and Grace, and Daniel agrees, adding that Grace is an adult and can do anything she wants. They discuss the threats, to which Daniel attributes to being "terrified and confused while homeless", and how he was hanging out with Dylan Clark in a homeless shelter.

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Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. *Lil Sippy presses 5* Automated voice: You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Yo, what's up?

Daniel: *as his line connects* (Hel)-lo?

Lil Sippy: Hello?

Daniel: Hey, this is Daniel.

Lil Sippy: What's going on?

Daniel: Hey...

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Daniel: ...CEO.

Lil Sippy: Nice. Were you able to get, uh, your lawyer's number approved?

Daniel: Not- well, it should be, I put it in the computer this morning for the phones. Um, it should be either tonight or tomorrow.

Lil Sippy: OK, cool.

Daniel: Um, do you know at all, like... I know Interscope Records was in contact with me previously and wanted to hire me. Do you know at all what's going on with Columbia Records at all? Because I was also in contact with them and Grace's entertainment management, LBI.

Lil Sippy: Most- you mean BMI?

Daniel: L, uh... LBI.

Lil Sippy: It's LBI? I haven't heard of LBI, I've heard of BMI, not LBI, but um...

Daniel: Weird, OK.

Lil Sippy: I can, hold on. Let me look up what is- let me try to look up what is LBI.

Daniel: LBI Entertainment.

Lil Sippy: *types into phone* LBI... Entertainment. Oh, it came up. OK, huh. Interesting.

Daniel: And they are Grace's management from my understanding, and I've been in contact with them for the past like, five years.

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK. Yeah, BMI is Broadcast Music Incorporation so I guess, I don't know, I was getting them mixed up. But, yeah, I don't think I've head anything about uh... Columbia besides what you told me, that it's Grace's label and stuff.

Daniel: OK.

Lil Sippy: And I guess Interscope and Columbia are fighting over you and you know, they- *gets interrupted*

Daniel: Yeah, I know that.

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Lil Sippy: Alright. Have you been talking to, uh, your lawyer or anything- anybody lately, or no?

Daniel: Nope... I haven't heard anything. But anyways, besides that, I mean, really no progress no nothing at the jail. It's the same it was last week and the week before, and the week before that.

Lil Sippy: You just gotta wait to go to Springfield. Once you get to Springfield, you know, you have four months to do there and then..

Daniel: Well, that's IF I get transferred, because if I don't by the end of Novem- or the end of December, right? End of December, then my case gets dropped, right?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, that's what the judge said, the judge said she'll probably drop your case at the end of December if you're not moved to Springfield by then. Well if you-

Daniel: OK, 'cause I was, I was talking to the jail and they don't have me next on the list either, and they don't know when the next bus is and I'm not even on that list.

Lil Sippy: But if you do end up- all I'm saying is if you do end up going to Springfield, you'll be there for, I think four months.

Daniel: Yeah. I do know that if I get transferred there I'll be there for four months. But there, I talked to the jail here, and I talked to the case worker and the social worker here at the jail, and they're all just saying that I'm not being transferred yet and I'm not anywhere close on the list.

Lil Sippy: I think in the court papers I was looking at, it said, uh, sometime in November is their estimate, so. It didn't say when or whatever.

Daniel: Well, I would have- I would have to see the nurse first because the nurse sees all people a week prior to them being transferred, and the nurse that like, I'm nowehere near on the list. So...

Lil Sippy: So maybe towards the end of November is what they mean, I don't know. It just says November on the-

Daniel: Well, the end of November is Thanksgiving.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: And they're not gonna be doing transfers at Thanksgiving. If anything, it would be the first or second week in December, or it would be this next bus and they don't even have the next bus on the list because of all the... I guess all the election stuff, they're delaying it, and I guess Boeing as well is having issues because the people that do transfers are Boeing.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see what happens, it's all we can do at this point.

Daniel: Yeah, so we're just playing this waiting game right now, and beside that I mean...

Lil Sippy: It sucks, but that's...

Daniel: It sucks.

Lil Sippy: ...that's all it is. I tried-

Daniel: Yup. I mean, at this point I think everybody prefers my case gets dropped, but we can't- we don't have any power over that,, so...

Lil Sippy: If it's so tough for you to deal with... if Tina's being such a, you know, idiot and making stuff so hard for you, why don't you just like, forget about Grace for now and just focus on yourself?

Daniel: I- *sighs* I agree, I mean, I think- I think me and Tina just got off on the wrong foot and because I was homeless, I just wasn't thinking straight. And um, I think if she was able to talk to me now, things would be completely different.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: Um, I mean, at this point, all it is is just a waiting game and see what happens.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I doubt that Grace will do anything um, to contact you while you're in jail.

Daniel: I mean, if- if she does, it's up to her.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: It's up to her. I mean, she's her own adult...

Lil Sippy: And she can give you- she can, yeah.

Daniel: She's her own person, so in the end it's up to her.

Lil Sippy: But people-...

Daniel: Tina doesn't want her to, she needs to realize that like, if she wants to talk to me, she can talk to me. It doesn't matter what Tina says, she's not-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: She's not a minor anymore.

Template:Lil Sippy: Yeah, but-

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Daniel: ...does.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, TikTok...

Daniel: It- I mean, at this point, I know what's going on. I know everything on what's going on, I understand it. I mean, I believe it's all just, a bunch of bullshit and I really should be released from custody.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: And I need to be able to be given a chance, but I- I just can't get back out without a safety regulation or something. I have to, you know, really try to figure out how things are gonna work once I get out. That's kind of where things are now.

Lil Sippy: You think you have problems controlling your anger?

Daniel: Not, not really. I mean, when I was homeless... I mean being out in like 20 degree weather, I mean of course I'm not gonna be doing that great. *sighs* I mean...

Lil Sippy: Yeah, but...

Daniel: My anger overall, I mean, I don't really have anger issues. I can take a lot of stress.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, but you don't think that sometimes you get angry and you do stuff without thinking, like make threats or something, that you-

Daniel: No, uh no, I made the threats because I was terrified and I was confused on why the record labels weren't paying me. And Bob kept telling me that I wasnever in contact with the record labels and I was never in contact with Grace, and I was being told that by the FBI too.

Lil Sippy: Do you trust Bob now?

Daniel: I... to be honest, I really don't. I only trust the facts that I have, the proof that I have.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: That's what I trust, because I am the only person that lived that situation, and I was the one that was actually receiving the texts, and was receiving the things that I know now. You see what I mean?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I see what you mean. What was going...

Daniel: So, and so I made the threats, I made the threats to try to get help. I was on M1 holds, mental health holds.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I went to, um, homeless shelters and apparently the police are saying, another thing is the police in reports of my legal discovery, were saying that I was hanging out with D- Dylan Clark, or Daylen Clark, right?

Lil Sippy: Oh, yeah I remember.

Daniel: The guy in Boulder and how he made threats as well or whatever?

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I was- I was at a homeless shelter with him. I had no choice to, you know, be surrounding him. He was surrounding me because we were at the homeless shelter together and I'm getting judged by the police for that. That's ridiculous!

Lil Sippy: Yeah, it's messed up. You just gotta make sure your lawyer doesn't let them use that against you in court, um...

Daniel: Right, and the same thing, they're using the fact that like, I was in disability services already and using people in disability services to target me is absolutely ridiculous. That's targeting not only me, that's targeting them too. That's not OK.

Lil Sippy: That's crazy. Why- so why did you always on YouTube, why would you always respond-

Daniel: I -just to let you know, I gotta go. The call's about to break up and lunch is here.

Lil Sippy: Ok, alright, have a good-

Daniel: I'll try to talk to you here in a little bit, or um, in a couple days, alright?

Lil Sippy: Alright, just call me when you get the chance. Have a good lunch.

Daniel: Alright, you too. Bye

Lil Sippy: Alright, bye.

October 31

Lil Sippy and Daniel called again on Halloween. [10] Daniel believes Bob is ruining his life.

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Automated voice: To block this call- *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: What's good! Hello?

Daniel: Hey! I don't have long to talk, I only have about two minutes I can talk.

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Daniel: Yeah, and then also I tried to talk to Bob earlier today about me and my release, seeing if he can, or seeing if I can get out in November instead of December because if I get released in December, let's just say, then I'm not gonna have time before Christmas to get my new state ID and to get back on my feet, even though I have money in my bank account now because I've been in custody.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. *coughs*

Daniel: And Bob was trying to say on the phone that like, yeah I have money in my bank account but I'm still going to need help financially because it's not, um, it's not a lot of money, it's like one month of an apartment...

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: ...which he needs to realize, right? And I don't think a lot of people realize this, I don't even think my fanbase realizes this. When I was traveling across the United States, even though Bob paid for like, the big airplane tickets and stuff like that, I was paying, I was paying for the Greyhound tickets, I was paying for food, I was paying for hotels, I was paying the majority and I, uh- this year I've lost so much money that I've not been making because I've been in custody, it's no longer a joke. I was- if I was out right now, all year I would have probably been in like, the upper uh... six digits in my income by now, like no joke because that's how much I was making.

Lil Sippy: Oh wow. Like a mil- looks like, like hundreds of thousands of dollars?

Daniel: Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars because I was making, I was making like, back in 2022 when Bob wasn't even helping, I was making the most money.

Lil Sippy: *coughs* OK.

Daniel: And as soon as I asked Bob to try to help get me in an apartment, even one month and he denied it, we argued and he ended up saying he was going to pay for hotel rooms. Well,

Lil Sippy: Well, I mean Grace like, Grace has a lot of money, why don't you- you don't think Grace would pay for anything?

Daniel: Tina won't let her.

Lil Sippy: Oh man, Tina again. OK

Daniel: Tina just won't- Tina won't do anything and Tina won't let Grace help, it's been an issue.

Lil Sippy: It's crazy.

Daniel: The thing is, I'm to a point I am, my life is being destroyed by Bob at this point, and I don't think he realizes it.

Lil Sippy: Bob is destroying your life? I thought Bob was helping you.

Daniel: He was helping me previously but it's to a point that he's saying things that without enough information, and talking to people behind my back like my lawyer, and I'm already deemed incompetent, if you know what I mean.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I- I'm to a point I feel like nobody even cares, you know? People just want me and my career over and I would have been doing fine if Bob would've just, you know, got the apartment one month way back last year because when I started going from the street to the hotel, to the street to the hotel...

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

...my fans were confused, And it's similar to the news, right? When the fans are confused or the world is confused, they don't know what to believe and so eventually, people fall off the board, you know, people fall off the market.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. One sec..

Daniel: And you have to- you have to something built that the fans can believe, and right now Bob is completely destroying that reputation.

Lil Sippy: Bob is destroying a reputation? What has he been doing?

Daniel: He's- like I said, he's been paying for the hotel rooms, he's been putting money on my books, he's now to a point where he's arguing about-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: Now to a point to where he's arguing about the amount that he's putting on my books and saying that like, he can't do it that much more, it- it's to a point I was doing better financially and being able to support myself when he wasn't helping at all, when he was just a friend.

Lil Sippy: Wow.

Daniel: And- and I feel like that financial aspect when he was paying for the hotel rooms and now to the point where he's saying, "I don't know if, you know, 'cause you're going to need financial help", no I don't, because if I was making enough in 2022 to be able to travel across the United States, I definitely had enough money to get on my feet.

Lil Sippy: So, I thought- but you're saying you're making money while you're in jail now, right?

Daniel: Only because of him and my music distribution. If was out this year, this entire year, I would've made probably... I want to say six to seven songs by now. I was already, um, in my bank account I had $100 saved and I only needed 100 more and I was averaging 100 in saving a week to be able to get into the recording studio. I only needed 200 more, that's only two weeks.

Lil Sippy: Well, that's just the studio. You gotta think about housing too, though.

Daniel: Right, but I was saying that like, I would've already had housing by now with the amount that I would have been making.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I've used the calculator in the jail, I've added everything up. The amount Bob was giving me versus what I can make and then the hotel rooms versus what I can make, and then the hotel rooms vs. the apartment, the apartment would have been a whole lot cheaper.

Lil Sippy: So... so it's Bob's fault that you're in jail too though, right?

Daniel: It's yes and no. I want to say that he's a big factor in my fan base falling apart because he was keeping me homeless at the time, and when my fans started seeing me on the streets vs the hotel back and forth, I was losing fans.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. So, if he would've just...

Daniel: That's a big factor in all the manipulation towards me.

Lil Sippy: So, if Bob would've just stepped up to the plate and given you enough money for housing, then...

Daniel: My fans probably would not have thought I was crazy and would not have manipulated me.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: When the fans saw that I was being on the street homeless and I was getting hotel rooms, everybody was asking me. Fans were coming up to me saying, "Where are you getting this money? Is Bob giving it to you?" and I said yes. And then at that point, it just got worse and then over time, fans were thinking I wasn't capable of anything and they didn't know that the money Bob was giving to me, a majority of it, I was saving behind Bob's back, and as soon as Bob found out, he would stop paying me. He would stop paying for hotels and then I would be back on the street, and then I would end up losing followers again.

Lil Sippy: And it all makes sense now, it does. You make a good argument for it all being, uh, Bob's fault. You know, I never looked at it from that angle before.

Daniel: Right, and in the end- in the end, Grace was just telling me like, "Hey, you need to do this, you need to do that. You need to get this done." I was trying to do that all along, and Bob and the FBI agents were telling me I was never in contact with Grace.

Lil Sippy: *overtalking* Well why do you think they were telling you that?

Daniel: I feel like if Bob would've known as well that if Grace was in contact all along and was able to verify it, Bob would have gotten the apartment.

Lil Sippy: What do you think their motives for telling you that uh, Grace- you were never in contact with Grace's... well, why would they tell you that?

Daniel: *sighs* I think it was because Tina, I think Tina just didn't really like me because I was homeless and she wanted somebody for Grace that could actually take care of her as well, and somebody mature.

Lil Sippy: But I don't think Grace really cares about any of that. Grace just, uh, I think it feels like she wants you. She doesn't care about somebody rich or what anything like that.

Daniel: I'm saying that from Tina's perspective.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, OK. Yeah.

Daniel: But, but yeah I- I think everything is messed up. I've been listening to the news and I've been seeing how um, uh, the entire trash America thing on TV right now on Fox News, trash America.

Lil Sippy: Oh, yeah.

Daniel: And Trump in the tri- pickup truck.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, Trump-

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Lil Sippy: ...that he was doing well. Yup.

Daniel: Yeah, well the crazy thing is I feel that way about America right now. I literally, I'm just to a point to where it's like, everybody in my life at the time, the VanderWaals should've stepped up, Bob should've just went and got the hotel, I mean the apartment, not the hotel room, but just went and got the apartment, paid one month, that's 30 days of my fans and getting spotted in public I could have saved up money for the next month. And instead I was paying for $100 to $200 for a hotel room a day, and an apartment is only $2000 a month.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. You can get cheaper apartments than that, but yeah.

Daniel: Right, you can get cheaper apartments, so I'm just saying that is extreme manipulation financially when it comes to my fanbase.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: And I don't think Bob realized. But anyways, I gotta go, they're locking us down.

Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night man.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Lil Sippy: Alright, bye.

November 2024

November 9

Daniel called Lil Sippy on November 9, 2024. Daniel claims that he is suing the US government. [11]

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Automated voice: …hang up now. *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hello?

Daniel: Hello?

Lil Sippy: What’s going on?

Daniel: Hey! So, um, just curious, did the feds show up at your house or anything?


Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’ve- they were here, uh, I don’t know, a few weeks ago.

Daniel: OK, OK. Um, is everything OK?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I just told them I’m not gonna make a statement, and they went away. That was it.

Daniel: Oh, ok- ok. Weird. Well…

Lil Sippy: You think it was about you?

Daniel: No, I- I just, I was told by somebody that apparently the feds showed up at your house.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, it was the Secret Service and uh…

Daniel: The Secret Service, OK.

Lil Sippy: I assumed that it was because of you, because I’m in contact with you, and you’ve made threats against the- or you’re accused of making threats against the president or whatever, the White House. Um, but I didn’t stick around to talk them, I just told them to go away. Who told you that?

Daniel: Uh, Griffin. Um, but I also found out new information.

Lil Sippy: Oh, what’s that?

Daniel: So I guess, uh- you can possibly, are you anywhere near a computer?

Lil Sippy: Um, not right now, but I can go inside and- well, I’m on my phone. If you need me to look something up for you, I can look it up on my phone.

Daniel: OK, well… so I guess on the BOP website, it says my current release date is the 25th.

Lil Sippy: I don’t think it says that, I can look it up though.

Daniel: Um, because I guess that’s- I’m not sure, but that’s what I’m being told by Griffin, and also, I talked to the release- uh, I guess the pre-release management here at the jail and they’ve also told me that um, it’s the 25th of this month if I’m not transferred.

Lil Sippy: Well, the BOP, the BOP website says, it still says unknown. It still says “release date unknown”. You might be getting transferred the 5th- I don’t know, if the jail told you that then that’s probably true, but the website still says “release date unknown”, and that’s because you haven’t been sentenced yet, right? Um

Daniel: Right, I was being told that the case is to get dropped if I’m not transferred by the 25th, and they’re dropping the case.

Lil Sippy: It’s not the 25th, the- the court documents say the judge said if you’re not transferred by the end of December, then she’ll probably dismiss the case. But um, yeah, you’ll probably get transferred. If they’re saying the 25th, then you’ll probably go the 25th, um, but you know Griffin lies to you a lot bro.

Daniel: No, I know. I know he does, but I also got crazy information.

Lil Sippy: What was that?

Daniel: It’s now, it’s now been over a week and Bob has not gotten back to me, and today’s the last commissary before the 25th.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: So I would not be able to get clothing, but I have everything already ready, I’ve talked to uh, pre-release and everything. They’re all ready. I will get a new state ID when I get released and everything.

Lil Sippy: What is Bob’s problem? Why is Bob not sending you money?

Daniel: The last time Bob sent me money was over two and a half weeks ago, maybe three.

Lil Sippy: What’s his problem? Is he sick or what?

