October 7th Jail Calls

On October 7, 2024, Daniel called Lil Sippy twice, someone who had gained contact with him in mysterious ways.  This is the first phone call that does not feature Clark.

In the first call, Daniel explains he had lacked communication with his lawyer since August. Lil Sippy informs him about a new document that stated Daniel may be moved to Springfield by December. Additionally, Daniel, under delusion, expresses frustration about his family's lack of support, worrying a felony conviction might limit his ability maintain his imaginary relationship with Grace VanderWaal.

The second call reveals that, despite being institutionalized, Daniel seems significantly more delusional. He claims that Trump has asked him to become vice president, that Grace's songs were about him, among many other delusions.

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Automated voice: ...call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now. Lil Sippy: Hi, Daniel! Daniel: Hello, this is Daniel Larson. Lil Sippy: What's going on Daniel, how you doing man? Daniel: Hi, um... I'm doing OK, my- my lawyer hasn't been getting back to me at all. I haven't spoken to him since early August. Lil Sippy: OK, I got- um, I saw, I was looking on PACER and the prosecution has filed a new uh, thing in your case, a new document in your case that says you'll probably be in Springfield by uh, December. Daniel: Yes, that is correct. [video cuts] Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: Um, and also, my lawyer for some reason has been, like the last time I talked to him, which was early August, right? He told me that I was never in contact with the VanderWaals or the label which is false. Lil Sippy: You said- Daniel: Because I was in contact with Grace before, and her mother. Lil Sippy: So you said that there's... you- something in your discovery for your legal cases confirmed that you were talking to the VanderWaals or something? Daniel: Yes. Lil Sippy: OK, yup. Daniel: Um, it's- it's confirmed and there's even conversations in my legal discovery over social media where Tina HAS admitted to talking with me which is true, where she's told me to stop listening to the trolls. The issue is, well, I was homeless right? I had to make my own living. I had to try to survive, and it became a survival thing where I was trying to like, literally stay alive and my family, my OWN family, was manipulating financials, they were telling me to cut ties with Tina and I accidentally blocked the real Tina, not the impersonators, I accidentally blocked the real Tina and I lost contact altogether. When I tried to regain contact, I couldn't. You see what I mean? Lil Sippy: Yeah, what- what people- Daniel: So... Lil Sippy: So, what? Daniel: The big issue is, so Tina wanted me to cut ties with Grace and stop talking to the impersonators, and only talk to Grace. And what Grace was doing was she was getting me in contact with her management, behind Grace- or behind Tina's back, and so Grace got me in contact with EVERYBODY, you see what I mean? Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: And then, somewhere along the line when Tina found out, because I reported it to Tina that Grace was actually in contact. Once Tina, Grace's mother, found out, then... Tina started having full-time contact with me. Lil Sippy: Wow, OK. Daniel: And then, they were saying that I needed to have, I needed to have five songs, an EP before I can get the label deal, which is supposed to be $35 million, or $36 million. It was supposed to be record-breaking, I think record-breaking record deal for 2023, but my family kept saying it was fake and wasn't real. And I tried to get help, that's why I was going on the M1 holds, OK? Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: The M1 holds were calling- everybody at the hospitals were calling my family, telling them they needed to get me housing. They refused, and I was put right back on the streets... Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: While all this was going on, law enforcement got involved and started telling me I was not in contact with Tina and to block Tina again, and it became like a- it became a war of who I was in contact with. And so, I made the threats which is why I'm here in prison, in jail. I made the threats to try and put an end to everything and drag everybody into the situation so I can handle things legally. Lil Sippy: Yeah, I know there, th- uh, you were emailing me last night talking about when you're going to have a trial. You do understand that you have to like, they've, they've said you're incompetend to stand trial and they'll probably hold you until you're competent. You gotta kinda put on an a- if I were you, I'd kind of try to put on an act and you know, act as normal as possible to try the, um... for the psychiatrist to say that you're competent so you can just go ahead and take a plea deal and get out because- Daniel: *interrupts* Yes, which