Grace VanderWaal

“ ...being a fan of a pedo that's haunted my life and continue to twist the blade with harassment isn't really a great road to success ” — Grace's first (and probably only) official comment on Daniel, 2024.

Grace VanderWaal

Photo example on how Daniel sees Grace.

Name: Grace Avery VanderWaal

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Alignment: Obsession of Daniel

DOB: January 15, 2004

Gender: Female

Race: White

Nationality: American

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Parents: Tina VanderWaal (Mother), Dave VanderWaal (Father)

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Grace Avery VanderWaal (born January 15, 2004) is an American singer, songwriter, and actress, who Daniel Larson has exhibited a persistent infatuation and unhealthy obsession with since his late teens.

Daniel first became aware of Grace after watching her perform on America's Got Talent with his grandmother, Nancy Shimer. Following this, he developed a long-term, unhealthy obsession with her, which began while she was still a minor. Over time, Daniel came to believe he had a personal connection with her. This perceived "relationship" subsequently escalated due to his own delusions and was further reinforced by interactions with online trolls posing as managers and impersonating Grace.

Beginning in 2021, Daniel's obsession escalated sharply. His social media posts regarding Grace became increasingly explicit and inappropriate. In interactions with trolls impersonating Grace, Daniel also made repeated sexual references to photos of her during her childhood.

Grace, and to a lesser extent, her family, were frequently impersonated online by trolls posing as her in order to deceive Daniel and gain his trust. On several occasions, Daniel engaged in conversations with these trolls that involved sexual topics. Despite these deceptions, he continued to believe he had a sexual relationship with Grace. Tina VanderWaal, Grace’s mother, confronted Daniel multiple times about his harassment.

On April 17, 2024, Grace publicly addressed Daniel in a comment on her TikTok account, calling him a "pedophile who has haunted her life". She subsequently filtered out mentions of his name from her comment sections. Messages to her mother indicate that Grace and her family do not wish to have contact with Daniel or anybody associated with him. In response to continued references to him in the comment sections, Grace later disabled comments on her TikTok account entirely.

Despite being told off by her mother, Tina VanderWaal, thousands of people online, and even Grace herself, Daniel still deludes himself into believing he is truly dating Grace. Most recently, in late 2024, during the Second Jail Arc, he still expressed his love for her in phone calls, even while incarcerated, and talked about her possibly bailing him out. However, Daniel has not mentioned Grace in any jail communications for over a year.

Despite repeated warnings from countless people online, her mother Tina, her brother Jakob, and even Grace herself, Daniel continued to believe he was in a relationship with Grace. His delusions have persisted into his incarceration due to many interactions with trolls. As of late 2024, Daniel still remains adamant that him and Grace are in a relationship, and are to be married soon. He has referenced her in phone calls, suggesting that she and her family will intervene in his court case.

Origins

A common pastime for Daniel was watching the show America's Got Talent with his grandmother. When Grace performed on the show in 2016, Daniel became obsessed with her. At the time, Grace was 12 years old, and Daniel was 17. While not confirmed, Nancy supposedly told Daniel that he might one day perform on stage with Grace. Since then, he has believed that he is part of her life.

Daniel first mentioned Grace online a few times in 2020. In November of that year, he claimed that he would be collaborating with her on a Zoom meeting, a claim he was likely told by management. When his Pinterest account was discovered, it contained numerous childhood photos of Grace.

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Daniel's Harassment

Beginning on May 11, 2021, Daniel began claiming that he and Grace were working on a collaboration that would be released soon. Later, he further claimed on TikTok that he and Grace had started a romantic relationship. His behavior escalated very quickly, and he began approaching strangers on the street to assert he was in a relationship with her. More disturbingly, Daniel posted multiple videos directed toward Grace that were sexual in nature, such as moaning and whispering for her pleasure. In stark contrast to his lascivious posts, Daniel also posted hysterical videos about her 'breaking up' with him, including calling her a bitch and using various other expletives. Although Daniel has issued multiple apologies for the sexually charged videos directed at Grace, he continued engaging in this behavior. While malicious trolls have played a role in deceiving and reinforcing his belief that he was in a relationship with her, his actions have consistently demonstrated an intense and persistent obsession.

Daniel mogs Grace with his Greek God-esque Jawline.