Daniel: I have no clue. He told me to stop talking about Griffin and stop talking to you about him, and I- I stopped talking to both of- both you and Griffin about him, and then all of a sudden, he just stopped communication, and I called Griffin and I said, “hey what’s going on? I’m concerned about Bob?” because I have the right to be concerned, right?

Lil Sippy: That’s crazy. Yeah, definitely.

Daniel: And it’s now been over a week, and my public defender is also telling me that my like… I told-

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Daniel: This was way back in like, October. I told my public defender, I guess my release date is either in November or December, right?

Lil Sippy: Yup.

Daniel: At the time it was actually, Griffin was saying it was November. My public defender said, “OK, who’s telling you that? Where are you getting this information?” And I said, “I guess it’s posted online. Griffin aka Clark told me.”

Lil Sippy: Yeah, the BOP-

Daniel: And then at that point, um, I haven’t been told anything else, and I have been told that if Griffin was lying to me, he would already be arrested on conspiracy and that has not happened.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, so um… on the BOP site it still says unknown, and you might be getting trans- if they’re telling you you’re getting transferred on the- what did you say, the 25th, you’re probably getting transferred on the 25th right? But..

Daniel: I’m not, right, I’m not being transferred on the 25th. There’s no date as of right now on when I’m being transferred.

Lil Sippy: Oh, so there-

Daniel: There’s no bus, they’re saying that there’s- it’s probably gonna be like that for the next couple months. They’re saying that since the election, they’re not getting funding.

Lil Sippy: OK, so um…

Daniel: So, I guess- I don’t know, but they’re not getting funding. That’s all I know.

Lil Sippy: Well, remember I told you that the judge said that she’s probably gonna uh, dismiss the case if you’re still there by December 31st, so that would be nice.

Daniel: Right, Bob and I- the last conversation I had with Bob is, we’re trying to push it to this month.

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Daniel: Because if I can get out this month, then I can get the apartment. Um, I talked to pre-trial services and pre-trial services, and I guess, uh, pre-release management, or pre-release, whatever it is who controls like, state IDs and stuff like that. They said that they- I can get that the day I leave here, and um, I can go like-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: It’s basically a valid ID so I can use it like the second I get it. It’s valid anywhere, so I would I guess be able to get a new like, actual state ID from the uh, DMV.

Lil Sippy: That would be nice!

Daniel: I would be able to do that within the like, the first week if I get out this month. If I get out in December, then I would probably have to wait until January.

Lil Sippy: Instead of a normal idea, it would be pretty cool if you and Bob could do like, Driver’s Ed together and you know, we need Daniel Larson on the road, right? We don’t want you to-

Daniel: Uh- no, I know, like I *sighs*, that’s kind of off subject, but I mean, yeah, I need to get on the road, I need to get a driver’s license.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I mean, at this point, Bob is holding up my career, he’s holding up my life. I’m like a slave to him as of this point, I’m a slave to the flippin’ jail. I don’t fucking know, but it’s ridiculous. And I have like, literal- like, I have actual bruises and cuts all over me, like- like all over my arms, all over my face, all over my back from when I was homeless. And the nurse here-

Lil Sippy: And it’s Bob’s fault!

Daniel: Pretty much, because he could have more than… more than easily enough gotten me one month of the apartment.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: And for me sleeping on the streets, I have cuts and bruises all over my body that just won’t go away, and even the nurse here at the jail says that um, while I’m in custody, they can’t do anything.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: It’s something I have to wait until I get out, but they’re not healing. It’s some type of skin issue and they don’t know what it is.

Lil Sippy: It might be scabies, but who knows.

Daniel: No, ‘cause there’s something I guess, I’ve been tested for all sorts of stuff already, and they’re saying that there’s nothing. It’s literally just from me being homeless.

Lil Sippy: Wow. Um, so…

Daniel: Like, literal like, cuts all over me that just haven’t healed. I’m not getting enough water, I’m not getting enough food.

Lil Sippy: Have you or your lawyer done any more investigation into what you were talking about, where you think that Griffin was only in contact with you to um, basically try to you know, steal Grace from you?

Daniel: No, no, no. I have not heard anything from my public defender and I was supposed to meet with him yesterday, but I told uh, the unit case manager to go ahead and just cancel because I’m supposed to be getting out on the 25th, and he said, “OK, I’ll look it up too”, and he also looked it up and sure enough, he said “OK, well yeah, we’ll go ahead and cancel, because you’re getting out soon.

Lil Sippy: Who said you’re getting out on the 25th?

Daniel: The unit case manager.

[video cuts]

Lil Sippy: OK, yeah so if- I guess if the unit case manager is saying that, then they know something that I don’t, ‘cause I thought that uh, you were-

Daniel: They know something is not right, because I also- this is weird. So I’m supposed to get drug tested here at the jail a week before I get transferred, OK? They do that for everybody who’s being transferred. They drug test them, OK? The thing is they do a blood draw and they do a urine test. Both of those were already done back in July, like two weeks after I got- I went to court, and uh, did the psych eval here.

Lil Sippy: Hmmm.

Daniel: But like, the two weeks after I did it here, I was told I’m being transferred, um, the next week and I never got transferred. Nobody came to my cell, nobody got me, and then ever since then, even psychiatric last week on Thursday it was, I talked to psychiatric here at this jail, right? And psychiatric even told me, well I guess if your public defender won’t speak to you and you’re being told you’re getting out on the 25th, if you’re not transferred then and your case is gonna get dropped if you’re not transferred, then it sounds like your case is getting dropped, it doesn’t sound like you’re being transferred, because why would they drop the case if you’re being transferred? You can’t be held in custody. And psych told me that and I agree with them.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, so- it’s very confusing, very confusing, they’ll just-.

Daniel: It’s very very confusing, because if they drop the case if I’m not transferred, why don’t they just drop the case now? That’s a clear sign that I’m not being transferred according to psychiatric.

Lil Sippy: Huh.

Daniel: By me telling them that I’m gonna be transferred and me sitting here, they’re saying that is making me look crazy.

Lil Sippy: Wow. So I guess all we can do now is just wait until the 25th.

Daniel: So, I’m being- I’m caught up in this crazy situation where I think- I think the court system is trying to play me, I think is what’s going on.

Lil Sippy: You know, there was a conspiracy theory floating around on TikTok saying that they- that people are thinking the government framed you for making threats just so you couldn’t win the 2024 election.

Daniel: I don’t want to believe that, I don’t wanna say that’s what it is, but I also kinda think that too, because I’ve been thinking ever since before the election that like, as soon as the election’s over, I’m guaranteeing that they’re just gonna go, “OK, well this guy’s no longer a threat, this guy’s telling the truth, he’s getting out.” And, and…

Lil Sippy: Yeah, are you expecting a pardon from Trump, or do you think you’ll be out before Trump even takes office?

Daniel: Well, if the public defend- or if the prosecutor, right is saying January, I mean- it’s- no, if the prosecutor is saying December and Trump is not in office until January, like the end of January, I’m gonna be out before. That’s the way I’m looking at. I’m outsmarting the courts, and they’re just making me look like a flippin’ idiot and at this point…

Lil Sippy: You definitely are. I think it’s obvious that you’re smarter than the prosecutor, the judge, and everybody at this point. They’re the ones making a fool out of themselves.

Daniel: Right, and it’s just- it’s not OK. I’ve- the paperwork you sent me as well, right?

Lil Sippy: Yup.

Daniel: Uh, the suing paperwork-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: …already filled it out, I’ve added the United States government, so I went ahead and put down the United States so I can sue them. I could sue the criminal justice system, the feds, and I put down as well, uh, Bob. *Lil Sippy laughs* I haven’t sent it out yet, because I’m being told the 25th. But, if I’m not out by the 25th, because I’m not in communication with my public defender. He will not speak to me at all.

Lil Sippy: Oh my god..

Daniel: And that’s another thing, if he’s refusing to speak to me, psych is saying that that’s not normal.

Lil Sippy: It isn’t normal.

Daniel: The investigator with my case needs to talk to me. And all I’m doing right now is building a case against the criminal justice system and even psych knows it.

Lil Sippy: Do you think that- do you think that Bob, I’m sorry, do you think that your lawyer and his investigator might be you know, in conspiracy uh, in cahoots with Bob and Tina? And probably Griffin?

Daniel: Possibly. I also been thinking that since Bob went silent, he’s doing something behind my back, like getting the apartment or something and that’s- that to me seems like a sign I’m getting out very very soon.

Lil Sippy: Oh, so- so Bob will still um, get you housing when you get out?

Daniel: Uh, I never said that. I said that i’m thinking that because Bob’s going silent, he’s doing something, I don’t know what it is, but he might be getting me housing.

Lil Sippy: But wouldn’t it be a good thing for him to be getting you housing though? You’re t-

Daniel: It would be a good thing! I’m not sure why I’m not out now.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I believe I should be out today, but that’s besides the point. If they’re just gonna drop the case and they’re just talking their heads off, why don’t they drop the case now?

Lil Sippy: So, with- OK.

Daniel: But anyways, I gotta go, alright? The phone’s about to cut out.

Lil Sippy: Alright, talk soon.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Lil Sippy: Bye.

November 12

On November 12th, Clark called Daniel.[12] Daniel believes that he is being framed by Bob and the VanderWaals.

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[transcript starts after 5 minutes into the call]

Daniel: …on, because you said that Grace blocked you, right?

Clark: Yeah, as of right now, but I’m still trying to-

Daniel: How long- how long ago did she block you?

Clark: I mean, I don’t know if I’m blocked, more than not I just not get any answers. It’s been maybe like, two weeks probably? Since Bob hasn’t been answering, it’s been around the same time.

Daniel: So around the same time.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: Eh- are you still leaking the phone calls or did that stop? Because I know that the leaking of the phone calls was a big problem.

Clark: No, I- I have not, but I have- I did see the call that Nicholas put out the other day because you keep calling me Gri- like it’s Clark aka Griffin or Griffin aka Clark, I hear.

Daniel: Well, yeah, but your name is Griffin, yeah.

Clark: Yeah, I know.

Daniel: It’s because- it’s because when, looking at it from a legal perspective, right? They need to know, if you know what I mean, so they don’t call me crazy.

Clark: Yeah, oh yeah, no, I agree.

Daniel: I- I feel like I’m being, I’m feeling like this entire situation, the reason why I made the threats, I felt- I feel like Bob was, on purpose, in conversation with the VanderWaals. I believe he’s lied to me. I believe he’s in contact at this point all along, right? And he lied to me saying he wasn’t, and I believe that he pretty much chose as well as the VanderWaals to keep me homeless until I said something, which was the threats, right? And so I would get arrested by the feds. You see what I mean?

Clark: Yeah, I don’t get why he would do that, though.

Daniel: So the courts could get me housing because the VanderWaals do not have charges against me for the threats I made, and we already know that Tina promised me that she would help.

Clark: Ohh OK. That is true, and MacDougall promised, I guess, you things- .

Daniel: Well, MacDougall promised but he was trying to falsely incriminate me. He was calling me a pedo and all this crazy stuff without even the proof, and I- I don’t know if… there is a conversation I guess in my legal discovery where I did say that I was (talking) to somebody claiming to be Tina, but I don’t think it was really Tina and at that point of the day, I didn’t eat in like, a week.

Clark: Yeah, yeah, no.

Daniel: So, I like, literally was not even thinking straight. I just read the message and I just responded like immediately, I was in the car with Bob that day.

Clark: Yeah, no, that- that’s-

[video cuts]

Daniel: I also told, on the phone call to Nicholas that I was going to sue Bob, which probably if he got word of that, it probably pissed him off. But-

Clark: Yeah, that- that’s what the title of the v- I think, of Nicholas’ video is, that you wanna sue Bob.

Daniel: Yeah, the thing is I’m not going to do that when I get out. I mean, uh, if I don’t get out.

Clark: Yeah, yeah.

Daniel: If I get out, then I’m not going to sue. If I go ‘cause I’m transferred and I’m if not out by December, then I will sue because I feel like there’s a bunch of illegal activity. And I’m in the monkey in the middle, so.

Clark: In- yeah, and it’s- there’s someone also, there’s a Roblox game that’s like about you right now that has like thousands of players on it, and they’re raising money on there and they’re selling like shirts and stuff, but I’m pretty sure they’re just taking the money for themselves.

Daniel: Yeah, and NIcholas told that was you, but if you are in contact or were in contact with the VanderWaals which we already know, they said, it’s clear that it’s not you. (unintelligible) like Bob or you know, it’s just like a planned thing to raise money, and this entire thing was, you know, publicity scene for me.

Clark: No, it’s not me. No, no, I’m in-

Daniel: But the thing is, I don’t know. I’m just the monkey in the middle, like I said and I’m pretty much framed in all this. It’s ridiculous.

Clark: It is a whole situation, so for now I guess, we just have to keep waiting and hopefully, for now I would say, just stop talking about Bob so that maybe he’ll call you again, you know? So you can get money again.

Daniel: I hope, I mean, today’s the last day I can get money for commissary. I mean, they keep pushing it out, so I’m fine right now, but today I think is the last day. So he really needs to get a hold of me today, because I’m trying to get new clothing in commissary. I have- I don’t have to put up with all the jail stuff. I can just, you know, get new clothing and be done. I get out, and then I have clothing.

Clark: Yeah, and get your- and have your tablet.

Daniel: Yeah, I gotta go, alright?

Clark: OK.

Daniel: If you- keep trying to get a hold of Grace, and like, literally, try- just try to tell Tina like, I’m sorry and I really need to talk to her to apologize and really try to talk to her.

Clark: OK. OK.

Daniel: If that’s even possible. If she says no, just ask her like, the reason and just get back to me so I know. (unintelligible) telling me.

Clark: OK, I’ll try. Yeah, stay positive for now, you got it.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Clark: *weird noise*

November 15

On November 15th, Lil Sippy called Daniel on his birthday.[13] Daniel is clearly frustrated about spending his 26th birthday in jail, suspects that he is being profited from his name, believing Clark is responsible for it.

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[transcript starts 1 minute into the call]

Daniel: They’re concerned now because of what has happened. They’re concerned about complications, legal complications.

Lil Sippy: I’m pretty sure I told you what was going on with your case though, didn’t I?

Daniel: Legal complications after the fact, like if I got arrested, I mean, if I got released, right, what would happen after. Like, how it would affect Grace.

Lil Sippy: Oh, ok. So you said Gr-

Daniel: Which is kind of fucked up if they know for a fact they’d been involved.

Lil Sippy: So you said Griffin is in contact with Grace’s PR manager?

Daniel: Yes, and he’s been in contact with them way since I- before I even got arrested. I used to be in contact with them, but I was told they were impersonators, but now I’ve confirmed that they’re not.

Lil Sippy: Wow. So- so if you’ve been- OK. So if you’ve been in contact with Griffin, then you know the news with your family, right?

Daniel: I know the news with my mother, yes.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: I don’t know anything about Bob, I don’t know if something has happened to him or what, but he’s to a point to where, like I said, he’s not getting back to me, it’s been two weeks. I’ve missed now, three commissaries, and um, yesterday my, uh, $200 tablet that I can only get one a year, and it’s the only thing I have that keeps, you know, me busy in my cell just broke, so I’m like, completely fucked. Um…

Lil Sippy: Is that the tablet you used to send the CorrLinks message?

Daniel: Um, no, but it is- it’s where I can rent movies for my cell, it’s like literally where most of the action in- well 99.9% of the action inside the jail is through. So without that, I’m kind of fucked up but that’s my point

Lil Sippy: OK, well I know you need money on your books, um, I had an idea. I don’t know if you’re open to it, but we- I was thinking I could help you sell autographs and then we could but the money on your books like that. That’s the only reason- that’s only thing I can think of to help you, uh, get money.

Daniel: We can see, that is a good idea. I thought about doing it inside the jail too. Just going up to other inmates and trying to sell autographs, but…

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: …thing is, it’s hard to do. Um…

Lil Sippy: Well, it might be hard to do in the jail if they’re not fans, but you got other fans outside. Yeah

Daniel: Right, and it’s gonna be- it’s, there’s a whole trust thing involved too because people in the past, we kind of already know that, I’m not sure-

[video cuts]

Lil Sippy: …he’s doing all this, selling and stuff.

Daniel: Well, Griffin’s the one doing it, that means the VanderWaals are doing it too.

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.

Daniel: But- and I also can’t get a hold of Griffin today. Whenever Bob doesn’t answer, Griffin starts acting all weird, so I believe Griffin is working with Bob too.

Lil Sippy: So- and they’re both profiting off your name?

Daniel: I think everybody is. I think Tina, Grace, I don’t know what’s the entire motive of it, but I’m sitting in here, they’re not getting me out and in the meantime, they’re just doing whatever they want. It’s ridiculous, but I did talk to Griffin, like I said, yesterday and he said that he wants to try to move forward with me and Grace. No matter what Tina says, but…

Lil Sippy: Weren’t you saying that Griffin was trying to just get in contact with you just to steal Grace from you though?

Daniel: I cannot confirm that. I cannot confirm it at all.

Lil Sippy: But you had your suspicions.


Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: So, I can’t confirm any of that, so I don’t know. People are saying that, like other people are coming up to me and you know, saying that, but the thing is I can’t confirm anything. I don’t have any proof.

Lil Sippy: OK, but y-

Daniel: Like, I’m sitting in jail with all the people saying things, I have no proof to prove otherwise other than the phone numbers and stuff that I’ve gotten. Addresses and the conversations. That’s all I have. I don’t have proof of anybody profiting or even if that is, I know it’s real, I don’t know if they’re actually selling it.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: You see what I mean? I don’t know if what they’re saying is lies or if it’s 100% true, Griffin told me yesterday that my mother might have passed away on Halloween, but Bob’s not getting back to me.

Lil Sippy: No, she-

Daniel: So now I’m to a point- I don’t know if Griffin is lying, and it’s really Bob passed away or what? Like, I’m to a point I just don’t believe anything. The only thing I believe is the numbers with Grace and the fact that Griffin is in contact with the PR. That’s all I can trust right now.

Lil Sippy: Why do you- how- why do you believe that Griffin’s in contact with Grace’s PR though?

Daniel: Because I used to be in contact with Grace’s PR along with Griffin.