is actually weird because I... nobody's telling me why I'm incompetent. Like, nobody has been telling me anything, they've been saying that I've been doing things very well and I shouldn't even be in custody. That's the word from the jail, that's the psychiatry here at the jail. Lil Sippy: Do you have any- do you have any idea how long you'll be in Springfield? Are they going to hold you indefinitely until they say you're competent or what? Daniel: That's what my lawyer is shooting for... is, he's saying that they're gonna try to make me compentent. I never even what Grace was even saying behind the scenes, if that makes sense. So I don't know, I- I figured that Tina was going to try to- Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel: I figured that Tina was going to try to stop Grace from having contact with me. Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: And, I don't- I don't know why, you know? Lil Sippy: Well just, just as- you should probably just not mention Grace or Tina to any of the psychiatrists because I don't think that's really going to help your case trying to get- Daniel: I don't think it's helping either. Lil Sippy: Yeah... Daniel:Like, I- I asked my lawyer for verification on if it was really the real Tina. Lil Sippy: And he said no? Daniel: And- and he said no... Lil Sippy: Oh, OK. Daniel: ...which is weird because it's confirmed that yes, it was actually THEM, and I'm not saying that there was a fake involved but what I'm saying is that I was definitely at one point in contact, you see what I'm saying? Lil Sippy: Yeah, so- Daniel: And, and that's what I needed to clarify. Now that I've clarified that, no I'm concerned about how I can make things better, and everybody else is just going backwards. [video cuts]] Lil Sippy: ...say on the the phone, 'cause they could get you in trouble. I'm gonna send you that- the, have you got the most recent document that was filed in your case? The prosecutions document, I got it packed up and I was gonna send it to you if you haven't already seen it. Daniel: I- I do not. I- I do have my legal discovery from before I got arrested, but everything after, like conversations and everything after I got arrested, I don't have information on, so I don't know what is being said, now that I'm arrested. Lil Sippy: OK, so you don't have any of the new documents that have been filed. I'm gonna- I- I already have the one packed up to- to uh, send to you, the... the most recent one filed by the prosecution that kind of details the timeline of when you're gonna go to Springfield, but what I want for you is I want you to get out and I don't want you to sit in Springfield indefinitely. So, you know, there's the old saying, you fake it till you make it, you just gotta- you know, realize what make you sound crazy and not say that, and just fake, you know, fake it until you can be found competent and then you know, just take a plea deal and- you've already sat for a long time, they'll probably just give you time served. Daniel: Right, and my big fear is, I'm afraid that I'm going to have to plead guilty, because the thing is, if I plead guilty, then I don't think I can be with Grace. I think that's, that's what... Lil Sippy: Well, if you- why do you think that? If you plead guilty, you might be able to get just time served. You might just might be able to get out, but you have to be found competent before you can plead guilty is what I'm saying. Daniel: Right, and *coughs* I'm not saying I'm gonna be facing a long time or anything, but I would plead guilty to a felony because I'm in the feds. You see what I'm saying? Lil Sippy: Yeah, but how does that- how does it affect- Daniel: And, Grace- Grace wants me to travel with her. She goes to London all the time, she goes to Paris, and there are certain countries if I have a felony, I cannot go to, and Grace has friends in those countries. Lil Sippy: Yeah, there's certain countries. Yeah, I think you can go to London, I think the only main country you can't go with no felony is, uh, is like Canada, um... Daniel: And Canada is a big one, I think her label's out of Canada, Columbia Records. Lil Sippy: So, if you uh... Daniel: I think it's out of Canada. Lil Sippy: So if you do... Daniel: But there would be conflict there. Lil Sippy: So if you do end up, um, like, being found competent, you're going to try to go to trial, and- and beat the uh- get a not guilty verdict on the allegations? Daniel: That's what we're trying, and my lawyer has told me that we're trying to get a not guilty. He's- he, he thinks I'm a victim of the case. Lil Sippy: OK. So... Daniel: As far as trying to make everything work with the VanderWaals, that's what I'm concerned about now. Because I told my lawyer, I'm not going to plead guilty and I'm not gonna even make a decision until I know what's going on with Grace, and unfortunately, the way things are going with my family, and the way things are going in my life at this