Daniel, aware that Grace was under 18, made multiple posts claiming that he would, "...wait until Grace is 18." His claims about their relationship have shifted depending on his delusions at the time: when framing it as romantic, Daniel refers to Grace as his girlfriend; when perceiving it as sexual, he described explicit acts he wished to engage in with her. Daniel even released a song about his perceived "relationship", in which the most repeated word was "sex". In 2022, after Grace turned 18, he recorded a video of himself having an orgasm while whispering her name.

Daniel continues to insist that his obsession with Grace is not sexual, claiming instead that he simply "...wants to have a chance" with her. However, Daniel's statements about Grace are considered unreliable, as he has a tendency to internalize his delusions.

“ I just wanted a chance and I need help! I was never givin a chance and every single time I tried to contact you i get threatened. I really like your daughter for who she is and not for sexual reasons. The trolls want everyone to think it's for sexual reasons. I just wanted to stand out and have a chance with her! I know the competition she has. We are all human and we do sexual activities though. But that doesn't make me a pedophile if I have never even done anything and everyone uses me because I don't have protection. I'm sorry for everything being crazy ”

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  Daniel denying his pedophilic attraction to Grace.

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Daniel has expressed an intense fixation on Grace and has frequently directed obsessive behavior toward her, similar to his focus on other individuals, including Bob. Posts made by Grace on TikTok or Instagram were often inundated with frequent comments from Daniel, creating the impression of a real-time interaction with her. Daniel repeatedly mentioned and tagged her in his own TikTok videos, causing her notifications to be dominated by his messages. This behavior continued across nearly all of his TikTok accounts and ultimately led to the termination of one account for repeated harassment. Shortly after, Grace added filters to her TikTok comments to block terms such as "Daniel Larson," "Mr. President," and "Danderson" to prevent further interaction.

As of 2024, Daniel's obsession with Grace showed no signs of stopping. He continues to fall for trolls’ claims about her and follows the instructions of trolls impersonating Grace, often leading him to engage in graphic and disturbing actions, including the creation of NSFW content such as The Toothbrush Incident. While his Graceposting had eased up, it never truly died down or stopped. Daniel's most recent head-canon was that he and Grace were periodically breaking up and getting back together, or getting an apartment, with no inbetween.

Although these delusions do appear to be what Daniel is genuinely thinking, Flexburger has said in the past during a AMA that Daniel does not truly believe that he is dating Grace. Instead, it is said he wants to believe it, and likes having someone to sext and talk to. However, considering th

Grace and Pedophilia

Daniel is well known for his pedophilia, his stunted sexual development, warped view of sexual topics and a persistent refusal to reconsider his views. Even after Grace reached adulthood, he continued to perceive and portray her as a child, intentionally seeking photos of her taken during her preteen years. When discussing Grace with others, he has consistently referenced images of her from childhood, even when presented with more recent photos of her. Daniel has also sent older pictures of Grace to trolls impersonating her, which he made sexualized comments about the images and asked whether she was engaging in sexual activity in them.

When his Pinterest accounts were leaked, they contained a vast amount of photos of her during America's Got Talent. In a few phone calls during the Second Jail Arc, Lil Sippy reminded Daniel that Grace was an adult, to which Daniel seemed to acknowledge. Despite focusing on images from her childhood, he could still be misled by images of Grace as an adult, including an AI-generated one depicting her as pregnant with Jacob Sartorius' child, which caused him to be upset.

Notable Delusions

The Likee Meltdown

Main Article: Likee Meltdown

During one of his earliest delusional episodes, Daniel, seemingly without access to his phone, posted on Likee, a short-video platform he used while banned from TikTok, in despair and asking his followers to retrieve information from the 'VanderWaal Team'.

Daniel appeared to believe that an unspecified accident had occurred and that the VanderWaal family, whom he was convinced had been in contact with him, was withholding information about Grace. Throughout the video, he hit his head and made threats against his own life. While he did not act on these threats, the episode marked the first notable instance of a meltdown. Daniel claimed that if he did not get in contact with the VanderWaal family, he would end up homeless. Although relatively minor at the time, the incident foreshadowed more severe delusional behavior in the future.