Lil Sippy; OK. Well…

Daniel: And Griffin told me to actually, before I got arrested, he told me to just hop on a plane, violate probation along with Grace and just go to their house in South Carolina, and I said I’m not gonna do that. But the thing is, they wanted me to violate probation to go on tour with Grace, and Grace has been saying that for years. So the fact that she’s been saying to go ahead and violate probation and all that, Grace is really the one that I believe at this point, especially since all of my addresses and all of the stuff that I’ve been getting all the information. Griffin, I’m not sure if you knew this, but Griffin also admitted on the phone that um, Tina right? He admitted that Tina promised to help me out and I would never get arrested again. He admitted that.

Lil Sippy: Oh, yeah.

Daniel: And here I am in jail, so they’re clearly lying up a storm, and I’m the monkey in the middle. So I don’t know what’s going on, I still haven’t figured out my Colorado state ID that got stolen, because the guy who stole it looked like Jacob Sartorius, the Disney Channel star. Like no joke, he looked 100% like him and Griffin also looks 100% like him.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I don't know. It’s just- one thing…

Daniel: It’s weird as hell.

Lil Sippy: One thing that I thought was really weird about Griffin when I took a step back and started to think about it was when Griffin told you that the feds showed up at my house, I never told anyone, not on the internet, not anybody.

Daniel: Which means he’s the one that did it, and then not only that, not only that, he’s the one who did that in my opinion, but then he told me that the feds showed up at his house.

Lil Sippy: Or he’s a fed. He- I thought the feds showed up at his work is what I heard, but I don’t know.

Daniel: I don’t know, but he said people have- the feds have definitely shown up along with the Secret Service.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, that’s crazy, um..

Daniel: And Grace also told me way back in like, January that the feds also showed up at her house and her work.

Lil Sippy: Have you- you still haven’t talked to her since you’ve been in jail?

Daniel: I haven’t talked to her since I’ve been in jail, last I heard was Grace didn’t like Jacob Sartorius, they had some type of internet beef or something, industry beef where they just hated each other, but then the week before I got arrested, she’s like, oh, oh I love Jacob now. Now I don’t know who I’m gonna date.

Lil Sippy: So you think that uh, Griffin might be Jacob Sartorius undercover or in disguise?

Daniel: Possibly, that’s what I believe and I’ve been trying to expose him for years because Grace made it clear that she wants to be with me. Even in my legal discovery I have pictures of Grace, um, that she sent me where it’s kind of weird, but she spelled my name on the paper on top of the picture like Photoshop, but she put my name in all capitals, DANIEL LARSON.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, wow, OK.

Daniel: And she- which means, right, from a legal perspective, that can stand in court.

Lil Sippy: OK, so were you close with your mom though?

Daniel: I used to be and not anymore because I’ve been in and out of jail.

Lil Sippy: OK, yes-

Daniel: For crimes I’ve never actually fully committed but it’s ridiculous.

Lil Sippy: Crimes that apparently the government framed you for to stop you from winning the election is what I heard, but, um…

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: I- I don’t know. The thing is I can’t even run for president, and you know that. I can’t run for president until 2036. So even if that’s their only cause right now is “oh, let’s put him in jail so he can’t vote”, maybe I don’t fucking know but I can see that ‘cause I- I already made it clear in 2022 that I was a Trump supporter.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. I don’t know- OK, yeah I don’t know, I just- I don’t know if that’s true or not. I’m just saying what, the- conspiracy theories are.

Daniel: I don’t know if it’s true either. But yeah, no I- I, there’s conspiracy I know.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, so then I’m just telling you what the conspiracy theories are. Um…

Daniel: But anyways, Griffin told me that he wants to try to get me out of jail by Christmas. I told him if I can get Grace to agree to the relationship and get me out by the 25th like he previously said, that would be best, because he keeps flip-flopping everything but…

Lil Sippy: Well, I- I don’t think Griffin has any control over when you get out.

Daniel: I don’t think he does either, and I think the people that does is if Grace comes forward and says, yeah we’ve been behind everything this entire family. Bob has been behind everything, Grace has been behind everything, I have, Tina has, the label has. The only way that’s gonna clear up is if everybody just comes forward and admits it, they won’t be able to do anything because everybody’s behind it.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, Grace and Tina have a lot of power huh? Yeah.

Daniel: Right. If one person comes forward and says it, they’re just gonna arrest that person for like, conspiracy or something, right? But if everybody comes forward at this point and just admits it and says, “Look, we’ve been in contact with everybody and this is what’s going on”, then the odds of them dropping the case are almost 100%. I don’t know why at this point why my lawyer hasn’t said, “well, Daniel was being coerced by the feds into being homeless, into making the threats, and due to his mental illness…”

Lil Sippy: Yeah. So is there anything you need- is there anything you need me to do to try to get that process speeded up or?

Daniel: I don’t know, because I looked online and it should only be 30 days. It should be- it should not be four months, it should be 30 days of outpatient counseling for coercion. It doesn’t mean I’m gonna be transferred to the psychiatric place. That’s another crazy thing I found out as well. The competency evaluation has nothing to do with mental health. The judge ordered a mental health evaluation, not a competency evaluation. And I told my lawyer that, and he got pissed

Lil Sippy: OK, well just let- I thought you said that Grace ordered it, not the judge.

Daniel: Well, Grace ordered it, told the prosecutor and then the judge put it on paper to make it final. He’s the one who officially ordered it

Lil Sippy: OK. Hey, isn’t today your birthday?

Daniel: Today is my birthday, yeah, and I was told by Grace back in January I would be living with her, so I’m pissed but that’s besides the point.

Lil Sippy: Well, happy birthday. I sent you a card, I don’t know if you got it, but yet, but i sent a card.

Daniel: I haven’t gotten it yet, but everything is just a big fat lie at this point. I don’t fucking know, I’m just- I’m sitting in jail on my fucking birthday. This is now the 15th birthday I’ve spent behind bars. I’m just to a point I’m pissed off, so.

Lil Sippy: Are you still getting out, like you said, on the 25th or…

Daniel: I don’t know. I don’t know. Last I heard here at the jail, it still says I’m in a holdover status.

Lil Sippy: OK, and what- * mutes the mic, sneezes, unmutes *

Daniel: Meaning that the holdover doesn’t mean I’m being transferred, the holdover is we’re waiting until somebody comes forward and says something, which is bullshit but that’s besides the point. Anyways, I have to go, OK? Alright, the phone’s about to cut out

Lil Sippy: Alright, uh are you gonna call early in the morning like this now?

Daniel: Um, until tomorrow and then it switches back till the afternoon.

Lil Sippy: OK, alright, talk soon. Bye.

Daniel :Alright, bye.

November 16

On November 16, 2024, Daniel called Clark. During the phone call, Daniel gets into an argument with a fellow inmate. [14]

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[5 minutes into the call]

Clark: I agree.

Daniel: You see what I mean?

Clark: So, wait did you get a hold of Bob?

Daniel: Bob has not gotten back to me yet at all.

Clark: Did he not- I mean for your birthday yesterday, did he put any money on your uh, books?

Daniel: Absolutely not. My birthday yesterday was destroyed.

Clark: Geez, that’s sad.

Daniel: 100% destroyed, and- and I’m being told now, um, that I’m gonna most likely like, this is gonna be my third Christmas in a row being destroyed.

Clark: Yeah, I mean, shoot I remember la- yeah you were- last Christmas you were, was a terrible time too.

Daniel: I- I- Bob told me that he wanted to go out to dinner with me and then, out of the blue something happened, he… Grace was wanting to go do something and uh, Grace wouldn’t get back to me, it was a real mess. I don’t know what was going on there, but..

Clark: Oh, and I remember Thanksgiving when you, uh, called the welfare check on Bob and..

Daniel: Oh, no, that was Christmas.

Clark: Oh, yeah, oh yeah.

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: The welfare check on Bob at Christmas, apparent- so this is another thing. Bob is still angry at me for the, my public defender showing up at his house. He says my fucking public defenders, is what he called them. My fucking public defenders, my fucking people showing up at his house. That’s what he said.

Clark: Yeah, that is weird. Why are they showing up at his-

Daniel: Why, why is he going off at my public defenders for- just because the fact that they, I told my public defenders that like, um, Bob couldn’t, um, he couldn’t verify anybody.

[video cuts]

Clark: And I also don’t understand, like I get Nicholas’ position, but I don’t know, like he’s been in prison and stuff before, apparently he had like, packages from Russia at his house, I don’t- I have no idea.

Daniel: I don’t know anything, it’s weird. I just haven’t heard that information, but I’ve heard some sketchy things about him.

Clark: Yeah, yeah.

Daniel: He sent me pictures of him, and he’s pretty high in the pictures, I’m- I don’t know what…

Clark: Yeah, he’s got like, two face tattoos on him.

Daniel: Yeah, I- you know, if he gets high, that’s on him. Like I said, I’m just super super concerned right now about trying to get this relationship with Grace moving forward because I feel like I’m just being a cat and mouse situation where I’m just sitting here, the monkey in the middle, Daniel in the lions’ den situation.

[video cuts]

Clark: Yeah, that could be true.

Daniel: Uh, I did threaten, uh, Columbia Records, so maybe there’s an issue with that?

Clark: Oh yeah, that could be a problem.

Daniel: I’m trying to drop an album in January-February, but I’m behind schedule on that. I’ve told both public defenders I’m behind schedule for the album this year, so I’m already fighting for two albums next year. I’ve already started that. Um, it sounds like the relationship with Grace is real. *to other inmate * Um, I’m busy right now. *to Clark * Um, but yeah I- * talking to other inmate * What? I can’t, I can’t allow that.

Other Inmate: Fucking hang up the phone.

Daniel: Uh, I’m not, I’m not- I’m not gonna fight with you. I’m not-

Other Inmate: *unintelligible *

Daniel: Yeah.

Other Inmate: And you’re on the fucking phone

Daniel: I AM on the fucking phone and you- you want- do you want me to fight you? Because like, literally I’m not gonna have this game. I’m on the phone with somebody.

Other Inmate: You’re a joke.

Daniel: I’m on the phone with somebody! Relax! You’re a fucking joke! You’re trelve (twelve) years old for getting upset at me for being on the fucking phone! What the hell! *chuckles , back to Clark * Sorry.

Clark: Jeez! That was scary.

Daniel: I know, like what the fuck? So yeah, no, ‘cause everybody at the jail is like, also getting upset because I was supposed to be released like you said.

Clark: Yeah, yeah.

Daniel: Right? And everybody at the jail is getting pissed off for me, like, not, they don’t think I’m telling the truth and it’s starting to really affect the people at the jail getting angry at me, calling me a liar.

Clark: Yeah, no that-

Daniel: So yeah, like, it’s actually going to get bad here soon. I’ve been in four fights with CO’s, but…

Clark: Geez, wait, was that a CO or another inmate?

Daniel: Yeah, um, that’s another inmate but I’m just saying, CO- it’s to a point CO’s are threatening me over Grace too, but anyways I gotta go, they’re putting us on lockdown early because of what just happened, I think.

Clark: OK, OK.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Clark: Alright, bye.

November 19 (1)

Daniel called Lil Sippy and explained his situation and his tensions with Clark.[15]

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Lil Sippy: Oh, ok cool.

Daniel: I got it like- got it like, early early last week.

Lil Sippy: Alright, nice!

Daniel: But yeah, but anyways um, yeah. I would like the book that is the $16-ish dollar one. The first one.

Lil Sippy: OK, cool.

Daniel: Um, I don’t know if it- is it the lyric book or the full songbook?

Lil Sippy: I think it’s a book on how to play the song on piano, and- well, I think one of them’s piano and the other is *burp * ukulele.

Daniel: OK, then yeah. Um, I want the one that’s the ukulele.

Lil Sippy: OK, cool. Hopefully they still have that in stock. Um…

Daniel: *chuckles * I’m so sorry. I- so, you know what I mean. Bob, well not Bob, but Griffin and you are targeting each other, *laughs *and you know what I mean by that, right? You’re- he’s saying bad things about you, you’re saying bad things about him, and I’m to a point where it’s like, I really don’t know which- what is which, so I’ve decided I’m just gonna kind of leave that alone and kind of just leave it.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I just- I’m just trying to do what’s in your best interest and help you out. I do have some news about Grace though. She was spotted in uh, Florida with a- uh, have you heard of the uh, dubstep artist, uh, Ava Braun? She’s from Berlin, Germany.

Daniel: Um, the dubstep artist, uh, who? Ava…

Lil Sippy: Ava Braun.

Daniel: Ava bronze, she was spotted with in Florida?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, and Ava Braun was wearing a “Free Daniel Larson” shirt.

Daniel: And, and… OK, and so Ava bronze, right, was wearing a “Free Daniel Larson” shirt and it’s posted.

Lil Sippy: And she- yeah, and she was hanging out with Grace VanderWaal. They were both at the beach together, I think it was yesterday or the day before in TMZ.

Daniel: And they were at the beach and they were hanging- OK, my lawyer, my f-, excuse my language, but my fucking public defender, *laughs * I hate to cuss him out, but he is not talking to me about what’s going on with my mother after I’ve repeatedly asked him like, what’s going on? Nobody other than you has talked to me about what’s going on with my mother.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, it was weird, I was trying to find, ‘cause people were saying “oh, she’s”

Daniel: It’s- yeah, well Donna, first of all, is my mother’s sister. She always talked about her. So I’m like, you know that Donna-

Lil Sippy: You know Donna?

Daniel: I know her, yeah.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I know her personally, I’ve met her in person. It was like, over 5-10 years ago before I- before my grandmother passed in uh, 2018, 2019, somewhere in there. But um, I uh- I just haven’t even heard from my mother since, really. And Bob was stopping me from talking to him- talking to my mother, so that is another problem.

Lil Sippy: That’s weird.

Daniel: Um, I’ve asked Bob for her numerous of times, he’s refused and I said, “do you know what’s going on with my mother?” and he’s like, “no” and he said that somebody keeps reaching out to him claiming to be mother, this was in 2023 and he told me that he was- he is refusing to talk to her because he can’t confirm if it’s her or not.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, it’s just weird to me that the only evidence of her being dead is the Facebook posts. There’s no obituaries, you know, normally when someone dies…

Daniel: And… there’s no way- right. It would be like, updated somewhere so I wonder if like- she just disappeared or what? Like it’s creepy.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. Do you s-

Daniel: Nobody knows what has happened to her, and not only that, um, so Griffin yesterday, right, told me that he was in Florida as well, but no joke. He told me he was in Florida as well. So, if Grace was spotted in Florida as well, that makes sense. That is-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Lil Sippy: Do you still think that he is Jacob Sartorius or that he is trying to steal Grace from you?

Daniel: Possibly I- I’m to a point, well another is Griffin did tell me that I could believe he’s against me, it doesn’t bother him.

Lil Sippy: Well, he might be.

Daniel: Like, I’ve called him out numerous of times, he said that like, he says I can believe what I believe, and yeah I hate to say it, but I believe he is still not telling the full truth, he’s either Jakob VanderWaal, Grace’s brother, or he is um, Jacob Sartorius because that would only make sense, and I do believe that yes, there’s evidence that Grace might be coming to see me very soon about the relationship and stuff. Griffin, last I talked to him, he was saying that he wants me out by the 25th of this month. Well, um, I don’t know if that’s going to happen or what, so my anxiety is going skyrocketing through the roof because of it.

Lil Sippy: And you haven’t been- you’ve been trying to call your lawyer and he isn’t answering at all?

Daniel: And I’ve tr- well I’m being told by the jail I can’t. They’re refusing to even contact him for a actual meeting for a sit-down meeting or anything, they're just straight-up refusing to even talk to him to even schedule it.

Lil Sippy: Well, I think you should probably- it’s probably about time to sue the jail if they’re denying you access to your lawyer.

Daniel: Right, and I agree. And I have the suing paperwork, um, I just don’t- I don’t know how to fill it out because I’m not a lawyer. That’s the only problem.

Lil Sippy: You don’t think somebody else on the pod might know how and could help you fill it out?

Daniel: Possibly. I would have to go around and ask, and I don’t know if anybody would know how to. Um, but yeah I did actually get two stamps, so I could mail it out anytime starting today. I could mail out the paper. Um, also, um, I- so I got my minutes for the phone renewal today, so I can call whenever we need.

Lil Sippy: Good.

Daniel: Um, if there’s an emergency or whatever, I have phone access. Um, the, I guess- so the last thing I’ve talked to Griffin, right, the very last thing I said to him was, so we know I’m innocent, we know because the VanderWaals are witnesses, everything. I asked him if he knew if Grace is even working on getting the apartment in Colorado. He told me that Tina is kind of being a problem right now, the courts are not cooperating with the VanderWaals, and there’s- Tina’s concerned about legal obligations moving forward. Well, and then-

Lil Sippy: From… from…

Daniel: Hold on, one second. Then Griffin said as well in that same phone call that he wants to try to get me out by the 25th. I’m to a point to where all I know is that on the 25th, something could happen. I don't know what it is, um it’s weird. But I believe something is gonna happen around the 25th.

Lil Sippy: Well, from what I heard, Grace wants you out but Tina and the court system are not cooperating with her.

Daniel: Well, it’s- that’s probably because Tina is not cooperating.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: Um, that’s probably the issue is if Tina would just come forward at this point and agree like, we made a mistake, you know this guy was homeless and he was being told lies, you know? Then I’m pretty sure the courts are gonna be a lot more lenient.

Lil Sippy: I don’t- it’s-

Daniel: Um, I just don’t know the full truth-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: I don’t know the truth, and I’m surprised, like Grace isn’t just… you know, trying to get a hold of me at this point. If she’s wearing “Free Daniel Larson” shirts and everybody is in contact with her wearing those and all this crazy stuff going on, I don’t know why she just doesn’t, you know, she’s not a minor so she can be her own legal guardian, she should be. She should just 100% be herself and just call me or try to get a hold of me. I don’t know, but it’s weird and it- things are not looking good. It looks like I’m expected to be transferred sometime in December to Springfield if I don’t hear back from Tina, and it’s not looking good right now.