time, I'm thinking about just cutting ties for my safety, with my family for the time being. Lil Sippy: With, with Bob, with Bob and them? Daniel: Um... yeah, because Bob is not helping when I was on the streets, I don't believe he will help once I get out, I don't think he cares about my career, um, same thing with my biological dad, and I think as far as my career goes, and legal stuff when it comes to my publicity, I think that the VanderWaals are can- Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel: ...the VanderWaals and her label could definitely help with that and keep me safe, and I know how publicifity (publicity)... Lil Sippy: OK, you just gotta- you gotta that there's, there's a lot of trolls who pretend to be Bob, so, you know, are you actually talking to the real Bob, or are you just talking to the trolls that wanna mess with you and pretend to be Bob. Daniel: I'm talking to the real Bob. Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: Um, it's verified with my lawyer and I even, um, know his a-home address, so. Lil Sippy: And he's not trying to help you? Daniel: He's not. Like, he's- he thought that Grace was fake all along, and that I was never in contact. Lil Sippy: OK. Are you still friends with Clark? Daniel: I'm- I'm trying to be friends with Clark, but he's flip-flopping on a lot of information. Lil Sippy: Yeah, I guess the feds are investigating him too and came to his work. I wouldn't care if the feds investigate me, they already are, but, yeah I guess he's being scaredy, but- yeah, I, so I... Daniel: But, yeah, but I don't care about the feds too, I'm not scared of them. Like I said, I'm more scared from a legal perspective of trying to make everything work, because I made the threats because I wanted things to work, and I was aware of all the drama and the trolls, and I needed security, because I should have had security all along, especially bodyguards. Fans were like, actually coming up to me in person, so, so, what am I gonna do once I get out? *laughs* Lil Sippy: Yeah, I know you've been dealing with a lot of harassment. Yeah, lot of harassment, but, um, you don't have any, any- any re- idea when you'll be out? Daniel: I don't. My lawyer is saying, last I heard, that I'm going for four months and if I get found competent, then I'm going to trial. Lil Sippy: OK good. Daniel: So, he said my trial could be sometime next year, but this is the first time I've heard of Tina trying to stop Grace, and I would like to know more information on that, but I am concerned that things aren't gonna work out, because I also know that most of Grace's songs are about me. I've been listening to a lot of her songs, so. Lil Sippy: OK, yeah. Well I- Daniel: But anyways, I gotta go, um... Lil Sippy: Yeah, I'm gonna esnd you- I'm gonna send you that paperwork. I already sent you some pictures of Billie Eilish, Bhad Bhabie, and Flo Milli, and actually, today the pictures of Grace and JoJo, and Emma came so I'm gonna get those to you too, and uh- uh, you still on 23 and 1, on PC? Daniel: Yeah, I'm still in PC. Lil Sippy: OK, you gonna call back? Daniel: I'm gonna call back, yeah. Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: Alright, bye. Lil Sippy: Bye *Daniel hangs up*

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*Lil Sippy's phone rings and he accepts* Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now. Lil Sippy: Hello? Daniel: Hello? Lil Sippy: What's up? Daniel: Hey, so- um, I called back. Lil Sippy: Hey! Yeah. Daniel: Anyways, um, what I was going to also- 'cause my lawyer, like I said, is not getting back to me at all, so I don't know what's really going on with the case or anything like that. Um, but... *sighs* my... I guess family friend, his name is Bob, who I've talked about on my media a lot. He was paying for a bunch of hotel rooms, right? And when... *sighs* So like, he's manipulating, right, a lot of my finances which is why I was homeless, and... um, he was also trying to control like, everything I did, um, as far as the type of music, um... I wanted to do, uhh- which I did... like... the types of songs that I want to do but like, some lyrics he wouldn't want me to put in, whatever. And it kind of... all this issues that I'm in is partially because of him. *chuckles* Like, um, it's been confirmed that I am the victim in the case, and um, at this point, I'm waiting on further information as to like what's going to happen with the case. I don't know why Tina is so angry, or upset, at Grace trying to admit that like, she's in love with me and how she's been in contact... um, which yes, I did make the threats and I admit to that. I've already admitted to it so it's no big deal, but I wanted to make it clear that yes, I was in contact and I want to make sure that like... [video cuts] Daniel: ...because I've already talked to Clark about it, um, because it is causing issues. And, um... I've stopped contact with trolls and I wanna make that