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{{Doxxing|notperson}} | {{Doxxing|notperson}}{{CW}}[[File:Daniel Dog.jpg|thumb|An image of Music from the Longmont Humane Society's Facebook page.|375x375px|left]]On July 9, 2023, [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]] adopted a dog from [https://www.longmonthumane.org Longmont Humane Society] in Longmont, Colorado, naming her Music (formerly Zola). Daniel's reasoning for adopting this dog was his want for "security". He repeatadly claimed Music to be a "guard dog", when all the dog was, in fact, a regular housepet. Daniel's announcement of the adoption sparked intense outrage in the [[R/Daniellarson|Daniel Larson subreddit]] and other respective communities, with many users demanding the dog to be returned to the shelter due to Daniel's inability to financially support himself, let alone an animal. And was was more concerning, [[December 10th Incident|Daniel's violent tendencies]] towards people, property, and many other other things made Music a potential target in Daniel's next [[Meltdowns|meltdown.]] | ||
[[ | Not long after, a rescue mission was conducted in a Discord server ran by the user Goated Mines and many other members of the R/Daniellarson subreddit. Thankfully, two days later, on July 11th, WeenWeenMusic, or Ween, rescued Music from Daniel. However, Daniel is most likely to attempt to another animal, although it will most likely be to no avail. | ||
[[File:Longmont | == Background == | ||
Many weeks before this incident occured, Daniel stated that he wanted to adopt a dog, though, this was easily shrugged off as Daniel's usual rambling. This was mostly due to the odds of Daniel ever adopting any sort of animal being very slim, considering his appearence and obvious [[Homeless Arc|homelessness.]] On many occasions, he has said that he has security and a team of people dedicated to protecting him, and him wanting to adopt a dog to protect him fell in line with these delusions. | |||
During this time this incident was going down, Daniel had a [[Management|manager]] by the name of Warren, although at the time little was known about this person. Warren seemed to have influenced Daniel to keep his location a a secret at most times. This can be inferred from the amount of times Daniel was found lying about his location to throw people off of his scent, which he was most likely told to do by his manager. Additionally, Daniel was still using Cameo, where he earned upwards of up to $500 dollars. Now, with the ambition to adopt a dog for himself, and the funds secured, he went out to get one. | |||
[[File:Longmont Facebook Comment.png|thumb|A concerned bystanders comment who claims to have seen Daniel whilst adopting Music. ]] | |||
[[File:Longmont Worker Testimony.png|thumb|401x401px|A long Reddit post made by a worker of the Longmont Humane Society.|left]]On July 9th, 2023, Daniel adopted Music, a German Shepard mix, from the Longmont Humane Society, an animal shelter he was nearby at the time as he was in Longmont, Colorado (although the amount of time he was there remains unknown). From what Daniel had stated, his main reason for getting a dog was for it to act as security, or more specifically, as a "guard dog", which eventually led him to selecting her. While Daniel was allowed to adopt and walk out of the shelter with her, workers and bystanders were worried concerned about Daniel getting a dog, but even so, no one intervened. | |||
What was even more concerning was that even workers were worried, which resulting in them attempting to slow down the process, atrying to guage if Daniel was truly able to adopt a dog, but in the end, ultimately allowing Daniel to take Music with him. In a Reddit post published on July 11th, 2023, a worker at the Longmont Humane Society, admits that the center did not do any sort of background check on Daniel, let alone any of its customers, and that adopters lying about their living conditions was a common occurence at the shelter, although those dogs were generally returned to the adoption center. They were horrified to find out who Daniel really was, presumably finding out about his colorful history online. Although, they were disgusted with the way many members of the subreddit treated the workers and Longmont Humane Society as a whole, as most of the workers received low pay (or no pay at all) and only chose to stay there out of genuine love for animals, who now had to deal with severel emergancy service calls which resulted in first responders allegedly showing up because of swatting attempts or false bomb threats. Although, this is unconfirmed. | |||
The | The worker urged people to stop harassing the people at the Humane Society, as they were actively working to fix the situation and initially were not aware of who Daniel even was at the time of Musics adoption.However, the upside to all of this was following the incident with Daniel, the worker firmly states that background checks are now under serious review and additonally, Daniel had been permanantly banned. From what the shelter claimed later on, many people of Daniel's stature passed through and are perfectly capable of caring for dogs.<blockquote>'''''No, no background checks. There have been issues in the past with people lying about their living circumstances, but with more minor things (like whether their landlord allowed the specific dog breed, or the amount of space in the home) and the result was only that the dog was eventually returned when the adoptee belatedly realized that you can't accommodate a hundred-pound dog in a studio apartment. As far as I know, no one has yet had the audacity to just straight-up lie about having a home when they're homeless.''''' | ||