Lil Sippy: Well, the 25th is less than a week away, and then we’ll see if Griffin is lying to you or not when the 25th comes around, but I’m sure the VanderWaals have a lot to do with your case, but I think the government is, well if you take a step back and look at it, you were doing so good, you were about to sign a several million dollar record deal, people were saying you should run for president when you’re old enough, you were so successful and then I think the government just said, this guy is too successful, we need to, you know, cut him down enough. Yeah

Daniel: No, I agree. I agree, I think I was becoming way too successful too fast and just like, Trump, pretty much where they just are like, nope, we don’t want this guy, he’s gaining too much power too quickly, and the government just tries to screw things up and that’s exactly what happened. There’s nothing on my end that says that I should still be in custody, and even my legal paperwork in my legal discovery, it says, um, the legal presumption of the- on my indictment, it says the legal presumption of detention is NOT, and NOT is highlighted, NOT applicable to this defendant, meaning I should have never, and they still went ahead and held me.

Lil Sippy: But they still… yeah. You should at least get a bond so we could bond you out, but they won’t even give you bond!

Daniel: I don’t think they’re gonna do a bond, and if they do a bond, I’m pretty sure they’re gonna try to take all of my record label money and keep me homeless.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. I don’t know. It’s a big- it’s very confusing. I think the main thing we should focus on right now is the relationship with Grace and making sure that nobody messes up your relationship with Grace.

Daniel: That’s what needs to happen, yeah. Another thing is Griffin keeps saying that he’s gonna come visit me and that Grace is coming too.

Lil Sippy: I know, he lives in St. Louis, so that’s pretty far.

Daniel: Yeah, well St. Louis is the same state of Missouri which is scary too, because he’s like, “I’m gonna come visit you when you’re in Springfield”, and I’ve been told by several people that not to trust him, including Bob. But the thing is, if he’s in contact with Tina, you see what mean? And he’s trying to help out, or helping out with whatever. I don’t wanna lose that contact because he’s helping. I’m in a rock and a hard place.

Lil Sippy: Definitely. I think- uh, I don’t know. Are you gonna allow him to visit you in Springfield, he might have something up his sleeve.

Daniel: I- to be honest, I don’t trust him. I don’t trust him with that. I trust Grace, and I trust, um, I trust Bob and maybe Tina.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, tell them to have Grace visit you.

Daniel: But I’m to a point I’m losing trust in just, the entire legal system at this point on top of some family.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I would just tell Griffin, have Grace visit you alone instead of him and Grace, just send Grace.

Daniel: Yeah, but anyways I gotta- I gotta go, OK? The phone’s about to cut out, I’m gonna try to get a hold of him next and see what’s going on, OK?

Lil Sippy: OK, give me- keep me updated. Have a good night.

Daniel: Alright. Alright, bye.

Lil Sippy: Bye.


November 19 (2)

Later that day, Daniel called Clark. The call was divided into three parts.[16]

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Daniel: Hello?

Clark: Hi Daniel!

Daniel: Hey, we have a serious problem.

Clark: Shoot!

Daniel: Um, I just had a legal call for the first time since October, early October, OK? And my public defender has told me to cut permanent ties with Bob, my- not an impersonator, the real Bob, told me to cut ties with, um, Nicholas, he told me that he confirmed the Interscope Records being confirmed because it’s the- uh, it’s the Janick at interscope.com, so he confirmed that being real, but he confirmed or, he told me that, um, my legal discovery that he sent me, everything in the legal discovery is fake, is what he told me. Not real information, and he told me as well that, uh, Grace doesn’t want me, she doesn’t like me, she hates me, and everything is a scam.

Clark: Yeah, I mean, we thought that could be the thing with Grace, I mean.

Daniel: I, it’s scary at hell. Like I do not know what’s going on, and, um, I guess… for my public defender to cut ties with Bob because he’s trolling as well is just crazy, and also my public defender told me that he did not know at all about my mother passing away, and I told him, “well, I guess I’m gonna sit here and suffer, because you’re doing nothing for me, and if you want me to become incompetent, I will become incompetent” is what I told him.

Clark: Jeez!

Daniel: Because I told him, I have not been transferred yet, and it sounds like you guys are trying to frame me to where I become incompetent, so I will be more than happy to do that.

Clark: What did he say about that?

Daniel: And- he told me, another thing is he told me that if I’m not out by the end of December, he’s gonna drop the case in January. I told him I do not care about the dropping the case in January, the case needs to be dropped now, and right when I said that, the phone call hung up.

Clark: But that- jeez!

Daniel: So I don’t know if he hung up on me, or what happened. But, it’s bad. It’s really bad, like it’s a point I think he’s affecting my mental health on purpose just to piss me off, and that is not good. I- I probably shouldn’t even talk to him if he’s gonna piss me off the way that he’s doing, and especially since he’s telling me that the legal discovery that has the conversations of Grace in the flippin’ legal discover that he sent me, is now she’s denying is just fucking ridiculous.

Clark: Yeah, that makes no sense. Why would he even send it in the first place?

Daniel: Right, and then I told him as well that I- cause this is crazy. You told me you were in Florida, and on top of that, I got a um, picture sent of I guess, yesterday or something, OK? And it was Grace and another singer, Ava something, Ava I forgot the last name, but they’re wearing “Free Daniel Larson” shirts.

Clark: Weird.

Daniel: And they’re in Florida, which is exactly where you said you were going.

Clark: How do you know they’re in Florida on the picture?

Daniel: They’re on the beach, they’re on the beach. I don’t know if they’re in Florida or not, but they’re somewhere on a beach.

Clark: That- she’s probably in California I would assume, it’s more..

Daniel: She’s either in California or South Carolina.

Clark: True. Myrtle Beach.

Daniel: Myrtle Beach, or something. But to go along with that, I *sighs * I don’t know what’s going on. I don’t wanna cut ties with you and I don’t wanna cut ties with Nicholas right now, because you guys-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Clark: * coughs*

Daniel: You guys have so much information, you see what I mean?

Clark: Exactly.

Daniel: From before I got arrested, and you even confirmed that at one point, you know that the relationship with Grace was real. That is important. My lawyer is telling me that I’m crazy and that I should be in Springfield.

Clark: That- I mean, I don’t understand that, because I should he was saying that she was, she knew who you were so I guess she knows who you are, but she doesn’t want..

Daniel: She knows who I am and is wearing “Free Daniel Larson” shirts or something, and I guess is somehow selling merch, which maybe is the merch that you’re sending or putting out, right? Because you said you were going to at some point, you never got to the point of me getting money yet, because we were still working on it.

Clark: Yeah, but I never ended up doing it. Yeah, I never- I haven’t even received any money ‘cause I, I think Flexburger is receiving that, I don’t know how, but…

Daniel: Right, but you also told me that you had, you were in contact at one point with Flexburger, but he’s stopping talking to you or something, or something is happening there.

Clark: I thought I was… yeah, it’s a whole- it was back in the beginning, but I don’t- I haven’t seen anybody selling anything with your merch on it since last year.

Daniel: Weird, OK. Wow, OK. Yeah, because I’m clearly being targeted.

[Part 2]

Daniel: So, two more things.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: Nicholas, Nicholas showed me, I guess over the phone, a video recording. It’s a recording of, I guess an AI version of you, somebody is trying to do AI of a conversation with you and Tina where Tina says that, or Tina says or something like, if I would cut ties with you, and I guess uh, Nicholas at this point, I would already be out.

Clark: That’s AI- Yeah he’s a liar.

Daniel: But the thing is, it to me sounded like it was AI.

Clark: Also, at the same time, why would that even make sense in the court of law right now? Like that, Nicholas is obviously obsessed with me. He was sending- he sent stuff to my house. He sent me note carts with your face on it saying that, stuff like titled to my parents, and he tries to call me every day. Yeah, he’s a weirdo.

Daniel: Oh, wow. OK. He- yeah, no, that is, that’s weird. Um, ‘cause I was thinking about cutting ties with him, but I- it’s weird right now, so I’m just kind of going by based off what’s going on.

Clark: Yeah, I’d be very careful. Yeah, I’d be careful, very careful.

Daniel: OK. I see: It doesn’t look like I’m getting out according to my lawyer. It looks like he’s just- I shouldn’t even talk to him. I should not talk to him. He’s just going against everything. When was the last time you talked with uh, the PR manager?

Clark: Uh, like, two or three days ago, and the last I heard was that- since then it’s been pretty much radio silent. I agree

Daniel: OK. Put me at the flippin’ halfway house! Put me somewhere where I’m just waiting on pretrial, that’s their own fault! Haha!

Clark: I agree, I agree!

Daniel: Like, if they’re concerned about me getting out and getting housing or something, then there’s options that the court has! Figure it out! Jeez! Like, *sighs *

Clark: That’s their way, a lot of time’s being wasted.

Daniel: Yeah, no that is ridiculous, that’s crazy! And if the VanderWaals never even filed- *gets cut off *

[call suddenly terminates]

Daniel: Right. I- I think that, ‘cause I’ve learned a ton of communication skills since I’ve been here in custody that I didn’t know prior to my arrest. So, I’m to a point to where now I’m learning all these communication skills, right? But I can’t use them, that’s a problem.

Clark: That’s true. I mean, that you probably learned, ‘cause people have been trying to mess with you or fight you and stuff like that.

Daniel: Right, now I’m learning that people are trying to mess with me and fight me and now I’m just pissed off at everything, and I’m now waiting on proof and I have proof that Grace is involved, I have proof that she’s not pressing the charges, which confirms the relationship. I have multiple proof that she has been posting online, there’s proof in her songs about, um, where she even admits talking in an accent. I mean, at this point, I’m just to a- I’m to a point I’m just like, everything is just conspiracy and I’m being thrown around, you know what I mean? And I’m going off, like I said, I’m going- since I’ve been arrested, I’m going off of the information that I have proof of. That is proof. That’s evidence.

[video cuts]

Daniel: (tran)sferred sometime in December, and that even though he said I wasn’t going to a prison, it’s not his choice anymore.

Clark: Weird, so he’s like done trying to fight, I guess? I don’t…

Daniel: I- I don’t know, but he said that everything he told me is no longer applicable because the prosecutor went ahead and decided that they were going to try to send me to prison, which is the Springfield. And I guess as well, he’s trying to target Tina and you and Nicholas, saying that because there’s been one issue, they- it’s automatic that nothing is gonna work out. But there’s no proof of that because he says I have to be deemed competent before they can go ahead and just, you know, explain. So I guess he went ahead and sent me my legal discovery even though I was incompetent, which goes against what he was saying to begin with.

Clark: Weird, yeah.

Daniel: Yeah, it’s very weird. So, I’m sitting here calling out my lawyer today for all the mistakes that he’s done, and just going like, “the guy is messing with my mental health, I think that is clear.” I think he’s trying to make me incompetent, and I realized that. I think things were going great and things were on the move, because Nicholas told me as well that Grace was posting online or something, and it’s- she’s giving hints that she’s going to be coming to Colorado soon, and possibly to come see me.

Clark: Yeah, I don’t know about- uh, I mean, as far as I know Grace, re- as what your lawyer said is Grace wanted no part, but we don’t know that. We don’t know that.

Daniel: We don’t know, because when you talked to- when you talked to their- her PR manager, her PR manager said that we’re basically waiting on Tina. That’s what she- that’s what the PR manager said.

Clark: Yeah, so I guess we’ll see, I don’t know. I would for now just keep focusing on trying to get out, because they might be mad about that you bringing up Grace, that might be a reason they’re deeming you incompetent, right?

Daniel: *sighs * Well, I don’t care. You know, if I’m in the relationship with Grace, and if, you know, Grace and I were going to, uh, look at housing and stuff, houses and all sorts of stuff, trying to get things squared away, and the feds intervened, and then told me that everything was fake, that’s not gonna fly. I- you know, at this point, if that is true, Grace is a family member. So, I’m not gonna just be sitting here and being told that, you know, I’m gonna come into defense and I’m gonna try to protect my family legacy.

Clark: Yeah, no, I agree, especially since they’re messing with you at this point. *coughs * I mean…

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: Right.

Clark: I mean, I’ve heard, I’ve…

Daniel: So at this point, I’m just to a point to where it’s like I don’t care if I’m in contact with you, it’s not affecting me at a jail, I don’t- I mean, as long as I’m getting proof, right? As long as I end up getting proof in the end that what I’m being told is the truth, then that’s all that matters.

Clark: Yeah, no, and once you get out, we can start getting back on track, but for now we’re just stuck and…

Daniel: Well, I- I guess as well, the courts are concerned because I have nowhere to go.

Clark: Yeah, yeah.

Daniel: Maybe, I don’t know if that’s the case, but if that’s also the case, it’s either the court needs to put me on pretrial services, or I just need Tina to come forward and they just move forward with the house that we were looking at. I don’t know why I’m getting the blame, I’m sitting in jail. I don’t have access to a computer to see what Grace is posting, and I don’t think Grace is trying to get angry or trying to get me angry or something, I just don’t think, you know, I think whatever they’re trying right now is just not working.

Clark: Yeah, it could be just some different communication-

[video ends]

November 23

On November 23, Daniel called Lil Sippy and says that he will not be listening to his lawyer.[17] Lil Sippy had sent him a Grace VanderWaal song book in the mail.[18]

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*Lil Sippy’s phone rings and he accepts *

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. *Lil Sippy presses 5 * You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hello?

Daniel: Hey, so I got the songbook.

Lil Sippy: Is it good? I don’t know what it’s about, is it- do you like it?

Daniel: Yeah, no, it’s great, but there is a issue I also found out, and I was able to fully verify with evidence.

Lil Sippy: What’s that?

Daniel: So, we already know that Tina, right?

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: Is lying. She’s been in contact with me, the uh, VanderWaal Studio account I’ve been in contact with, so she’s lying about almost everything. Um, another thing that I found out is, if you listen to a lot of Grace’s songs…

Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re about you. Yeah.

Daniel: They’re 100% about me, like every single song. Without me, her career would be going down the drain.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: And not only that, with Tina being completely not helpful right now, it’s only making things worse, and I think I figured out why my public defender is saying that Grace is out of picture and everything. And it’s serious.

Lil Sippy: Why’s that? Why is he saying that?

Daniel: So, I- first of all, I was looking at the lyrics, more direct, OK?

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: And it is… she’s actually in a couple of her songs, mentioning the- there was a picture of me, OK? That was videotaped, well not really videotaped but I guess taken a picture of while I was in the shower, and it got leaked all over the internet, OK? It’s one picture, and it was taken behind my back by a person in my disability housing and I was fully nude.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: At that point, Grace was underaged back then.

Lil Sippy: OK?

Daniel: Now, because it got leaked to the internet, Grace around that time was- and I were planning to go on tour. We were talking about going on tour. We weren’t actually serious or even talking about a relationship, you see what I mean?

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: But Grace saw the picture of me, right? And I guess her mother misinterpreted that video, OK?

Lil Sippy: How did her mother interpret it?

Daniel: She thought that I was into, I guess children and was a pedophile, but the thing is that was never the case, OK? So then, right, so this was way back in like 2020, OK? In 2022, Gra- uh, Tina reached out to me and said, “stop talking to Grace”, or “stop talking to the people claiming to be Grace, it’s not Grace.” And that was the video, or that was time right in 2022 where in my legal discovery, I said to Tina which Tina is lying in my legal discovery, but I told Tina that day when Grace was at her family’s, or at her mother’s or something, and Tina denies that Grace was in contact, Tina contacted Grace because she was sitting right next to her, right on the couch or something, and Grace admitted to being in contact with me all along behind Tina’s back.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: You see what I mean? This was in 2020, or no, 2022. This was in 2022.

Lil Sippy: Mhm. Yeah.

Daniel: And when this was going on, that’s when Tina got involved was in 2022.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: If there was never supposed to be anything sexually related other than in 2022 when Tina started getting serious about looking at houses in Colorado, see what I mean?

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: So at that point, the relationship was at some point around there, confirmed. You see what I mean? My biological father lied to me as well, saying that he was not in contact with Grace when he was, as Bob told me-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: Bob told me he was not in contact with Griffin or Tina at the time, but yet Griffin and Tina both told me on VanderWaal Studio’s account, Tina told me that she was in contact with Bob.

Lil Sippy: So what are all these people’s motives for lying to you?

Daniel: So, I- that’s what I’m trying to figure out is never once, just because I had pictures of models and stuff on my phone, and I- Grace wanted me to talent scout, and I guess her modeling or whatever she wanted to do, I don’t fucking know. But she wanted me to become a talent scout for Interscope Records at some point, and somewhere along in there is when I started looking, going through social media as a talent scout, looking for other artists.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: Never once was it anything sexual, but because of the picture, right, back in 2020 that got leaked to social media, ever since then I’ve been a victim of sexual assaults.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: On the streets, um, other people are coming up to me, just in general trying to say, you know, “hey, you know, you’re a pedophile.” Never once was I. See what I mean?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re just trying to- they’re trying to frame you.

Daniel: They’re trying to frame me now, and Tina I think, because Tina did talk to the FBI, there is proof of that, I think- and Griffin. I believe that the FBI is just lying to them without the full verification, and I was- also on top of that, somewhere in like the first or second interview I had with the FBI, I was framed to admit to somebody claiming to be Tina, I don’t think it was, but it might have been, where I actually admitted that I was because I was asked five or six times in a row, I just kind of grave up and I started like, saying whatever, you know what I mean? Because I was asked so many times.


Lil Sippy: Yeah, you were coerced into it.

Daniel: Co-herced (coerced), exactly. So this entire thing is cohercion, and because of my autism, you see what I mean? ‘Cause I don’t know if I have autism, but I think I do somewhere or, who knows, it might just be trauma from everything, I don’t fucking know, but you see I mean, is- because I was asked like six or seven, even when I asked the FBI to stop asking because it’s not true, they continued to ask me and I ended up straight up just saying, “yeah, no, it happened.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re trying to coerce you.

Daniel: Never once- right. And then if Tina, and my problem is if Tina actually somehow got a hold of that information, now Tina’s like, “OK, now this entire situation with my daughter, I’m not going to allow.”

Lil Sippy: And then- and now she’s trying to use it against you-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Lil Sippy: Use it against you and then blackmail you?