clear. Anybody who's trolling, I have to cut ties. Uh... Lil Sippy: Yeah, what- what have the trolls been trying to say? Is- are the trolls just basically saying that you're not in contact with Grace, she doesn't want you, and all that? Daniel: Yeah, they've been trying to say that I'm not in contact, including like, law enforcement. Law enforcement, including my lawyer has been trying to turn me against Grace. Lil Sippy: Wow. Daniel: Yeah, so my own public defender is on purpose trying to turn me against Grace, and trying to say that I'm not in contact when I've been fighting my case, like arguing over the phone with my public defender like, "Look, I HAVE been in contact and I don't care what you're saying because my legal discovery proves." And I'm going based off my legal discovery, and it's actually shocking that I hear that Grace was live and that Tina told her stop, because she needs to get it heard. You know, Grace, if she cares about me, she needs to speak up. Lil Sippy: Yeah, I understand. Um, so- so with PC, do you get, uh, I don't know, one hour out of the cell a day, are you on 23 and 1? Daniel: No, so, um... *sighs* I'm gonna be honest about this, I'm out, like anytime, but there's no time frame. Lil Sippy: Oh. Daniel: So like, no- like... I could be out today at this time, and tomorrow I might not get out at all, I could be out all day or I could be out just morning for like an hour, or afternoon for an hour, or even 30 minutes. Lil Sippy: Do they have- do they- do you get- Daniel: Last week, I was on lockdown for 100 hours straight without getting out. Lil Sippy: Do... do they have, uh, tablets or anything for you? Daniel: They have tablets, but you have to buy them, so I went ahead and bought it for $150. Lil Sippy: OK, that's good. Daniel: So at least, AT LEAST I have that, which I had to lie about to my family just to get them to put money on my books for it, because they wouldn't do it otherwise. Um- but, I been at least having that, but like- Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel: Like I said, I was on, last week, every single day last week, on lockdown all day long. I never once got out of my six foot cell. All week. Lil Sippy: You, uh- you, you got a, do you have a cellie though? Daniel: I have a cellie, and he's great. Um, it's- he sleeps during the day, so I'm kind of by myself, but... Lil Sippy: Does he know you're famous? Daniel: He does, yes. Lil Sippy: Oh, OK. Daniel: And he also knows that, like he apparently knows uh... Grace because he watched America's Got Talent. Lil Sippy: Oh, wow. Daniel: One of the bigger issues that's been going on here at the jail is a lot of these correction officers, they follow me on social media. Lil Sippy: Wow. Daniel: So there's issues going on at the jail just because I'm so famous, and people don't want to admit that I'm famous. That's another thing. Lil Sippy: What are- what are the issues? Daniel: Well apparently, the um- there was camera footage from inside the jail, from inside the jail unit leaked on the internet... Lil Sippy: Wow. Daniel: ...and my lawyer adm- like, my public defender admitted to like, actually... this- like watching the livestream. Like, he didn't care. Like he was like, hey, I'm watching your livestream right now of you in jail, and I'm like, what the fuck? Lil Sippy: That is. Daniel: Like, you're not caring about my case, and you're just watching the live stream? Like what? Lil Sippy: That's crazy. Daniel: And then, um, apparently what I- so what I do know is Grace ordered the psych eval. Lil Sippy: Wow. It wasn't the judge? Daniel: So, Grace is the one who ordered it. It wasn't the judge. Grace apparently... well, Tina got notified that I got arrested. *chuckles* So... Lil Sippy: So Grace is involved in the court case now? Daniel: She's apparently choosing to be involved and her mother, I guess now trying to take a step back, like, oh, we shouldn't involved, it's too much, but the thing is, they've kind of exposed themselves for being in contact. Lil Sippy: Huh. Daniel: And, my own family is like, well, we want things to work out, we- we want you to be with Grace, we didn't know you were, we thought you were lying, and now I'm kind of the monkey in the middle. Lil Sippy: I understand that. Daniel: It's very crazy, and... like, I could see that Grace- well, Tina is upset that I made the threats, but I couldn't just let things escalate further. Lil Sippy: You had to make the threats to get uh, attention and help? Daniel: *sighs* Not- not attention, but I had to...} Lil Sippy: Call attention to your problems? Daniel: Y- y... yeah, and I guess, put a stop to everything, to where it's like, really- you know like, I'm gonna sacrifice my life for this relationship to work. Because I'm tired of all the drama and trolls, I need to know the truth so we can make things work. That's my mind was thinking. Lil Sippy: Well, that- the- the rel- Grace is, uh, your relationship with Grace, is that important to you? Daniel: That- it's that important, that like, I would sacrifice my career for it and I don't think that Tina sees that. Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: Um, and that was my mindset, and... Lil Sippy: So why does- why does Tina hate you so much? What is her problem? Daniel: Well, *sighs* Grace and I, right? Even though she was 18, we always, um... Grace would call me at work while she was on the job. OK, Grace would call me, um, I don't know what was going on, I don't know how it was affecting her job or what. I know that there were issues with the label, *sighs* um... just, you know, because I couldn't verify I was in contact. There was a lot of things going on as far as verifying it was really them. Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: Um, Grace would say that like, she couldn't verify because the label wouldn't let her and then she was like, well the label doesn't want me to be in contact but I'm choosing to be in contact anyways, because I love you. And she would also speak in like, an actual British accent, which she admits- Lil Sippy: Is she British? Daniel: She admits in one of her songs. Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Lil Sippy: Oh, wow. OK. Daniel: Yeah, so like, I knew that 'cause I was listening to her music long before I was even in jail, knowing things because she was leaking it- like leaking information in all of her songs. Um... Lil Sippy: You said her songs were about you? Daniel: Her songs, like, like if you really listen to it, Lion's Den, Daniel and the Lion's Den, if you know the bible? Lil Sippy: Yeah. It's not about the Bible, it's about you?? Daniel: And... it's apparently about me and um, Grace also told me because when I was younger, I had a leaked... well there was like a video I didn't know that was recorded while I was in the restroom, in the shower, and it got leaked online... Lil Sippy: From the jail? Daniel: And, Grace is- no just at my own house. Lil Sippy: Oh, OK. Daniel: Um, foster. And it got leaked on the internet, and from my understanding, Grace made the music video which she was trying to make it clear that yes, I was in contact and knew about it. And then, Grace also was like, you know, was like, I want a man who can shower. She wanted to make sure I showered, so I do believe that Grace was a big factor in a lot of it, and a lot of my publicity, and um... I'm not 100% sure if it was an impersonator, but I know that like, it got to a point where she was demanding, just pretty much, me go live anytime really, just because we needed the publicity so I could get off the streets. Um, and then... [video cuts] Daniel: ...which didn't help my mental health. Lil Sippy: So what was it that you emailed me about, um, you said something like Joe Biden wants you to be vice president or, so he can *unintelligible*? Daniel: Yeah, so apparently, I- *groans* I'm still learning this, but one of the correction officers came up to me at the jail and talked to me about how uh, Donald Trump wanted me to be his vice president, because if he becomes president and I'm vice president, he can make it legal for me to be vice president at my age. Lil Sippy: Wow, so, so- Daniel: Similar to what he's doing with his felony thing that he had. He can make it legal. Lil Sippy: Has... so is that, has it hit the news? Is that on the news that he wants you as vice president? Daniel: I don't know, but I've had one of the correction officers come up to me talking about it, how they heard about it on the news. Lil Sippy: Wow. Daniel: And I said, I denied it. I didn't want to because I knew that it would be too much at the time 'cause this was back in 2023 when he was first starting his campaign. Lil Sippy: You think you could handle... do you think you could handle being vice president now? Daniel: *sighs* I... if I knew a lot of information, yes, but the thing is, I've learned over time, just with my current case that I'm facing, I don't always know a lot of information, so I have to investigate things myself. I have to make a lot of guesses whether it's right or wrong, wrong. Lil Sippy: But being vice president would get you out of jail, wouldn't it? Daniel: It would get me out of jail. Lil Sippy: Yeah, OK. Daniel: But, the thing is I just... I can't, you know, like- *sighs Lil Sippy: As far as... Daniel: I'm kind of in a situation where I'm kind of, you know, finding out that almost everything was true, but anyways, *sighs again* time's almost up. I will try to call to call you when I can. Uh.. Lil Sippy: Maybe tomorrow? You think you'll be able to call me tomorrow? Daniel: Yeah, I can. Lil Sippy: OK, thank you. Yeah, uh, um, I'll get those uh, pictures sent off to you. Who are you gonna vote for this year though? Trump or Kamala? Daniel: I.. I'm not voting because I am in custody. I can't They're not doing it. Lil Sippy: OK, um, but yeah. Talk to you soon, man. Stay calm. Daniel: Alright. Alrigh- [time runs out and call terminates]