Afterwards, Daniel uploaded a video to YouTube mourning the supposed deaths of Grace, and her father Dave. In this video, he expressed the belief that Grace had both committed suicide and suffered a heart attack simultaneously. Before Daniel addressed their deaths, he became emotional, crying and hysterically apologizing for sexting minors and sending pictures of his genitals to individuals he believed to be Grace. He promised to repent for the bad choices he had made and honor her legacy.

After this live-stream, Daniel posted to his TikTok admitting that Grace was one of the minors he had supposedly sexted. Daniel admitted, "I have sexted minors, 13 years old, well I'm gonna be honest, 12 years old". The video ends with Daniel saying that he planned to move on by not doing things such as this anymore and putting in the work to become a better person for her, especially after Grace's 'death.'

While it may have appeared that Daniel's belief in Grace’s supposed death prompted a moment of repentance, this was short-lived. Upon realizing that Grace was still alive, he quickly reverted to his usual obsessive behavior, once again posting about her regularly and continuing to sext with individuals he believed to be her.

Tyrone

"Tyrone just shot Grace VanderWaal in the abdomen and shoulder"

Daniel, alluding to the hospital Grace was apparently staying at, was being shot up.

During the July 24th Meltdown, Daniel became convinced that Grace was being attacked by an individual named "Tyrone," whom he described as an African-American man attempting to kill her. He claimed that Tyrone had "just shot Grace VanderWaal in the abdomen and shoulder." Following this, Daniel's community tab was filled with paranoid posts, as he simultaneously believed that Grace had died and that she was still alive in a hospital while Tyrone continued to pursue her.

At one point, he became convinced that Tyrone was attacking the hospital where Grace was supposedly being treated, escalating to what he described as a "standoff." These delusions were likely exacerbated by trolls who fueled his paranoia.

Daniel's (Failed) Trek from Colorado to New York

While in contact with Daniel, an account claiming to be Grace told him that she had recently been with another man. Fueled by delusions, rage, and his obsessive fixation on Grace, Daniel decided to hike from Colorado to New York in an attempt to "win her back," documenting his journey through TikTok videos recorded during the night.

In these TikToks, Daniel claimed that he had, "...officially fucked up," with Grace to the point that she had broken up with him. In a rare moment of clarity, Daniel acknowledged that Grace was her own person and that she could date whoever she wanted. Daniel’s reason for going to New York was to win back Grace’s love from whomever she was apparently having sex with. He tried to guilt trip her in these videos by saying that he had a, "...[h]eart disease from heartbreak," and details about how hard his childhood was.

As the night progressed, Daniel remained awake, continuing his journey as the sun began to rise. During the walk, he made increasingly erratic statements and even broke into karaoke. Ultimately, the hike ended with Daniel returning to Denver, either due to exhaustion or after realizing that the "Grace" he had been communicating with was, in fact, a troll.

Travel Arc/New York

In March 2023, during the Travel Arc, Daniel announced that he planned to travel to New York City to meet Grace and her mother, Tina, in person. He stated that his visit was also motivated by personal reasons concerning Grace. Tina was aware of his intentions and warned Daniel that he could be arrested if he found Grace. She further cautioned his followers that contributing to his Cash App, if intended to help him reach Grace, could be considered aiding in a criminal act and that such actions treated Grace's safety lightly. Despite these warnings, Daniel traveled to New York on April 3, 2023, and remained there for nearly seven weeks. At one point, he came within a few blocks of Grace; however, online trolls impersonating her redirected him to another location, potentially preventing a serious incident. He returned to Colorado on May 20, 2023, without encountering Grace in person.

Grace "pregnant" with Jacob's baby.

The Grace and Jacob Sartorius Love Affair

Main Article: Jacob Sartorius#Delusions

On July 24, 2023, Daniel became convinced that Grace, whom he believed had been in a relationship with him until this point, had broken up with him as things were, "..moving too slow". Shortly after, he became fixated on the idea that she had started dating American social media personality and singer Jacob Sartorius. Daniel would soon believe that Jacob had impregnated Grace, and ordered her assassination by "Tyrone", all at the same time. Daniel's narrative regarding Jacob rapidly changed, at one point claiming that Jacob was harassing him, and later insisted that he was targeting Grace instead.

This eventually culminated into Daniel throwing his dinner into a river because of his anger at Grace dating Jacob instead of him.