Daniel: In a way, yes, and what she needs to end up knowing is none of that is true. Everything was coherced (coerced) by the FBI and Secret Service. They were asking me so many times, even after I asked them to stop. I had nobody with me because I was homeless, to step in and just say, look, this needs to be- this needs to stop. This is turning into harassment. And that’s why I was going on social media saying, look, Daniel MacDougall, or Daniel MacDougall whatever his name is, was harassing me and was putting out misinformation, and every single right to be concerned about that, and to be scared.

Lil Sippy: Yeah it’s-

Daniel: And nowadays it seems like, in society, we cannot ask for help, because when I asked for help, they accused me of what I was asking for help with. They turned it around on me, and now I see Tina’s point, I- they could go bankrupt if you really think about it, they could go straight up bankrupt in lawsuits at this point because there’s so much that has happened.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, that’s what I was just about to say. It sounds like you need to sue the FBI.

Daniel: And that’s gonna be very very difficult to do, very very difficult. And not only that, another thing I found out, Griffin told me he wants to have me out by Christmas, but my public defender is saying don’t talk to Griffin, don’t talk to you, whatever, Tina we already know is saying that. But the- but here’s the thing. In January, my public defender is saying if I’m not transferred, he’s gonna drop the case.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, that much is true, I know that, ‘cause..

Daniel: That much is true, the thing is, if they’re gonna drop the case, then they can’t even transfer me. That means they don’t have a case to begin with, which means they can’t transfer me as long as I’m still in custody. The only thing they could do is outpatient, which means I should be able to walk out this door today, and of course I’m not gonna do that because I’m in custody, ‘cause that would be like running away from, uh, or escape. So I’m not gonna do that, but I’m just saying that, if that is really true that they’re planning to drop the case in January if I’m not transferred, I am not going to be transferred and the case is gonna be dropped. See what I mean?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, hopefully you don’t get transferred.

Daniel: Well the thing is, the way I’m looking at it is they cannot legally transfer me, because you have to know, see what I mean? What drop the case means. Drop the case means I’m going to trial, I’m innocent. They can only keep me in custody and transfer me to another facility where I’m going to be in custody if they can find me guilty, and they can’t because they’re saying that they are dropping the case in January if I’m NOT transferred.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: That makes no sense from their point of view.

Lil Sippy: Oh, it’s something weird going, they’re definitely-

Daniel: There is something very very weird, and then my public defender is saying, as well as Tina, don’t talk to your fans, don’t talk to your friends, don’t talk to Tina, don’t talk to this. There is no proof anywhere where it says right now that I’m not allowed to. I have rights where I can contact friends and family. They’re trying to go against my legal right.

Lil Sippy: They’re trying to violate your rights, they even said don’t talk to Bob, right? And you’ve known Bob for how many years.

Daniel: Right, and Bob’s still not answering, and I’m to a point after I’ve asked him repeatively (repeatedly) to help, and he’s refused as well. I’m just- I don’t want anything to do with him anymore. The only issue is, I kind of feel, after reading Grace’s songs and everything and just listening to everything, because I’ve listened to her songs forever, but I’m just saying. After listening to Grace’s songs more, I really feel kind of the same way that Grace feels on a lot of things. I don’t know what to do, you know, I’m concerned about the picture being leaked, it’s not my fault, and…

Lil Sippy: Yeah, yeah. It’s- it’s… it’s kind of like a, it’s like a Romeo and Juliet situation. You want to be with Grace, Grace wants to be with you.

Daniel: And very very much- well, she wants to be with me, but at the same time, because of that picture…

Lil Sippy: Tina’s saying get away.

Daniel: Right, but because of the picture that got leaked on the internet or whatever, she also can’t get that out of her mind, she can’t- you know what I mean, ‘cause she was underaged at that time.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, yeah.

Daniel: So just watching me being homeless, and watching me struggle in life is really, in my opinion, what’s bringing her into everything, and wanting to be with me. It’s- so..

Lil Sippy: Yeah, ‘cause she’s going through the same stuff, and other- yeah.

Daniel: Right, ‘cause it’s like Romeo and Juliet. She’s tired of seeing me suffer, and that’s turning into love. Kind of like a victim and victim turning into victims loving each other.

Lil Sippy: Definitely.

Daniel: That is, that’s not good.

Lil Sippy: Well, I would say, as long as Grace wants to be with you, it’s- you know, it’s good.

Daniel: I- I agree, but at this point I feel like I shouldn’t be in custody anymore, they’re gonna drop the case in January if I’m not transferred, they should drop it now, but anyways, I gotta go ‘cause the phone’s about to cut out, I’ll try to call you back either tomorrow morning or later tonight.

Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night. Bye.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

November 25

Daniel called Clark on November 25, where he revealed that he got into a fight with another inmate.[19]

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Clark: So where did that even, that fight happen yesterday? So your old cellmate, did he like, just come up to you at- in the evening?

Daniel: It was, it happened like, in the cell after lockdown.

Clark: Oh, so he just came up to you and just like, sock punched you in the face I guess?

Daniel: Not exactly like that, we went on lockdown, and then he started saying, “oh, you know, um, Grace is not in contact with you, she never will be, your legal discovery states it.” Um, and I said, “well, that’s not true at all because you don’t know the true facts, and it- my legal discovery is out of date”. It’s clearly out of date, and if she really didn’t like me and she didn’t want the relationship, she would’ve pressed charges.

Clark: Yeah, yeah. True, true.

Daniel: And the label would’ve too, and he went all berserk over that.

Clark: Jee- Jeez, did you have to go to the nurse or…?

Daniel: Nope, no, I mean, surprisingly enough I wasn’t even bleeding that much but it was enough to give me a black eye, so I put in a kite to see psychology today to let them know, ‘cause I have a history of hitting myself, and I’m gonna let them know that like, they can’t trust everything-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: …can’t believe just anybody. Because people are like, actually trying to accuse me of my past, rether (whether) things are true or not, and then that turns into, like, trolling and blackmail at the same time.

Clark: Jeez, so they’ve been- there’s people in there trying to troll you too?

Daniel: Oh yeah, no, it’s- people are starting to troll, people are starting to- it’s… just the friendships in here are just starting to really get like, too close, if you know what I mean? And then they just start going over the top until it’s no longer funny, and then people get in a fight over.

Clark: Yeah, well, hopefully did they move your cell after that fight yet, or are you still with them?

Daniel: Yeah, they moved my cell, I’m still in the same unit, but I moved to cells because there’s no issues when we’re in the day room. The issues are only with particular cellmates, and they’re- when they’re on lockdown. So, with the right cellmate, everything is perfect. Right.

Clark: OK. Yeah. No, that’s a good thing. Hopefully your new cellmate is better, that- your old cellmate was probably a pedophile or something and was just like, I don’t know.

Daniel: I- I don’t know, I don’t wanna say something that isn’t… *with Clark * true…

Clark: True, true.

Daniel: …but yeah. Um, it’s… um, but besides that, I’m doing OK. Um, I’m just waiting at this point, I mean, being on lockdown so much in a six by, or 8 x 4 cell, it’s really not fun at all. *chuckles *

Clark: Yeah. No, it’s not, and I’ve-

Daniel: Especially when I’m innocent, and the case is gonna get dropped anyways, it’s just- it’s bullshit.

Clark: It’s like, why haven’t they done it already? It makes no sense. I don’t get that.

Daniel: I don’t get that either, because I wanna be with family on Thanksgiving, and also at Christmas because I haven’t been with anybody for like, years on the holidays so I actually want to spend time with family and friends for the holidays and I’ve learned my lessons, I’m not gonna make threats anymore.

Clark: I believe you.

Daniel: But the thing is, I just felt like I was in danger, and that’s why I made the threats. I felt in danger and that’s a legal right.

Clark: I mean, at the same- at the same time, they know you weren’t capable at- it’s not, you’ve never even had a weapon in your life, so I don’t understand why they thought someone- you could even make a bomb or get to the White House, or even… so that’s the main point. Especially if they’ve deemed you mentally incompetent, how do they deem you competent to make those threats- it makes no sense! *laughs *

Daniel: Right. It doesn’t, and I mean, the only thing they could really do is charge, like, plead guilty to the threats themselves, but I have enough evidence to prove that like, I was homeless. I was on probation and the probation officer was court ordered that they get me housing, and they never once even talked to the case manager that works at the probation department, like really? They can’t communicate with that case manager or whatever the person was that was supposed to help with getting housing? The feds come and arrest me AT probation the day that they were supposed to actually have that meeting over housing.

Clark: Yeah. Exactly, that… they…

Daniel: So they just- they were just being all stupid about it on purpose, and that’s not OK, because my public defender is like, “well, we have proof that you were trying to do everything right. We have proof that you were on probation, it was court ordered. We have- you know what I mean?

Clark: You were still showing up, yeah.

Daniel: Like, I was showing up to everything, and then on top of that, my probation officer was giving me food from their food bank, whatever thing, food closet?

Clark: Bank, yeah. But stuff that you couldn’t even make. *laughs *

Daniel: And it was all microwaveable. But microwaveable or you have to cook on a stove. So how, like if I’m homeless, where the heck am I gonna find boiling hot water to cook like, rice or cook enchiladas? ‘Cause like, I’m just saying, like, how, like- that is just not realistic at all.

Clark: No it’s not, that’s a point you should definitely bring up to your lawyers.

Daniel: I did, I did.

Clark: Oh, also…

Daniel: I already brought all of this up to my lawyer, and he’s like, this is why he deemed me incompetent. He was like, because, from what it sounds like is he doesn’t even have time for trial on his caseload. He’s way too busy, so he’s just deemed me incompetent, put on this wait game and he’s like, well you’re innocent, we’re gonna try to get you out as soon as possible. Like, dude, like really?

Clark: And at the same- yeah. Do you think he like, do you think he reads the reddit and stuff?

Daniel: Well, he, well the crazy thing is he says he’s been a follower of mine for a long time, so he already knows a lot of information.

Clark: Yeah, I heard that he printed off a comment about him from the reddit and it’s in his office.

Daniel: I have no clue, but, it’s…

Clark: *laughs * Oh also, a good question, is your hair super long, or did you get a haircut recently or how does that work?

Daniel: I have not gotten a haircut. Nobody wants to do my haircut, because they don’t know what’s going on with the record deal or Grace, and it’s inmates that do the haircut.

Clark: Oh, OK.

Daniel: And so the inmates are concerned if the record label or Tina, because I got deemed incompetent, like has, um, owns my public image or something.

Clark: Oh, OK.

Daniel: So the inmates don’t wanna do the haircut, so I’m just sitting here with my hair, like, down to my chin. *laughs * until I get out, because I haven’t gotten a haircut all year.

Clark: *laughs * Jeez! Yeah, I figured. I was like, dang your must be- it’s been six months, you hair must be down to your shoulders!

Daniel: My hair is almost longer than Grace’s.

Clark: Jeez!

Daniel: Like literally I wanna say the same or longer-

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: …yeah.

Clark: Yeah, no, so yeah, I guess all we can really do is wait till January and it’s not too far from there, and I mean, I’m glad you're staying up and just keep having hope, and keep doing your classes and proving everyone wrong, and I think you’ll- I mean.

Daniel: Yeah, and then also, I’m just gonna be in contact with you, and I’m gonna be in contact with Nicholas more as like a, friend while I’m in here and then I’ll do whatever Tina wants once I get out.

Clark: Yeah, that’s smart. And then, also I think when you get out, you’re even more popular right now, you’re gonna easily be able to make money with people or… I mean, people think you’re out every day for some reason, everyone’s like, “oh, did Daniel actually get out?” because people post.

Daniel: That’s- that’s crazy. But anyways, the phone’s about to cut out, um, but it’s good to know that I am more popular than ever. That’s good, alright?

Clark: Alright, I’ll see you later Daniel.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Clark: Bye.

November 27

Daniel called Lil Sippy on November 27. [20] Daniel now says that his release date will be in January according to his public defender, and also confirms that he has been resorting to hitting himself in jail.

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Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To- *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now.

Lil Sippy: Hello?

Daniel: Hey, there’s a major problem going on.

Lil Sippy: What’s going on?

Daniel: So Griffin is not getting back to me, Bob is not getting back to me still, um, my public defender keeps lying to me about Grace completely, but on top of it, Griffin, um, I think- two days ago now, confirmed with me. Have you seen the post on social media from Grace directly, OK, and it says “fuck ass Bob” is what it says?

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: That was really Grace, and the reason why she was saying it was because Bob wasn’t getting me housing. She was angry and pissed because I was on the streets getting misdemeanor charges and I was being lied to by the, I guess the public defenders and law enforcement saying that my relationship with Grace wasn’t real, and so now that the relationship is confirmed real, with Griffin, ever since then Bob has gone completely silent, won’t answer any calls, I’m not getting money on my books. I got in trouble here at the jail from the commissary because I put in commissary slips without any money on my books, because Bob just won’t answer the calls, so I got in big trouble with commissary over that. Um, and then, also other inmates are now buying me commissary, which I owe them back. So issues are starting to show up, and not only that, because I pleaded guilty to all the misdemeanor charges for being lied to pretty much, because the only reason why I pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor charges to begin with over the course of my life was because I was told that Grace’s relationship wasn’t real and the courts would get me housing, which is why they ordered the housing through probation. Which probation, as soon as Grace came forward and said, “No, the relationship is real. It’s your guys' fault you guys aren’t even getting him housing.” Then it became this war back and forth of he said, she said, so I shouldn’t have pled guilty to anything, and now here I am in the feds, and the feds are refusing to release me from my understanding, and my public defender says in January he’s gonna move to drop the charges because they have evidence to prove I’m innocent. But my public defender is saying the relationship with Grace never happened and was never even real, and I told him like, “why did Grace leak- a leak on social media, the fuck ass Bob post…”

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: “...and why is she posting about me and all this crazy stuff?” You see what I mean? And he got pissed off at me, hung up the phone on me and is refusing to speak to me now.

Lil Sippy: Why does he keep denying the relationship with Grace?

Daniel: I don’t know. I have no clue why everybody is denying the relationship with Grace, and Grace is the only one that keeps coming forward time and time after again, and Tina is of course concerned about future legal obligations, well the legal obligations have to do because the relationship was real, and I’ve been sitting here pleading guilty to shit all along. And Bob wants me to cut ties with Griffin, but Griffin just also confirmed with me that he’s been in contact with Bob for years! So they’ve been talking behind my back, and now all of a sudden they’re like, “oh, but you have to cut ties with Griffin.” Fuck no! Like, there’s no law, there’s no nothing that says I have to cut ties with my family.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. What- wh…

Daniel: So I’m just being- I’m being thrown around in this crazy loop, and I came forward yesterday to psychology saying that like, this is illegal, that’s what’s going on towards me and it’s getting to a point where it’s really like- I demand mental health treatment once I get out, because I’m affected.

Lil Sippy: So what are Bob and Griffin doing behind your back?

Daniel: Apparently, it’s the phone calls that are getting leaked. Tina’s pissed off at it, Bob’s pissed off at it, my lawyer’s pissed off at it, but in my legal discovery it straight up says that the courts can record the calls, though they’re the ones leaking it. Not Grace, not the feds… I mean, well, it’s the feds and the courts, but it’s not Grace and it’s not Griffin, you see what I mean?

Lil Sippy: So it’s Bob?

Daniel: It *groans * no, it’s the courts and the feds that are leaking it, leaking the calls because it’s in my legal discovery.

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.

Daniel: It’s the same thing that you told me where the fans are just getting it off this website because of the new law that got put in place a couple years back.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, so…

Daniel: That’s how they’re getting it, and what’s crazy is I’m being blamed for that. I’m being blamed for that wall, like what?

Lil Sippy: Who’s blaming you for it?

Daniel: Bob!

Lil Sippy: Oh god.

Daniel: You see what I mean? Bob is like, if this ends up on social media, this call, and then I will stop contact. Well, he stopped contact. Now Griffin has stopped contact, and this is going on three days in a row or whatever, me not getting a hold of him.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, B-

Daniel: And then, on top of that, my public defender is like, “oh but we’re dropping the case in January.” If they’re dropping the case in January, they should drop it today!

Lil Sippy: Yeah, and Bob just needs to step up to the plate and get the money back on your books and get your housing and stuff.

Daniel: Right, because it’s ruining not only my life at this point, but my public defender’s now not believing shit because of it. I don’t know if that’s the exact- what’s going on there, but it’s clear that like, what’s going is just not OK.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I’m 100% innocent and I should be out, let alone being lied to about my own fucking family at this point?

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: (It’s just) a lawsuit on top of a lawsuit against the feds!

Lil Sippy: Yeah, definitely. So I was reading more into the uh, BOP’s new phone policy in January if you’re still in, hopefully you’re not, but if you are, it says you can still get free phone calls if you’re in programming.

Daniel: Well, I’m not gonna be in programming ‘cause my case is supposed to get dropped, but that is an issue. That’s a big issue. They’re just fucking everything over completely.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. I don’t know what Bob’s and Griffin’s deal is, but they’re…

Daniel: And Griffin is saying he wants me out before Christmas, but my defender is like nope, that’s not gonna happen, you’re gonna be transferred to Springfield. Well, the thing is, I’m not gonna be transferred to Springfield, and they have to drop the case since I’ve been lied to about my fiance which is why I made the threats and was homeless, and Bob wasn’t getting me housing because he didn’t know what to believe. Nobody knew what to believe.


Lil Sippy: Yeah, and I don’t know what’s going on with Grace. Why is she not signing up for, you know, a visit or something?

Daniel: Well, I don’t know either, but there’s something big going on and I believe it’s because of legal obligations like Tina was saying, because of how bad things have become.

Lil Sippy: Yeah. *yawns *

Daniel: It’s- it’s fucked up. It’s not right, and what’s stupid is, even if I’m in the feds because I plead guilty to the misdemeanor, like the criminal trespasses when I was homeless, when I was being lied to about my relationship, now I’m sitting in here suffering. Because, you see what I mean? They’re gonna give me all, like full-time for the probation.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: But for a crime that I really never committed, just because I was homeless and I’m trying to sleep on a fucking sidewalk doesn’t mean shit.