'''''Additionally, if it turns out that a "stray" brought to the shelter is owned and doesn't show any physiological signs of mistreatment or neglect, the animal must be returned to the owner after the recovery fee is paid. That unfortunately includes cases where the owner is homeless, living in their car, senile, etc. Remember that in the United States, companion animals are chattel. An animal doesn't legally belong to the shelter until they've been living there for a certain amount of time. When an animal finishes that wait period, they become "emancipated" and are then in the shelter's custody.''''' | '''''Additionally, if it turns out that a "stray" brought to the shelter is owned and doesn't show any physiological signs of mistreatment or neglect, the animal must be returned to the owner after the recovery fee is paid. That unfortunately includes cases where the owner is homeless, living in their car, senile, etc. Remember that in the United States, companion animals are chattel. An animal doesn't legally belong to the shelter until they've been living there for a certain amount of time. When an animal finishes that wait period, they become "emancipated" and are then in the shelter's custody.''''' | ||
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While the shelter did not allow homeless people to adopt, Daniel lied on his application saying that he lived in an RV, which allowed him to almost instantly adopt Music as they immediantly took Daniel's word for it. Even more confounding, Music was found to have Giardia, which is a parasitic infection that affects the digestive system. It is unknown for sure, but it is assumed that the shelter supplied Daniel food and a leash for Music, that Daniel either bought or got free with Music. Daniel would later claim that he got dry food for her, but no video or photo evidence of this would ever surface, questioning the validity of this. Daniel initially did not post about Music at all, only having her posted when a fan in the area spotted him | The adoption fee was likely around $100, which Daniel was able to pay. Where Daniel got this money is unknown, although it is most likely that he used the money he earned from [[Cameo Arc|Cameo]] sales. | ||
While the shelter did not allow homeless people to adopt, Daniel lied on his application saying that he lived in an RV, which allowed him to almost instantly adopt Music as they immediantly took Daniel's word for it, choosing to look no further than that. Even more confounding, Music was later found to have [https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/giardia-in-dogs Giardia], which is a parasitic infection that affects the digestive system. It is unknown for sure, but it is assumed that the shelter supplied Daniel food and a leash for Music, that Daniel either bought or got free with Music. Daniel would later claim that he got dry food for her, but no video or photo evidence of this would ever surface, questioning the validity of this. Daniel initially did not post about Music at all, only having her posted when a fan named Keith, who was in the area, spotted him. He had taken a video while Daniel was seated at a Jimmy Johns, where he's seen talking to Daniel about his new "guard dog" while he's heard taunting [[World of T-Shirts|Joshua Block]]. After this fan interaction, Daniel would start posting video's of Music himself, which immediantly sparked outrage within the community when they realized that this was not someone elses dog, but a dog he had attained himself. {{#evt: | |||
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Following this, multiple members of the subreddit banded together to return Music back to the Humane Society, | Goated Mines, who would later play an integrel part in this arc, would later manage to talk to Keith about why he hadn't said anything or had shown any concern at all about the dog. He had been urged to snatch Music, even offered to be paid, although, Keith never took this deal and shortly after blocked him.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14vgw54/dms_with_dog_video_guy/</ref> <gallery> | ||
File:Keith Messages 1.png|Goated Mines' Messages to Keith. | |||
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[[File:"Yes, I don't lie".png|left|thumb|"Oh so why did you say you lived in an RV on the adoption form?"]] | |||
Following this, multiple members of the subreddit banded together to return Music back to the Humane Society, displaying large amounts of displeasure as they believed Daniel to be extremely unfit for taking care of a dog. | |||
This sparked immediant calls to action to collect Music and bring her back to the Longmont Humane Society. However, many speculated about the legaily of taking his dog, but the important factor that would allow Daniel's dog to be taken completely legally, was the fact Daniel lied about his living arrangements to adopt it, therefore, obtaining it fraudulently. No matter how much Daniel insisted on being able to support the dog, what Daniel had done by lying on the adoption form ultimately jeopordized his whole plan of keeping Music. Secondly, Daniel was a frequent caller of the Denver police, so the odds of him being taken seriously when calling in about his dog being kidnapped were ultimately slim. Third, even if it were illegal, Daniel shows to have no idea of how the legal system works and no matter how many threats he would make, no charges would end of being pressed. | |||
This call to action reached the ears of many people, most notably Daniel's old manager, [[Ox|Ivan, who is better known as Ox.]] Even though the opinion of Ivan in the community was largly negative, him posting in the subreddit about his attempts to rescue Daniel's dog, people were hopeful that he could redeem himself and hopefully return with Music safefully. This was mostly because if any could legitimately, peacefully negotiate with Daniel, it would have been Ox. Although, at the time of posting, Ox was in Wyoming, and would not arrive in Colorado until the next day. In the meantime, Goated Mines and many other called Longmont Animal Control and the Longmont Humane Society, and while the society had not picked up due to the increased number of calls, animal control was made aware of the situation, although they were not able to catch Daniel. [[File:Longmont Statement 7-10-23.png|thumb|A public statement issued by Longmont Humane Society.|350x350px]]Not long after, Daniel began to post more videos of Music. In these videos, she looked incredibly hot and anxious, and could be heard whimpering which only engendered the already growing rage of many. | |||