August 29th Meltdown

Main Article: August 29th Meltdown

On August 29, 2023, an already on-edge Daniel, who had already spent a night on the streets, was being contacted by a troll pretending to be Grace, trying to provoke him by making threats towards him, such as that "Tyrone would butt-fuck him until he dies", calling him a pedophile, and telling him to have sex with Bob. Daniel became upset on his Community Tab page, making threats and attempting to text 9-1-1 a screenshot of his conversation. However, Daniel uploaded and deleted a YouTube short, calling her the N-word, and saying how he will always hate her. Later, Daniel went live on YouTube in a full-blown meltdown, repeatedly punching himself in the head, slamming his head into a wall, and wishing death upon Grace.

Delusions while Incarcerated

Daniel's obsession with Grace persisted even while incarcerated, as evidenced by phone calls with Clark and Lil Sippy.

During the first Jail Arc, Daniel admitted that he continued to think about Grace to calm himself, with delusions that she was shocked by the news, that she and Tina might bail him out, and that he was still on track to get an apartment with her.

When Daniel was arrested for federal crimes, his delusions about Grace showed no sign of stopping. During the first call of the Second Jail Arc, he mentioned messages from Tina scolding him to stop talking about her, but he also maintained the delusion that he was engaged to Grace and his desire to reach out to her. In the next call, Clark confronted him, emphasizing that Grace did not want any contact with him, considered him a creep, and that Tina was only telling him to back off while calling out his delusions and inappropriate behavior. In the next conversation, Daniel appeared to accept that Grace did not want contact. However, months later, he called Clark again, maintaining the delusion that he would have a wedding with Grace upon his release, demonstrating that repeated attempts to confront him with reality are never successful.

During his time in federal prison, Daniel also claimed, among other delusions, that fellow inmates and correctional officers were teasing him with jokes about Grace, that Bob was upset because Grace was not helping him, and that her father, Dave, approved of him dating her. Lil Sippy, who got in contact with Daniel during his incarceration, enabled and reinforced his delusions. He told Daniel that Grace was in Miami Beach with a fictional dubstep artist wearing a shirt that said "Free Daniel Larson," sent him numerous photos of Grace through prison mail, and even sent him a Grace VanderWaal songbook, while simultaneously telling him to stop dwelling on Tina and Grace. Daniel also developed the delusion that Grace was cheating on him with Clark.

However, the most recent time Daniel mentioned Grace was in a letter in March 2025, stating she was involved in the case, and has not mentioned her since.

Contact

Grace's mom responding to what is most likely thousands of messages from Daniel

While Grace is aware of Daniel's existence, she has very rarely publicly acknowledged him, despite hundreds of comments and posts by Daniel and his trolls. It is highly likely that she chooses not to acknowledge them, particularly Daniel, as he thrives on attention. Some speculate that Grace stopped posting on her original TikTok account due to harassment from Daniel and his followers in the comment section, though this remains unconfirmed. She actively filters out comments on her social media that mention Daniel or references to him.

Jakob VanderWaal

Daniel's extreme obsession caused Grace's brother, Jakob, to message him in December 2021. He confronted Daniel, telling him to leave her and their family alone, and were considering putting a restraining order against him with the threat of building a criminal case. Daniel had an intense reaction to this confrontation, as he went to the hospital and at one point, had a meltdown and violently hit his head in response.

Tina VanderWaal

Daniel's continued obsession eventually caused Tina VanderWaal, Grace's mother, to message him on or around July 25, 2022.

Tina, through Instagram, firmly demanded that Daniel cease all contact with her family, especially her daughter, calling out his mental illness and delusions. Tina then claimed to be in contact with the police, and if he did not stop making videos and posts about Grace, she would pursue legal action and have him arrested.

In response, Daniel acknowledged her message but then stated that he planned to take his own life that night. However, he did not follow through with this threat. It is likely that he made the statement as an attempt to guilt-trip Tina or gain attention.

“ Stop saying my daughters name. Stop saying you are in a relationship with her. You are scaring her and our family. Everything you have said and done has been in your own mind. You need to access some mental health support and stop harassing my daughter. I have contacted the authorities and will continue to press the issue of you don't stop making disturbing videos. You followers have harassed my daughter long enough. STOP ”

Despite this, Tina never followed suit with her threats. According to a message exchange with a member of the Daniel Larson subreddit, Tina had reached out to the Denver police. However, they were unable to intervene, as Daniel had not made any direct threats against Grace at the time.