Lil Sippy: But you’ve discharged off probation for the misdemeanors now, right?

Daniel: No.

Lil Sippy: You’re still on probation in there? So…

Daniel: Yeah.

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK.

Daniel: So if I get- if this gets dropped, I don’t know if I’m going to have to go into uh, to the county jails, do you see what I mean?

Lil Sippy: Yeah, you might be on probation hold or something. Do you know when you discharge off probation?

Daniel: Nope, I don’t.

Lil Sippy: Oh.

Daniel: And like I said, my public defender won’t tell me shit.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I don’t know what his problem is.

Daniel: Like, won’t tell me anything so, and then he deemed- he just claims it on the fact I’m incompetent. He can’t do that, he has to tell me what’s going on, let alone if the- I have proof that the relationship’s real, he can’t call me a liar. He can’t, and then by him calling me a liar, no wonder I go back in my cell and start punching myself in my face and start, you know hitting myself until I bleed or something just because I’m being lied to! Which is..

Lil Sippy: Yeah, he’s constantly saying the relationship is fake and, I don’t know what his problem is.

Daniel: Right, and I know the opposite. But being lied to, I don’t know why and that’s what’s affecting my mental health. Not, you see what I mean? Like, this is just all fucked up.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I’ve been trying to text Bob, he hasn’t been answering.

Daniel: Well Gr- yeah, and Griffin told me he was texting Bob too because of the relationship with Grace being real, and like I said, Bob just went completely dead silent, and Tina’s telling me just to lay low and not worry about the relationship and worry about getting out, but as soon as I said that, well, Tina said that, and I started talking to my public defender again because he started coming into the picture. He just started arguing with me on the phone, creating this big fight over the phone, and I’m like “Uh, weird.”

Lil Sippy: Huh. I don’t know, maybe Tina’s telling you to not worry about the relationship, ‘cause she’s trying to sabotage the relationship.

Daniel: *sighs * I don’t know, but it’s really really affecting me at this point, and it’s only making things worse. Like, I’ve sent a kite into psychology now demanding that my case gets dropped and I get mental health treatment once I’m out, because being incarcerated, let alone being lied to is affecting my mental health so much.

Lil Sippy: *inhales, sighs * Yeah, I don’t know, hopef-

Daniel: And on top of that, it sounds like Bob all of a sudden wants me to put out more music on distribution, but my public defender told me my career is over, meaning that I’m going to plead guilty to something, like a felony or something. But then…

Lil Sippy: He can’t force you to plead guilty.

Daniel: But THEN, he can’t, and then on top of that, he says, “but in January, we’re gonna move to drop the case.” Well, dropping the case, we already know what that means, dropping the charges. So why doesn’t he just drop the charges now, I don’t care if it’s, you know, the prosecutor because he told me the prosecutor said in January. That’s what he told me along with you, but I believe that if they’re saying that they’re gonna drop the charges that they already know I’m innocent. So since they know I’m innocent, they just need to drop the charges now because Grace wanted to be here for my birthday, and that got canceled because I was in custody. And Grace also can’t come visit me because of the BOP rules.

Lil Sippy: What are the rules?

Daniel: They have to be like, either married or they have to be on paper, meaning that the relationship has to be already like, on paper, like marriage.

Lil Sippy: But she-

Daniel: And since we’re not on paper, she can’t come here. Bob also can’t come here because he’s not on paper.

Lil Sippy: But she can marry you in the jail though. But Grace could get married with you in jail, couldn’t she?

Daniel: She could, but I don’t think she wants that. She wants an engagement cruise to Hawaii and to Disney and then she wants our wedding I think, I think she was saying something like in the UK or Japan or something.

Lil Sippy: Oh, OK. Yeah, I don’t know, but at least you could- she could answer the phone or something, you could call her, but she doesn’t seem like she’s doing anything.

Daniel: So… right, but anyways, I gotta go, this entire situation’s all messed up, and um, things are not making sense along with the relationship, let alone being lied to, I’m kind of to a point I’m having enough of it. *coughs * So, it-

Lil Sippy: Yeah, definitely. We gotta figure out what’s going on with Griffin and Bob behind your back too.

Daniel: Yeah, um, anyways I gotta go, OK?

Lil Sippy: Alright, talk to you soon.

Daniel: Alright, bye.

Lil Sippy: Bye.


November 29

Daniel and Lil Sippy had a short phone conversation on November 29, where he states that he is concerned for his safety in jail as he is being targeted by other inmates and CO's. [21]

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*Lil Sippy’s phone rings and he answers *

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To block this- *Lil Sippy presses 5 * You may begin speaking now.


Daniel: Hello?

Lil Sippy: Hello?

Daniel: Hey, there is a- there’s a big issue going on here at the jail.

Lil Sippy: What’s happening?

Daniel: So, all of the inmates, all the inmates got- I guess, told their families or whatever to look up my, um, popularity on social media and other inmates were also looking at my legal discovery and my case has certain things that are blacked out, like blacked out.

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: And now the inmates have turned everything into a joke on purpose to try to piss me off, and general popu- I’m in PC, I’m in protective custody, but general population and certain CO’s are trying to team up to kill me.

Lil Sippy: OK, um, have you talked to Griffin or Bob about it?

Daniel: Bob is not answering my calls, he hasn’t been in a couple months now. Griffin is- every time I call him, he’s just like, I don’t know why you’re not out, Tina’s still playing this waiting game, she wants you out, I don’t know why you’re not out. My public defender is saying still, that I’m not in contact and never was with Tina or Grace, but there’s proof otherwise. My biological father just doesn’t really wanna talk about anything, let alone help me right now and things are just not looking good, and other inmates are saying that my public defender’s still having court without me and I’ve already been designated so it’s, people are just saying things and doing things just to piss me off on purpose. But anyways, I gotta go, they’re locking everybody down right now.

Lil Sippy: OK, talk soon.

Daniel: They’re doing a weekend holiday count.

Lil Sippy: Alright.

Daniel: Alright. Alright, bye.

Lil Sippy: Bye.

November 30

Daniel called Lil Sippy on November 30, revealing that he may be losing his phone privileges. [22] The SIS (Special Investigative Service) had also allegedly contacted Grace and Tina, who are now filing a restraining order against Daniel.

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Automated voice: This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. To bl- *Lil Sippy presses 5 * You may begin speaking now.


Daniel: Hello?

Lil Sippy: Hello? Hello?

Daniel: Hey, um, just to let you know this may be the last time I can call.

Lil Sippy: Oh, why’s that?

Daniel: Um, yesterday I got called out by the SIS, which is like the head investigators and I guess the head team of the jail….

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: …who deals with investigations. You probably know what SIS is because you’ve been to prison before. I got called out by them, they said they contacted Grace on my behalf when I told them not to, but that’s besides the point. They went ahead and did that, uh, behind my back and Grace is threatening a restraining order now.

Lil Sippy: The real Grace is threatening a restraining order? Why’s that?

Daniel: That’s my understanding, I don’t know, just because the CO’s are calling. I don’t know any other information other than that, I’m just going off of what SIS has told me and then they’ve also told me to stop contact with everyone or they will be shutting off the phone, and to be that’s a deliberate threat, not only towards me but that’s a threat to the VanderWaals, Grace. Um, especially if my public defender is not telling who I can and can’t contact, that’s my public defender’s fault and then I also got threatened last night, uh, over two things, Um, one thing is that um, if I contact anybody they will throw me in the SHU if I use the phone, which goes against my amendments, my amendments, and to go along with that, they are also saying that um, Grace is not involved in my case when she is, because she’s in my legal discovery and she’s a big part of my case. And to go along with that, I also got um, told last night by the night shift to go ahead and pack my belongings because I’m getting out, I’m getting my case dropped. But then, after I packed up they came back to my cell, the night shift here at the jail, and they told me, “Oh, we’re just playing around” so I started freaking out last night going like, “why are the CO’s the last couple days just on purpose doing everything in the world to try to piss me off?”, saying I’m getting out, they came on the intercom a couple times last night telling me to back my stuff, I’m leaving, which never once happened, they were just going all haywire for some reason, like throwing me on purpose into the spotlight in front of these other inmates.

Lil Sippy: Yes.

Daniel: I don’t know the reason behind it, I don’t know why I’m getting the blame…

Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison.

Daniel: Especially being targeted by me trying to just do my time and get out, and all I want is just to know what’s going on with me and Grace, that’s all I want and nobody is even helping me and psychiatric here at this jail is telling me that my mental health is doing better, but I’m in my cell every single night punching the living crap out of myself on purpose beating myself up to where I have cuts and bruises all over my skin and all over my body because psychiatric is just telling me that, “oh, you’re doing great” when I’m not, and I’ve told them that, like I told them like, I don’t know who to believe anymore. My public defender is not doing his job, I don’t know why I got deemed incompetent and they’re not talking to me about my case. I’ve been sitting here six months and then psychiatric tells me that “oh, you’re doing great” and I just start punching myself in my face till I have a black eye because I feel like they’re just playing me on purpose trying to piss me off, and I feel like I have a lawsuit against that.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, you don’t-

Daniel: But also, I sent in the BP-8 or whatever it is, the paperwork, the um, Prisoner Complaint Form and um, mail sent it right back to me. They are refusing to send it out.

Lil Sippy: You talking the uh, the suing paperwork or like, a grievance form?

Daniel: Yes, the suing paperwork. They’re refusing to even mail it out.

Lil Sippy: Wow.

Daniel: And then they’re threatening to throw me in the SHU over it.

Lil Sippy: It sounds like the CO’s and them are trying to sabotage your relationship with Grace.

Daniel: That’s what it sounds like too, and then also Bob is, um doing the same thing, he’s not answering the calls. Griffin said um, a couple days ago now that he thinks I should be getting out. He’s in agreeance with that, that I should be getting out, but then he hung up the call on me. He refused to talk anything else and he said, “I don’t know why you’re not out” and hung up the phone, that’s literally all he said. And then, also he, Griffin, admitted to being in contact with Bob.

Lil Sippy: Hmmm. So, what are they doing? Are Griffin and Bob..

Daniel: So I don’t know. Bob is telling me, or he was telling me that um, last time I talked to him that he was not in contact with Griffin, but Griffin and Grace’s mother I know for a fact ARE, and I have proof of that, I have actual proof of that on my phone, not in jail, but my phone that Bob actually has, I have proof of it. To go along with that, um, I just don’t know why I’m being targeted in general, but I’m being like, actually targeted for some reason, not in a criminal way or- they’re not breaking the law as of right now, but they’re just on purpose doing things that they know they can get away with just to make me as angry as possible. I don’t know why.

Lil Sippy: Definitely sounds like that.

Daniel: Yeah, and then they’re trying to say, “Oh, you’re incompetent. You’re going to be transferred.” They can’t transfer me if they’re on purpose trying to make me angry as possible. Like, deliberately that- that’s actually a- that’s a lawsuit that I can do, because that’s illegal. And then, also Bob keeps blaming in my legal discovery and just over the phone calls in general, and-

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Daniel: Also in police reports prior to my arrest, anything that in my legal discovery talks about him, right? He is blaming that it’s all AI. Now AI robot, AI voice, AI pictures, they can- they are actually a thing, but the thing is, feel like Democrats nowadays, I’m not a Democrat but I feel like, well, I’m independent, but I feel like Democrats are blaming their mistakes on AI. That’s how I feel, and Bob is blaming everything right now, all of the videos, all of the phone calls with him that has ever been leaked on social media with Clark aka Griffin, with Grace, with Tina or people claiming to be them, he ends up coming back later and saying “Oh, it’s AI.” Now it’s already been confirmed here at the jail that, by the correction officers because I got called out by SIS and other people, but they’re telling me that it- I shouldn’t trust even my own family at this point because they’re lying. I’m actually correct, and I’m being the victim of my own family. That’s what I’m being told now, and the reason why I’m thinking that this might be my last call is because the jail staff are threatening to stop all calls from this day forward.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, that sounds like- I don’t know what they have against you. I don’t know- it definitely sounds like they’re targeting you.

Daniel: I don’t know what they have against me. They’re targeting me, and my public defender doesn’t give a fuck.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, wow, so… *exhales *

Daniel: And I feel like I should be able to have contact, and if I’m in the wrong, my public defender can always come visit me for like 30 minutes and tell me like, “we have proof of this, here’s the proof, if you can cease contact with this person.” They’re not even doing that, so I don’t have the proof to be able to verify what anybody is saying at this point. It’s all just words and it’s driving me literally insane.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, definitely. Sounds very frustrating, I don’t know what- I don’t know why they would wanna- So, it’s only- you’ve only been in contact with me and Griffin and your dad and Bob, right?

Daniel: Well, he’s my- he’s kind of like a stepdad to me, he’s not my biological dad. But yeah, um, that’s about it since I’ve been arrested and not even- not even my public defender really, but since like, early October like October 3, October 4, I haven’t been in contact with. I’ve been trying to call him, he’s been refusing to answer, I don’t know if he’s dead or alive. Nobody will tell me.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, he was sick though.

Daniel: In the meantime- right. In the meantime, I’ve been talking with you the most because Griffin is not even answering his phone much, and Griffin wants to give me a number of his friend, but the SIS here is telling me, “Don’t do that”.

Lil Sippy: Huh.

Daniel: Because that’s gonna add to, I guess whatever is going on and I guess as well, Tina is in communication with somebody here at the jail on a regular basis, because SIS told me this, is contact with the jail staff trying to get a restraining order on me because I’m talking on the phone about her, but yet nobody is sending me the proof, nobody is sending me anything to even match what they’re saying. All it is is just words, and that’s why I’m to a point I don’t give a fuck anymore about what’s going on. I’m just in complete violation of things myself because it’s clear everybody’s just violating whatever they feel like, and I’m just- I’m more of a guy that is like, I will do what I’m going to do until there’s proof on paper

Lil Sippy: Yeah, it just doesn’t make sense why she would want a restraining order, ‘cause you can’t get a restraining order against somebody, um, unless they, you know, threaten you or something. But you never threatened her, you just want to make amends with her and uh, you know, get back on her good side and get back with Grace.

Daniel: It unless, unless- um, right. That’s all I want is to get back on her good side, and try to figure out what’s going on and I haven’t even talked to her since I’ve been here and she’s trying to say that I either have or something, and SIS is getting in the middle of it, but yet they’re not sending me, or they’re not showing me the proof of their phone call because they’re the ones that are saying we made the call, meaning SIS made the call to Grace and Tina. I don’t even know if Grace and Tina even want that call. You see what I mean?

Lil Sippy: Yeah.

Daniel: I don’t- I don’t know if they’re- if they were threatening SIS with a restraining order or if they were threatening me, but until I have either something on paper or I talk with Tina to try to sort this out, it’s just empty threats.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, I don’t know, I don’t know what SIS’s problem is, I don’t know why they’re messing with you, but…

Daniel: And it’s not just SIS, like last night after lockdown the CO’s like I said, told me to pack my stuff and I was leaving, I- my case was dropped, I was getting out. I packed up everything and then after I packed up, I started banging on my cell door and woke up my cellie because he was asleep, it was like midnight, and then at midnight here comes the CO back to my cell and is like, “Oh, we were just playing around with you.” and I’m like, “Fuck you! You guys woke me up, told me to pack stuff, now I’m thinking I’m getting out, like you guys were saying, and now you guys are joking about everything?” so I just sat in my cell and just started punching the living crap out of myself, and my cellie told me it’s not worth it. They’re just trying to piss me off.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, it’s- it’s definite-

Daniel: And I was like, I was like, “I understand that, but it’s not OK what they’re doing.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, it’s definitely not OK what they’re doing but hurting yourself isn’t gonna change anything. Yeah.

Daniel: It’s not gonna help myself either, and I mean, even on top of that, um, psychiatric is saying that like, “Oh, you’re doing great.” They’re not helping, they’re not doing anything, so I’m just to a point I’m just kind of letting it escalate which isn’t good.

Lil Sippy: Yeah, that’s not good, you wanna keep yourself safe. If you start hurting yourself, it’s just gonna make things a lot worse, so.

Daniel: Right, and I’m also not- like, psychiatric is not gonna put me suicide watch or anything because I’m not suicidal, so they can’t do that and I’ve already talked to psychiatric and they’re not gonna do it because they already know I’m not suicidal.

Lil Sippy: OK.

Daniel: But anyways, I gotta go, alright? This is absolutely crazy.

Lil Sippy: Alright, hopefully I talk to you soon if they don’t cut off the phones.

Daniel: Alright, alright. Sounds good. Alright, bye.}

Lil Sippy: Alright, bye.


December 2024

December 1

Daniel called Clark on December 1, claiming he was sexually assaulted by his former cellmate. [23] The full call was uploaded two days later. [24] This was the final phone call that took place at FCI Englewood.

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[Transcript starts one minute into the call.]

Daniel: ..the legal di… for my- my computer for the phone stuff so I could use the phone and call people, they found her number in the phone thing, OK, on the computer and they decided to call her, and Grace threatened a restraining order. I have not spoken to her since I’ve been arrested, or at all, OK? I don’t know what is going on with that, my public defender like I said will not tell me anything because I just haven’t spoken to her since I’ve been in custody, maybe not even this year. I don’t know, but I’ve been threatened now over a restraining order by them.

Clark: Jeez!

Daniel: I don’t know what’s going on, but SIS is just going haywire, and SIS here at the jail threatened to throw me in the SHU, um, over Grace. I don’t know what’s going on, I don’t know if it’s some type of attack, but I am to a point to where I feel like I’m being completely taken advantage of, not only prior to me coming in jail, but now that I’m in jail, I feel the same. Also, to go along with that, one of the CO’s got on the loudspeaker for the entire unit, told me yesterday to pack all of my belongings and that I was leaving.

Clark: Jeez, so they were trying to get you kicked out of the unit, but then..