This rage eventually grew so large to the point that the Longmont Humane Society, on July 10th, saw fit to issue a public statement regarding the situation, only a day after the adoption. In their statement, the Longmont Humane Society acknowledged the situation and informed the public that they were doing everything in their power to get Music away from Daniel. Although, they would eventually not need to do anything, considered what followed. | |||
==Treatment of Music== | ==Treatment of Music== | ||
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On July 11, 2023, WeenWeenmsuic, also known as Ween, was able to rescue Music by finding the restaurant Dan was loitering at. The operation was conducted flawlessly. Ween was able to get the dog by asking Daniel if she had permission to make sure that she was okay, pretending to be a vet. Not long after, she simply walked away and put her in their car.<ref>[https://old.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14wwqvs/music_rescue_information/ https://reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14wwqvs/music_rescue_information/]</ref> Soon after, Ween started a voice call in his discord server, and just a moment after, Goated Mines posted an image of Music<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14ww7cu/music_is_safe/</ref> on Reddit with a caption saying, "MUSIC IS SAFE." After requests for more proof, he later posted a [https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14wx26n/music_rescued_more_proof/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 video of Music.] Ween himself also posted an update to Reddit explain what they would do with any donations that were sent their way as well as some more photos of Music.<blockquote>[H]ello! [I']m ween lol [I']m the [M]usic snatcher!! [S]he's doing great and [I] understand why people are questioning donations and stuff for me but it was originally so [I] could get up to [L]ongmont but [I']m hoping to spoil her and have a lot of things that she can take to her forever family. [S]he's an amazing dog and thank you all for helping her[.] -''[https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14x0d4x/ween/ loverofmoms69 (ween)]''</blockquote>Goated Mines posted another update stating that Zola (Music) is on her way back to Longmont with one of the animal caretakers.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14x4ll1/zola_is_en_route_back_to_longmont_with_one_of_the/</ref> Followed by another post once she made it.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14x6r9g/zola_has_made_it_to_the_shelter/</ref> | On July 11, 2023, WeenWeenmsuic, also known as Ween, was able to rescue Music by finding the restaurant Dan was loitering at. The operation was conducted flawlessly. Ween was able to get the dog by asking Daniel if she had permission to make sure that she was okay, pretending to be a vet. Not long after, she simply walked away and put her in their car.<ref>[https://old.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14wwqvs/music_rescue_information/ https://reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14wwqvs/music_rescue_information/]</ref> Soon after, Ween started a voice call in his discord server, and just a moment after, Goated Mines posted an image of Music<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14ww7cu/music_is_safe/</ref> on Reddit with a caption saying, "MUSIC IS SAFE." After requests for more proof, he later posted a [https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14wx26n/music_rescued_more_proof/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 video of Music.] Ween himself also posted an update to Reddit explain what they would do with any donations that were sent their way as well as some more photos of Music.<blockquote>[H]ello! [I']m ween lol [I']m the [M]usic snatcher!! [S]he's doing great and [I] understand why people are questioning donations and stuff for me but it was originally so [I] could get up to [L]ongmont but [I']m hoping to spoil her and have a lot of things that she can take to her forever family. [S]he's an amazing dog and thank you all for helping her[.] -''[https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14x0d4x/ween/ loverofmoms69 (ween)]''</blockquote>Goated Mines posted another update stating that Zola (Music) is on her way back to Longmont with one of the animal caretakers.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14x4ll1/zola_is_en_route_back_to_longmont_with_one_of_the/</ref> Followed by another post once she made it.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14x6r9g/zola_has_made_it_to_the_shelter/</ref> | ||
== Daniel’s Reaction | == Daniel’s Reaction & Following Incidents == | ||
Daniel's intense reaction to Music being taken led to what most suspect was a psychiatric hold. It is reported that he entered a Walmart and began destroying things, prompting customers to restrain him until the police arrived. After being released, Daniel made multiple 911 calls in an attempt to "get some security out here", which ultimately led to a visit from EMTs who transported him to the hospital. Many refer to this as the '''July 11th incident''' or the '''7/11 incident.''' | Daniel's intense reaction to Music being taken led to what most suspect was a psychiatric hold. It is reported that he entered a Walmart and began destroying things, prompting customers to restrain him until the police arrived. After being released, Daniel made multiple 911 calls in an attempt to "get some security out here", which ultimately led to a visit from EMTs who transported him to the hospital. Many refer to this as the '''July 11th incident''' or the '''7/11 incident.''' | ||