Even so, this interaction with Grace's mother was a focal point of multiple videos and community posts for some time. Daniel posted multiple videos where he appeared emotional, often crying and/or apologizing to the VanderWaal family while repeatedly addressing the 'allegations' against him. However, his responses were inconsistent; at times, Daniel acknowledged his actions, while at other times, he dismissed the allegations as unfounded rumors.^{[citation needed]}

Two weeks later, Tina left a comment on one of Daniel's live-streams, urging him to stop his obsessive posting.

“ God Daniel….. do you think I’m watching your lives? whoever just contacted you claiming to be me was not me. I have no idea who Ox even is. I don’t want you to talk about Grace or our family anymore. I have only replied to you once when you DM’d me a couple of weeks ago - then I told you to stop saying Grace’s name but clearly you refuse to listen. Stop all of this. Everyone communicating with you are trolls trying to get you to do crazy things. Please STOP ”

Upon receiving this message, Daniel repeatedly responded to Tina, pressing her with questions, to which she replied:

“ I do mind. Stop everything to do with our family ESPECIALLY my daughter. You are making me reply publicly so you can’t censor what I’m actually saying to you. I’ve spoken to DDRC as well as the Denver police and Denver FBI. Do you really want to continue this? Again, just stop. Your reality is not real. ”

Daniel responded to these posts by asking even more for forgiveness, stating that things got, "...fucked up," because of his "...past friendships," and insisting he is misunderstood. He has not received a response. In direct messages with a fan, Tina stated that the family had contacted the FBI, but had no recourse unless Daniel made threats.

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Months later, on March 26, 2023, an exasperated Tina left a comment on Daniel's YouTube short, titled "the vanderwaal's told me that I am safe from all legal trouble if I stay in contact with them." She denied this claim and warned Daniel that he was close to being arrested.

“ Great!!!! Stop talking about Grace and all of us.

Now you’re going to be safe…… I have talked to the FBI Daniel, this is truly not a joke and you are moving in the direction of being arrested for a very serious offense.

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Daniel responded 10 times, begging her for a second chance and crying. Tina ignored these messages. However, the next day, Tina posted on Daniel's community tab post, with a link to his Cash App. Tina warned his followers that they were participating in committing a crime.

“ Anyone that contributes to this cash app and helps Daniel get to my daughter is assisting in committing a crime. I hope you know that. It is a recorded record and you will be held accountable. This is serious. Stop thinking people’s lives are a joke. ”

Daniel would respond, idiotically "siding" with Tina and ignoring the severity of the situation. He continued to make similar posts that day. Tina replied multiple times in this thread, telling him to take control of his life, calling out all his delusions and telling him for the final time to stop harassing Grace. This is the last message Tina ever sent to Daniel regarding Grace.

Grace Rape Troll

Messages the troll sent to Daniel.

Sometime in late 2021, Daniel texted a number belonging to someone who claimed to be Grace VanderWaal; the identity of the person behind this number remains unknown.

In these messages, "Grace" made bizarre claims, stating that she was at the White House, being sexually assaulted by her father, and had been impregnated by multiple individuals. Daniel believed this to be genuine and attempted to convince "Grace" to move to Denver, where she could press charges against her father and live with him.

The messages initially showed Daniel expressing genuine concern for "Grace’s" well-being, asking how he could help. However, the conversation quickly took a disturbing turn, with Daniel proceeding to ask "Grace" what it felt like to be raped and what she thought about during the assaults—seemingly desperate to imagine her engaging in intercourse. Daniel later claimed that he asked these questions to gather information for use in court, though this is highly unlikely, as no legal action followed.

Whenever this fake "Grace" spoke about the alleged assaults, they claimed the incidents were being recorded and uploaded to a social media or pornographic website, which led Daniel to express interest in finding and viewing the supposed footage. Following this exchange, he made multiple videos stating that he had contacted the police regarding the situation. Given his history of misusing emergency services, it is likely that he did, in fact, call the authorities.