Daniel: They- no, it was correction officers that got on the loudspeaker for the entire pod, OK? And told me that, to pack my belongings…

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{{red|Daniel: …for the course to file two things on a weekend, on a holiday weekend is very very suspicious, let alone the fact that they said they were going to like, prob- my court, my public defender was going to send in a motion if I’m not moved by the end of January- or the, end of December, right the end of December, the 31st, then I would be getting out, right? That’s what he said, but then for it to be a new four months, right? A new four months and then they cancel it, and then say “No, we’re not going another four months so he’s getting out at the end of the 31st- December 31, once again to me is very suspicious, why don’t they just drop the case now?

Clark: Yeah, December 31. Yeah, they need to- And Nicholas, yeah, he’s very suspicious too. I think he’s being investigated as well as we speak, I mean, actually I know he is.

Daniel: Well, Nicholas is a- I agree with that, and that’s another thing SIS called me out on, but I also feel like he’s- he sent me in the mail legal information about my case.

Clark: *coughs * Yeah.

Daniel: They’re not allowed to renew the four months. At the end of the four months, it’s up to the jail um, manager or jail somebody, I forget. But, I actually have the paperwork and the rules for how they’re allowed to do the case.

Clark: Oh, and you said you got punched in the face, but then you kind of told Nicholas that you punched yourself, so did you actually punch yourself or did you get punched?

Daniel: Both.

Clark: OK, OK.

Daniel: But that was over a couple days ago and I talked to psych, and psych told me that, believe it or not, that my mental health is doing phenomenal! They said my mental health is doing phenomenal, and I just sat there and laughed at them when I came back to my cell. I was like, uh, my mental health is declining and you guys are saying it’s getting better? So what’s going on now? And that’s when I really started to raise red flags, as to what they’re teaching. It’s very, very weird, like, since Trump got in office, they’ve switched their motive on everything to, oh, he’s doing great, he’s doing phenomenal. And then I start getting all these correction officers randomly threatening me and saying, don’t talk to Grace, Grace- it’s pretty much a threatening Grace, if you really think about it.

Clark: That’s weird. Yeah, and do they go through-

Daniel: And I’m sitting here, going like, I never really talked- I don’t know what they’re talking about, and then you tell me that the two motions came out for my release or whatever, and that makes absolutely no sense. So why do I have to wait 31-ish days now until the 1st of January before I walk out this door because that’s after the holiday and that-

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Daniel: It would most likely be the soonest time after New Year’s, they would just walk me out the door here, my case is dropped…

Clark: It’s almost like, yeah, it’s almost like they’re trying to give you a little bit of false hope, which is almost wrong though.

Daniel: They’re trying to give me false hope is- and that’s almost wrong. I agree with that 100%, and that is what’s affecting my mental health at this point. I’ve known they’ve been doing this WAY since my public defender that I would be getting out and I would be transferred. When that didn’t happen, I started to already look at red flags as of three months ago, and then I started talking to the unit case manager about, “hey, can you schedule a legal call?” and he started saying no.

Clark: Weird, and wait-

Daniel: And then he went on vacation for two weeks, and when he came back he was only back for a day, and then he went on vacation again and I was like, this is turning into, definitely me being taken advantage of, and I’m not going to let that slide.

Clark: Oh, no, and I- I mean, is your cellmate still messing with you or have you gotten that dealt with.

Daniel: That situation is under control.

Clark: OK. Did they let you write-

Daniel: I got a new cellmate, I was with a previous cellmate that did rape me, um, but I reported it.

Clark: Wh- what, did he touch you? What the hell, Daniel?

Daniel: He… well it was a lot more than just that, but he held me down and wouldn’t let me move or whatever, and tried to do some stuff but I reported it and um, well another thing is the jail, um, sexual abuse whatever… report people, they dropped that case and said it never it happened, ‘cause hey didn’t have proof, so that pisses me off too.

Clark: Jeez. Yeah, that’s wrong. Did they let you-

Daniel: But they did move me out of that cell, and that guy actually got out of jail. He left to the halfway house, so that’s not good either.

Clark: Weird, no that guys-

Daniel: He goes to the same halfway house I was supposed to, then that’s a safety concern.

Clark: That is.

Daniel: So, the courts need to just drop the case so I don’t go to the halfway house, and also, I got money. I’ve been getting music stuff, right? My music sales that you know about, so I have money with that.

Clark: Yeah, yeah. And you have-

Daniel: And then, also, sorry one more thing.

Clark: You’re good.

Daniel: I hate to interrupt.

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Daniel: So, one big, big problem as well, about just kind of how things are going, way back in early October, right? Bob told me that my music sales got down to $12 a week. That’s a big drop from $180 from $200 to what it used to be.

Clark: Yeah, yeah, that is.

Daniel: So they’re destroying my public image, and my sales are going down. I’m gonna- If I get back out, I need to find a way to get housing fast.

Clark: No, I agree, and we have to get your image looking better than always, so..

Daniel: I agree. But anyways, the phone’s about to cut out. What were you gonna say?

Clark: Uh, I was just gonna say uh, I hope you’re doing well, and I hope they at least let you like, decorate your cell and something like that, because-

Daniel: Um, I’m gonna get by. I’m fighting this right now, and I’m trying to get out, but I’ll get by, alright?

Clark: OK, alright.

Daniel: Alright. Bye.


Clark: Alright, see you Daniel. Bye. *hangs up *

December 13

After being transferred to Cimarron Correctional Facility, Daniel called Clark and informed him that he is there awaiting transfer to Springfield. [25] This was the first out of two calls that took place at Cimarron Correctional Facility.

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Daniel: Hello?

Clark: Hi, Daniel!

Daniel: Hey. Um, what time…

Clark: Jeez, what the he-

Daniel: Uh, what times are good for me to call?

Clark: Um, I’m back in the States now so pretty much anytime. Sorry, I was trying to figure out the credit card thing and everything, ‘cause your calls haven’t cost money recently, but these ones do and I didn’t know you were gonna be in Oklahoma so I’m confused on that as well so, but I’m here now.

Daniel: OK, so I’m in Oklahoma, um, because they don’t transfer direct.

Clark: OK, OK.

Daniel: Um, I went on a private jet with the feds, OK? Um, from Denver to Oklahoma with about 200 people on the plane, um, it’s like a private commercial jet.

Clark: Jeez!

Daniel: And there was like, 20 officers on the plane but, and they were I guess trained also as flight attendants but they were actual like, fed officers, um, and the flight was an hour, hour and a half. I landed in Oklahoma City and then I got here to Cimarron Correctional Facility, and I’m gonna be here until the flight- until I guess they can schedule, ‘cause there’s only three planes for the feds. When the next plane goes from Cimarron to Springfield, then that’s the plane I’m gonna be on.

Clark: OK, that makes sense. Yeah that’s what some people were talking about online, that you’re just in a holding and then they’ll move you to Missouri in the next couple days.

Daniel: Yeah, so I finally got a hold of Bob, OK? Once again, I’m not gonna be talking about him because he doesn’t want that.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: Um, so… first of all, you know the reason why I made the threats. Um, I don’t want to keep talking about that. I’m kind of pissed off *chuckles * at kind of everybody in a way because I felt like everybody was just talking and not actually doing or owning up to what they were saying. You see what I’m saying?

Clark: Yeah. Yeah, I agree, I agree.

Daniel: So, I felt like I had to make the threats to be able to get off the streets, and I realized that I shouldn’t have done it, I don’t think I can be held accountable for the threats because it was court ordered by probation that I was on; the misdemeanor probation for housing, and my probation officer kept holding it off which he shouldn’t have done.

Clark: That’s true.

Daniel: Um, so I do blame probation in a way. Um, but I was also knowing the situation with Tina and Grace, and then you, and I wanted to really kind of set my foot down and really say, “look, I care about this probably more than people think I do, I care about the relationship, I care about my future, I don’t wanna be on the streets anymore.”, and that’s why I kind of had to- I felt like I had to draw the line to bring everybody together.

Clark: Yeah, no, that makes sense.

Daniel: And, um… well, thank you. Um, I do realize that there might have been trolling in the past or whatever, I’m kind of pissed of my family. I’m not gonna mention names, I’m just kind of pissed off at my biological-

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Daniel: -some of my friends for blaming people without really knowing anything and then them blaming other people and family without really knowing any information, because it’s not getting us anywhere, and I think we live in a already judgmental world and we don’t need more of that.

Clark: No, I 100% agree with you. Everything was just kind of going crazy and then when the feds got involved, and then of course you have a Reddit that’s constantly posting your every move, where you are, what you’re doing, making things-

Daniel: And- right, and I don’t think Bob even realized that it was really that, and I don’t think he realized that fans were actually showing up at the locations. He thought that, or just, you know, there. Wherever I was. I think he was thinking I was actually posting my location which I wasn’t doing when I was with him.

Clark: Yeah. That’s true.

Daniel: Um, so I think there was a big family miscommunication going on and they just didn’t believe me. Um, but anyways I- my public defender did say when I first got arrested that I wouldn’t know anything about Tina or Grace or further information until I get deemed competent.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: OK? I wish it wasn’t that way, I really do, but it doesn’t look like it’s gonna go anywhere until I get deemed competent.

Clark: Which should hopefully happen sooner or later, I mean, you’re on medication now, you’re sounding a lot better, just- I would just, I mean, keep it up and they’re gonna- they have to.

Daniel: Well, that’s r- yeah, but the crazy thing is I haven’t even started the medication yet.

Clark: Oh, shoot. *laughs *

Daniel: *laughs * I know, right? Like, just because I’m off the streets, I’m doing better.

Clark: That's true.

Daniel: Like, I hate to say it that way, but it’s all because I’m off the streets and I’m getting food. Like, I was close to dying. My body was shutting down.

Clark: Is the dis- that’s true. Is this facility better than the other one or is it worse or?


Daniel: Um, no, it’s- I don’t wanna say it’s like, the cells are like a porta potty, um...

Clark: Oh shoot *chuckles *

Daniel: *wheezes * But it’s like, you know when you go to like, a park and there’s like the cabins or whatever where the restroom is?

Clark: Yeah, yeah.

Daniel: Or like, a shower at a sporting field.

Clark: Oh, OK OK.

Daniel: It’s like that. Concrete floor that’s dirty as hell, one toilet that’s about the same as like an actual porta potty um, or county jail, but the window is just one big gigantic window for the ceiling, um, so I can see out. Um, besides that, I mean it’s set up like- like kind of like Denver would be, Denver County Jail, but it’s run way worse. Um, and then the county is worse, so here is better

Clark: Yeah, I mean the cool thing is… there’s a tornad- oh. Jeez. Well the good thing is that, I know you like sto- you wanted to like, look at storm chasing and all that, well Oklahoma’s got a lot of tornadoes, I know that.

Daniel: *laughs * Yeah, I know. Um, unfortunately I won’t be to do that while I’m in custody.

Clark: That’s true, but you should be get- I mean, you’ll get out. I have faith in your lawyer and everything, I mean you’re right, you didn’t have any way of making those threats actually happen, it was just you of- freedom of speech of saying things, and you were stressed.

Daniel: Freedom of speech, right. And I didn’t see even the government really helping. I didn’t see it, and so the fact I even like asked for help so many times-

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Daniel: -on holds, somebody should have done something.

Clark: That- yeah. Instead, everyone was just worried about getting you arrested or trolling when someone like you got the- they failed you, the housing- disabilities failed you, they all just gave up on you I guess.

Daniel: Well, it’s that and I also know that Tina was in contact with disability housing way back, and then I randomly got arrested and they ditched me, they kicked me out for some reason and I think I freaked out because I got randomly got arrested not knowing like, exactly what was going on. I was on a walk and I came home and nobody was there, and the police showed up around the corner and said, “you’re trespassing on private property” and I’m like “uh, no, this is my house” and they went up and, you know how I used to have the karaoke machines?

Clark: *chuckles * Oh yeah, yeah.

Daniel: They were playing the- they were playing my karaoke machine and my music in the garage with the doors closed and everything and they refused to answer for the deputies, you see what I’m saying?

Clark: Yeah, that’s bullshit.

Daniel: But the deputies could hear my music and they were like, “OK, well we have no other option, but there is a warrant for your probation and we’re coming to get you. It’s a PR bond.” They took me, I stayed the night, I got released on the PR bond and went back to the house, and Reva told me, which was my case manager um, at DDRC- told me to go ahead and try to get in because they don’t- they can’t just kick me out. Little did I know, the entire company that the housing people were through, um, not Reva but the entire housing company a day later came forward while I was sleeping on the street night, they came forward and said they had a full-blown restraining order against me.

Clark: Jeez!

Daniel: And I was like, “a restraining order? For what?”

Clark: Yeah, that’s bullshit.

Daniel: Because- and apparently it was because they called in. I was trespassing on private property, and my stuff still is at that house. I was never able to get it.

Clark: Yeah, I mean- oh I guess you talked to Bob. Did he say anything about your mom? Is she OK, or…}

Daniel: So *sighs *, it does sound like my d- my mother is passed away. Um, it does sound like it’s confirmed. Um, I don’t know anything legally as far as it, but um, it does- it, it’s- last I’ve heard from my mother, she was paralyzed as we know, and she was going blind.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: So it was clear that her body over- everything was malfunctioning.

Clark: Yeah, no it-

Daniel: Um, I don’t wanna hold up the phone and, you know, ‘cause it’s costing.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: When I get to Springfield though, the calls are going to back to being free.

Clark: OK, perfect.

Daniel: Um, and I’m- it’s set up like a hospital, but it’s completely, um, I’ll have, pretty much for my understanding almost all day, any time of day I can call, so we can like, set up like, actual times, whatever works best.

Clark: OK. OK. OK, perfect and then is- do you think they have like, video calls there or no?

Daniel: I don’t know, but I will give you permission to come visit.

Clark: OK, OK.

Daniel: Um, I do have to be careful because I mean, just because of your past with you trolling and- I don’t even wanna say you were trolling because I don’t think you were. Um, like I said, I think people are being over judgmental, with very little information just because you were leaking phone calls, I mean- that’s- you’ve already apologized.

Clark: Yeah, exactly.

Daniel: Um, and if you get held accountable for it, I don’t- you know, I’m to a point to where it’s like, I’m not gonna be affected. You see what I mean? That’s on you, I’ve already said that. Um, but I just wanna let you know, I’m doing OK. The only bad thing is I’m starting to get used to being in institutional life.

Clark: Oh yeah.

Daniel: Uh, because I’m in a cell so much, I’m just used to that cell life and that’s the only thing that’s not good right now. That, and of course me and Grace because I’m concerned about that because, like literally I just- we already know I care a lot about her and just, our relationship ad our tour that we were planning. I don’t know why Tina keeps of course, doing this flip-flopping is what I’m calling it at this point, flip-flopping back and forth.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: Um, and I also don’t know why Dave is being so silent about everything. Um, and it-

Clark: Yeah, it’s kind of weird, and I mean in Springfield I think will change your, uh, since you won’t be in a cell there, it’s more of a hospital so maybe you won’t feel as institutionalized.

Daniel: Well I’ll be institutionalized, but it’s gonna be a little different.

Clark: Yeah, yeah. OK

Daniel: Um, it does look like I’m gonna be in custody at least another six months, maybe a little bit more, but I’m to hoping to get-

Automated voice: You have one minute remaining.


Daniel: OK, we only have one minute. But I’m hoping to get out next… like, hopefully within six months to a year. I’m really praying, alright?

Clark: Alright, yeah, we’ll just keep fighting.

Daniel: Yeah, anyways, um, keep me updated if you hear anything else about Grace and what’s going on.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: If you can, let her know what’s going on. Um, I don’t know if you can or not. But I’m gonna go, um, feel free to um, talk to my lawyer if you need anything, OK?

Clark: OK. See you Daniel, stay safe.

Daniel: Alright, bye.


December 23

Daniel called Clark from Cimarron on December 23, 2024. During the call, Clark is in a restroom at a gas station and gets interrupted at the end of the call. [26] This was the second out of two calls that took place in Cimarron.

Transcript

[transcript starts 4 minutes into the call]

Daniel: Hello?

Clark: Hi Daniel.

Daniel: Hey, so I got, um, good news.

Clark: OK, OK, what do- what we got?

Daniel: So yesterday the US Marshals, the Marshals Service, US Marshals were here at the jail.

Clark: Geez!

Daniel: Um, somebody that works for the US Marshals, they answered questions for me and made any issues going on at the jail. Um, any issues with staff at the jail, um, stuff like that. So I told them about the issue with my public defender and how I got deemed incompetent. I just kind of told them, like, I’m having issues with my case, OK? But what they did tell me, ‘cause I told them as well about the, uh, if I’m not in Springfield on the, um, 31st which is exactly what I was told, was I have to be in Springfield, that’s what my public defender said. And then if I’m not, my case will get dropped. The US Marshals Service told me that it’s in the words that I have to be at Springfield because I’m at Oklahoma, um, at Cimarron and I’m, um, also in transfer. If they never said anything about transfer and they’re saying I have to be at Cimarron, or I have to be in Springfield which I’m clearly not, then they will drop my case and they’ve seen this type of thing before. They’re saying my public defender and the prosecutor does not drop my case, that’s a violation of the 4th amendment. I’m not quite sure what the 4th amendment really is without looking up the, all the amendments, but currently…

Clark: I think it’s a cruel and unusual punishment.

Daniel: Yeah, uh, I think because- and then there’s also like, I guess something that has to do with words or something like what people are saying, so it would be going against their word. Even though I’m in transfer, they should have either told me to be in transfer which they never said, and they also said, um, that the US Marshal service told me that I would also have to um, oh my God… if they really want me to be at Springfield, they could have done it this week.

Clark: Yeah. Did you talk to the Marshals about like, your past situations and getting like, trolled in the prison and people like, assaulting you or whatnot?

Daniel: Yes I did, and they said that that should not be going on and that also counts as a cruel and unusual punishment because they are also dropping all the Prius (threats) that I’ve ever put out, they’ve dropped, um, for the harassment and reports that I put in from the correction officers themselves, they’re all getting dropped. Um, and so, the thing is they’re just not caring like they really should, um, and they’re not separating, if anything they should separate. You see what I mean?

Clark: I agree.

Daniel: The- and they’re not even doing that. There’s no resolution, there’s no nothing. But the good news is I told Bob yesterday that we should start going ahead and planning for my release. Um, Bob told me that he is still paying my phone bill.

Clark: That’s good.

Daniel: So, that’s a good sign because I must be getting out soon because he was wanting to be paying my phone bill.

Clark: That’s true, he has hope. He has hope.

Daniel: Right. Um, so, I told him hopefully I’m out in January, I don’t know. Um, but at this point, I don’t think they can continue to hold me because they keep saying they’re dropping the case, they keep saying all this stuff, they’re not doing it so at this point, even the Marshals Service told me it’s cruel and unusual punishment. Um…

Clark: Yeah, why would they take you to Oklahoma for no reason if they weren’t gonna take you to Springfield? That makes no sense.

Daniel: They- what they should’ve done is because I know this is the transfer- because they don’t do direct flights for some stupid reason. I don’t know, but they don’t do direct flights. They should have just planned this earlier. [another inmate laughing] That’s what the US Marshals Service is saying. If they really wanted me in Springfield by the 31st, they would have already planned it before the holidays.

Clark: Geez, OK, OK.

Daniel: Um, and then not only that, um, I decided that because the situation with me and Grace, and what’s going on with that. I’ve kind of decided that we’re going because Grace said that we were engaged and um, that was before I got arrested. We were looking at houses, I’ve decided once I get out, I’m going to try to just leave off where- or start off again where we left off. I’m just gonna start looking at houses again and um, the money that I have saved so far, I’m just going to throw towards the apartment or whatever. I’m just gonna- I’m gonna worry about that within the first month.

Clark: I mean, I- that’s smart, but at the same time I thought the VanderWaals want nothing right now, and you’re gonna have to get back on their good side, ‘cause I don’t think- I think talking about them is just making the courts and everything mad because they think you’re crazy and that the-

Daniel: Right- to be honest, I really don’t care about what the courts think about me and Grace right now. I really don’t.

Clark: OK.

Daniel: Because, like, they don’t have a say. They’re not really and… [cuts out]

Clark: So… hello?

Daniel: Yup, the Grace situation is not actually in my charges, nothing. I was never given a restraining order form, because there’s no restraining order. What- when I was at court on the very first hearing that I had on my arraignment, they- the judge even said that like, “I don’t care about the VanderWaals.” Like he straight up said that.

Clark: Well, I mean, in other news, did you learn in jail about that um, that hitman that killed that CEO in New York?

Daniel: I did, I did and that is scary.

Clark: Yeah, that’s like the- probably why some big news going around.

Daniel: But also, like I said, I’m deciding I’m just gonna worry about what- like, trying to get out as soon as possible. And my plan is to, like Bob is saying I need somewhere to be. Um, I’m aware of that, I don’t know if the VanderWaals will just meet me at the jail and I will just do whatever they want because I want to focus on me and Grace, and not only that, um, but as well as like what’s going on with the…

Clark: * mutes his mic, to viewers as Daniel continues speaking* Clark, saying I try every time to tell him that Grace is fake. He doesn’t listen. He doesn’t. *unmutes *

Daniel: Um, if I get released and then they’re wanting to hold off for the time being, until I get the apartment, then my best odds is just to try to get out and get the apartment.

Clark: Yeah, no, I mean they- obviously that or a halfway house because they might force you to go to a half-

Daniel: Well, well, here’s another thing. I would have to plead to a deal, like a plea deal to go to a halfway house. And I don’t think that they want to, per the VanderWaals they would want me to plead guilty because I would be pleading guilty to a felony.

Clark: For… I mean I honestly-

Daniel: And if Grace is saying and Tina is saying that like, they don’t want me in and out of jail then it would be best to just try to resolve everything.

Clark: Yeah, but at the same time it’s probably, you gotta focus on yourself too. I get what you’re saying but, I mean, so how are you doing in the Oklahoma Cimarron? Is the food- do they serve food? Do you get to go outside or anything?

Daniel: Right, and I wish I could talk to Tina, I wish I could talk to Grace, I don’t know if that’s something that they are, would be up to at this point. Um, I have no way to check right now, um, but I’m clearly um, wanting to try to figure out that stuff.

Clarkl: Yeah, I mean I can't really help with that right now, ‘cause I don’t have contact either and I pretty much haven’t talked to Bob or anything either, and I don’t want to get everything mixed up, I’m just worried about-

Daniel: Well, yeah, and another thing I don’t get is why everybody is saying that the relationship, the relationship with Grace was never a thing when in my legal discovery I think every single lie from Bob, from like, my biological father, from Dave, from Tina and Grace, including frickin’ *unintelligible *. So I can see every single lie that I- before I even met Grace.

Clark: There were a lot of lies. I mean, there were a lot of lies, so I mean that’s probably why people are trying to doubt it.

Daniel: They’re just trying to- I mean at this point, what the court system is trying to do is they’re trying to sabotage my career, and they’re trying to sabotage my relationship with Grace because they’ve already- I mean they already said I’m the victim and that means from my public defender, and they also said that like, my case should be dropped.

Clark: Dude, I mean I agree that your case should end up being dropped. Uh, also at the old jail, did you ever meet that Jared Fogle?

Woman: *walks into bathroom * Griffin, get your ass out here.

Clark: Oh- *hangs up *

December 25

Clark called Daniel on Christmas Day. Daniel had moved to Grady County Detention Center the previous day. [27]

Transcript

Automated voice: …connect this call. Your current account balance is, call, dial 1… to reject this call *Clark presses 1 * Charges for your call have been accepted. This call is subject to being recorded or monitored except for privileged calls between attorney and client.

Daniel: Hello?

Clark: Hello? Hello, Daniel?

Daniel: Hey, how are you?

Clark: Merry Christmas, pretty good!

Daniel: Merry Christmas to you. So, I have emergency news.

Clark: Uh oh, is it good or…

Daniel: No. So I am at Turkisha (Chickasha), Oklahoma.

Clark: Jeez.

Daniel: In a stupid county jail. They fucking moved me from the place I was at to here with no date on when I’m supposed to be moving, no information, nothing.

Clark: That makes no sense.

Daniel: And my- yeah, discovery and the VanderWaals and apparently the relationship. But he will not talk about anything until I’m out of jail, and he is denying contact with Bob. Bob on the other hand is denying contact with you, the VanderWaals and my father, my biological father Travis Larson.

Clark: Jeez, this is a whole mess! I just don’t- why did they move to Grady County Jail? That makes no sense, you were already in Oklahoma!

Daniel: Right, and I’m less than like, an hour away. Like, everything is useless and not only that, everybody now is just denying contact with everyone whatsoever, and my legal discovery says otherwise, so there is some undercover something going on. There’s contact going on they don’t want me to know about.

Clark: I mean, I completely-

Daniel: And I call bullshit.

Clark: No, I agree. That makes no sense and the fact is they were supposed to, they’re supposed to have you in Springfield by January 1st, and if they don’t, you were supposed to be released, but now they’re trying to do some twisted things and move you all around Oklahoma and now you’re-

Daniel: Right, they’re trying to do some sketchy shit and they’re- sketchy things and unfortunately I am calling manipulation. I think that they are just trying to manipulate everything at this point and they’re just trying to do sketchy stuff, just like what you’re saying.

Clark: And I mean, and I kind of did a little bit of research on the jail you’re in right now, and it’s even- it’s probably the worst one you’ve ever been in. I mean, just based on what I was reading online as it’s one of the worst.

Daniel: It’s one of the worst, yes, that is true. There’s nothing. I’m in the cell with no books, nothing to read, nothing. Literally nothing but a 23 hour lockdown.

Clark: Yes, that’s weird ‘cause 20, yeah, 23 hour lockdown. There’s even like, that famous uh, Tiger King guys in your jail apparently. That Joe Exotic guy.

Daniel: I don’t even know, but yeah. Um, also my father is saying as soon as I get out of jail, I need to contact him ‘cause he’s got information, but he will not speak to me while I’m in jail.

Clark: That’s- that’s rude.

Daniel: And he was complaining- he was complaining about $10 for a phone call, and Bob is still on and off doing the same thing.

Clark: Yeah, I mean I wasn’t- I’m not complaining about it, I just had to set up an account on that website and of course your county won’t let you do messages, video calls, the only thing you can do is this, is apparently what I found out. Like, they have nothing. I mean, you’re in a terrible place.

Daniel: They- yes. Yes, I know. But all I can say is if I’m not at Springfield at the medical place by the 31st, on January 1st my case needs to get dropped because otherwise it’s gonna be manipulation and that means I can turn everything into manipulation as well, and then they really won’t have the case.

Clark: No, I agree. I mean, it really doesn’t make sense legally. I’ve even talked to some people in the legal standpoint, they just- they don’t understand. They say, if you’re deemed incompetent then why aren’t you somewhere where you can become competent, you know? It doesn’t make any sense. They’re just keeping in a random jail in the middle of Oklahoma and thinking you’re gonna get better, that makes no sense.

Daniel: Right, and then also, I guess to go along with that, also kind of ridiculous but I do have some more information about my, um, oh my God, what was I gonna say real quick? Hold on. Um, about my competency bullshit.

Clark: OK, OK.

Daniel: Springfield is supposed to be competency restoration program. I was deemed um, incompetent because Grace ordered, from my understanding Grace ordered the mental health evaluation. The mental health evaluation was supposed to get done in Englewood, OK?

Clark: Yes, yeah.

Daniel: And somewhere along the line they deemed me incompetent to withstand trial. Those are two separate things.

Clark: Yeah, you’re right.

Daniel: Those are two separate things, and not only that issue, but then I found out that they were saying that my relationship was not real with Grace, when I first got arrested my public defender said that after the 45 days at Englewood, then I would go to a competency hearing. At that competency hearing, if they deem me incompetent my case gets dropped, but if I am incompetent and my case gets dropped, they can order me to go to a medical facility in the BOP like Springfield for 4 months.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: Then apparently they did the competency evaluation without me, OK? My legal discovery on my indictment, it straight up says that um, I was, apparently they’re claiming that some higher company or like, I am a employee of another company meaning that this other company or whatever company is, is being held accountable for my actions.

Clark: Weird…

Daniel: Which is weird because unless Bob or my father signed the contract, you see what I’m saying? Behind my back, then there would be no contract ever signed, unless verbal.

Clark: Yeah, no I don’t think-

Daniel: And unfortunately there is no such thing as verbal unless just the relationship.

Clark: Yeah, no I’m pretty- you have, you should be have a full ownership over I mean, yourself and everything. Like, you’re your own adult.

Daniel: Right, exactly and for some reason, they’re saying that that is not true, they’re calling me a liar and my legal discovery is acting like I like Tina or somebody, Grace has legal guardianship over me which is very very suspicious.

Clark: What the… yeah, that I mean…

Daniel: And it doesn’t say that, but it says that I am a, uh, what’s the word, um, for, like an employee of a company breaking the law under a…

Clark: I don’t know.

Daniel: It’s got a name for it, but yeah, um that’s what it says.

Clark: Jeez! I mean, that- everything just seems like a whole suspicious active case and…

Daniel: It’s very very suspicious and if anything, it should be that I am a company.

Clark: No, no.

Daniel: And they’ve already found me the victim, but yet they’re just throwing me across country in all these stupid jails like it’s a joke, and I also found one of the people that works here at this jail was one of the people that met up with me that went to Oklahoma State University.

Clark: Dang, and I’m confused. You said you were-

Daniel: One of the people that was shooting off the fireworks in the parking lot works at this jail.

Clark: Gee, I mean that..

Daniel: So something crazy is going on.

Clark: Wait, you said you were on a 23-hour hold but you were calling earlier so do you phone in, like you’re able to access or how does that work?

Daniel: No, so just because of Christmas they’re giving me [cuts out for a second], ‘cause they don’t do like any like extra anything, so they’re just being nice to me.

Clark: Oh. Oh, OK, what did they feed for Christmas? Anything good or…

Daniel: Absolutely nothing!

Clark: *chuckles * What? There’s no…

Daniel: And Bob just, I mean is being kind of a jerk about everything. He’s like, I need to change behavior around, I need to change myself around and I’m like, dude, like how am I supposed to do that when you kept me homeless when even my father says that you, meaning my dad- my mentor Bob was straight up being the issue all along.

Clark: Yeah, I mean, I can’t believe that..

Daniel: *chuckles * It’s ridiculous at this point!

Clark: I mean, I’m just glad that Nicholas dude is gone too, because I don’t know. He might be arrested, I’m not sure what happened to him.

Daniel: I don’t- I have no clue. He was just acting kind of weird, he was helpful but I mean, there was some suspicious stuff going on there.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: And also, Bob told me he blocked you.

Clark: Oh, well that probably is the reason why he doesn’t answer any of my texts. *chuckles *

Daniel: Yeah, I don’t know. *laughs * But I don’t want to hold you up on the phone, um, I do wanna ask you so, the relationship with Grace is real, that’s what we know, right?

Clark: OK. That’s what I kn- I mean, if that’s… I don’t know, honestly I don’t know, Daniel. Because I thought it was too, but I don’t know at this point.

Daniel: Right, I thought it was too and then there’s evidence to say that it was and I guess as far as Tina is concerned, I keep being told that she is concerned about future issues. I am too, but at the same time I also don’t know why they’re not like, there’s no proof that they’re helping and why I’m getting mixed information from my public defender.

Clark: Oh and she… yeah… it’s crazy because Grace just- like I randomly saw my TV, she was just did some performance on like Kennedy show and like Obama even spoke at it, and there was like a TikTok clip and the top comment was literally about Daniel Larson. You were the top comment.

Daniel: What did it say?

Clark: It said like, “isn’t this who’s dating Daniel Larson?” and it had the most likes out of all the comments.

Daniel: Weird, ‘cause I keep being told by all the correction officers that I am on high security.

Clark: Jeez!

Daniel: Like, they’re-

[video cuts]

Daniel: They’ve been separating me in a cell by myself.

Clark: Yeah, they- you’re definitely…

Automated voice: This call will be terminated in two minutes.

Daniel: They did that without warning and I didn’t know why. But if Grace is going public about everything all of a sudden and even she’s talking about or, secretly sending messages about messages about me, this is getting weird.

Clark: Yeah, I just don’t get why they moved you.

Daniel: Like, I just want things to move forward at this point. I’m getting tired of it. *coughs *

Clark: No, and I would be too if I were you. I mean basically we have to see what happens in the next three or four days. It’s give or go at this point, they have to move you. If they don’t move you, I don’t know.

Daniel: They have to move me, they would have to move me before New Year’s Eve.

Clark: Yeah.

Daniel: Because there’s no bus, there’s no transportation on New Year’s Eve, New Year’s Day and then they’re off from my understanding a couple days, and then if my case gets dropped-

Automated: This call will be terminated in one minute.

Daniel: Then I would just be on my way back to Denver.

List of letters

October 2024

October 3 Letter

On October 3, 2024, Lil Sippy received a letter from Daniel.

This letter is notable for its first page being completely normal, and its second being bizarrely sexual. It is unclear if this letter is completely legitimate, but calls with Daniel and Lil Sippy point to it being real.

  • Gallery

October 21 Email

On October 21, 2024, Daniel emailed Lil Sippy from jail, with the subject being "case dropped." [28] The email contains nothing of note, and is mostly just delusional ramblings.

November 2024

November 16 Email Replies

On November 16, 2024, Daniel sent a reply to Lil Sippy about voting, saying: [29]

Shortly after, under delusion that Grace is cheating on him for Clark, Daniel replied to another email from Lil Sippy.

November 17 Email

On November 17, 2024, Daniel sent another email to Lil Sippy from jail, with the subject being "issue". Like the October email, it is mostly delusional ramblings about Grace and Tina trying to help him get out, and how he is not getting transferred to Springfield. [30]


November 18 Emails

Daniel emailed Lil Sippy for the third day in a row, on the morning of November 18, 2024. The subject was "case closed", and is more delusional ramblings. [31]

The same day, he sent an email with the subject "mental health". [32]

December 2024

December 6 Emails

Daniel emailed Lil Sippy 14 times on December 6, 2024, where he revealed that he will be transferred to Springfield. [33] The subject for the emails were "what's going on????"

December 8 Emails

Daniel emailed Lil Sippy again on December 8, 2024, with the subject "sis". [34]

The next email had the subject "lies".

The third email he asks for a pardon from Biden, with the subject being respective.

External Links

Second Jail Arc
The Players: The Events:


References

  1. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DAIS-Dv8eY
  2. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1ci5r01/update_its_most_likely_all_over_folks/
  3. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPaIJ0gQjc
  4. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=417CiWbaOuk
  5. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbOd8wmQYI
  6. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbeJFIdxce4
  7. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7iJp9Yy4I
  8. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G27l34IL6Y0
  9. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJP57EdTpI8
  10. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar_ffGKM9HA
  11. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NcHFjOguw
  12. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1grlo64/november_12/?share_id=ZyzmL79_Iu5aOpcgpIv8m&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1&rdt=32995
  13. ↑ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UwM1BvnnzXg
  14. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqtVPW_neN4
  15. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7awQQyoggZQ
  16. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1gvfg6m/nicholas_has_been_using_ai_to_get_daniel_on_his/
  17. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H45kVcfggA
  18. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxf5X8W7wxnNejG_X96XlAaSuJUVMfiGH_
  19. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G3dVhQfbo4
  20. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrnSQkYFaXk
  21. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lai2erkXqs
  22. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg-yJmxwdD8
  23. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPkdNSFkNcE&pp=ygUKZmxleGJ1cmdlcg%3D%3D
  24. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LNKTOJBPgo
  25. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vkoj63NiHM
  26. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf8UEbPKyKA
  27. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbRffLa5lUs
  28. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prvklwNPKjU
  29. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx7pyJGRso_GCu7CoqoXF9k7hbG6MvBhYm
  30. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1gtmifr/recent_emails_for_prison/
  31. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1guh8ok/new_jail_emails_same_stuff_as_usual/
  32. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqetOXwIDoxRbELMOMPZRA/community?lb=UgkxtB4Z04prTvedg35gY0abQDfHjRzUU5WR
  33. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxAwR3YxwHBpqP0n8R2TIH5mj9J8HOB_UC
  34. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxubCfLXiJl2QMBKhSgGn4l2W41JbzqV05
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