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AI Prank

On June 16, 2023, Reddit user u/TMZ_news posted a video of Grace VanderWaal's Instagram account, editing the image to make her most recent post appear as a video addressing Daniel. The video in question being made using AI.

In the video, 'Grace' urges Daniel to leave her and her family alone, reinforcing the fact that he had never been in contact with any of the members of the VanderWaal family. u/TMZ_news went on to post screenshots of alleged messages between him and Tina VanderWaal, in which Tina claimed the video was taken down due to Grace's "lawyer" advising them to do so, although these messages are most likely fake.

Daniel addressed the video on the community section of his YouTube page, and his panicked reactions made it clear that he did not see the posts as fake, and had fallen for the elaborate prank. [citation needed]

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Messages with u/TMZ_News

While Daniel himself has not had contact with Grace, on June 21, 2023, u/TMZ_News reached out to Grace to ask if she knew who Daniel was and if she had ever been in contact with him. Grace responded by stating that she had never been in contact with Daniel and never plans to do so. She emphatically expressed her hatred for him and her desire for him to stop mentioning her name.

“ Have you ever been in contact with Daniel Larson? Do you know who he is? ”

“ I know who he is, but I have never contacted him and don't want anything to do with him. He's the worse things that's ever happened to my career. Every time I search my name I see pictures of that dirty pedophile. My posts get spammed with comments about that freak Daniel. I hate him and wish he would just stop talking about me. ”

They replied to Grace with condolences for both her and her family, offering to stop messaging Grace about Daniel.

“ Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. If you want I'll leave your family alone and quit asking y'all questions about Daniel. ”

“ No, it's okay I understand that you're just trying to help. It's nice having someone to talk to about the problem and I can tell you're a nice guy. ”

This was the last message Grace sent before their exchange ended.

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There is a very high chance that even if Daniel sees these messages, he will not change. Due to his delusions, he will likely continue to believe that Grace loves him and that everyone else is lying. If this response is authentic, it would likely encourage Daniel to persist, as his efforts have made Grace aware of him.

However, there is a large chance that these messages are fake. This same user had previously faked posts from Grace's Instagram in order to trick Daniel, so any other media coming from U/TMZ_news should be approached with skepticism. Until more evidence comes out, it is safe to assume that the exchange pictured above is faked.

TikTok Comment (Official Acknowledgement)

On April 17, 2024, it was revealed that Grace is, in fact, aware of Daniel. On a post of her TikTok account, a user commented,

“ Is laniel darson featured? ”

Grace had filtered out "Daniel Larson", "Mr. President", "Danderson" and "Emergency" from her comments on TikTok due to the harassment. She replied,

“ If ur trying to be a musician with [REDACTED BAND NAME] being a fan of a p*do that's haunted my life and continue to twist the blade with harassment isn't really a great road to success ”

Daniel, in response to Grace's comment.

The commenter later deleted his original comment after Grace had replied, taking issue with Grace mentioning his band. However, he provided a screen recording of the comment.

This finally confirms that Grace is indeed aware of Daniel, and clearly does not want anything to do with him, mentioning that he has haunted her. Given the amount of weens who have likely flooded Grace's comment section with mentions of Daniel, this is not very surprising. Daniel saw the comment and confirmed this on his Community Tab, but he continues to harbor delusions, still thinking she loves him, when in reality she does not. In addition, it is possible Daniel even thought the comment was made by a troll.

Nearly a year later, on June 20, 2025, Grace disabled the comments on all of her TikTok posts following another wave of harassment, which included quotes, references to Daniel, and users asking her to "free her boyfriend". She continues to delete such comments.

2025 TikTok Comments

On November 23, 2025, on a post on Grace's alternate account, @user4602508883137, a user commented,

“ i thought this was grace vanderwaal for a second and almost morphed into daniel larson ”

This account did not have the filters in place like her main account. Grace typically ignores or deletes comments with references to Daniel, but replied to this one, emphasizing her aversion;

“ I do not like this reference ”

Grace was already dealing with her mother's death at this time, which occurred the month before.

In another post, a user asked,

“ are we aware of daniel larson ”

She replied;

“ Yes it makes me uncomfortable ”

However, the overall message is clear: Grace and her family want NOTHING to do with Daniel. DO NOT contact the VanderWaals about Daniel Larson.

*Matan Even pls interview Grace so we get her side of the story about Daniel*