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Ivan Nedeljkovic, better known as Ox or Oxis, was one of Daniel Larson's former managers, friends, and most infamously, enabler. He is most notable for assisting Daniel in various ways, and running the Daniel Larson Twitch account and the subsequent links that branch off from it. Ox is a very controversial figure in the Daniel Larson community, whom many have criticized for blaming most of Daniel's actions on his mental illnesses or trolls who have gotten into contact with him.
Over time, managing Daniel became too much of a hassle for Ox, resulting in him distancing himself from his management role. He still takes a small role in assisting Daniel such as trying to be Daniel's point of contact in case he needs anything. Additionally, Ox has tried to help Daniel be sent to an institution where he will be away from the internet, although his attempts have ultimately failed.
As of recent, Ox mainly lurks in places such as the Daniel Larson subreddit to defend him from pedophile allegations, despite the abundant evidence, along with trying to combat criticism of himself. Ox is mainly criticized for his supposed savior complex, along with his borderline obsession with Daniel. It is believed that Ox was one of the top sources for Daniel-related content on TikTok, at least for a time.
Ironically, In Ox's journey to help Daniel, Ox only caused Daniel, along with many members of the community, to despise him.
Introduction to Ox
Not much is known about Ox's early life, but some information can be gleaned from posts on the r/Daniellarson Subreddit and subsequent subreddits made about him.
The earliest known information regarding Ox's life is that he is from Michigan where he was an athlete in high school. After this, he took an interest in acting and moved out to Los Angeles to attend a school for acting. While in California, he was cast in a movie called Hell Trip in 2018, in which he played a character named Logan Turner.[1]
Following this, Ox took an interest in becoming a social media influencer, starting out on a TikTok account named OxTheGoat to document his, "Off the grid van life," during which he made videos about his life living in an RV. He also had an Instagram account dedicated to his brief stint as a model, however this was unsuccessful. In 2022, he rose to fame due to his TikTok content covering AIOPM's, which refers to lolcows with disabilities who use TikTok as their main platform. His channel initially focused on Daniel Larson and another controversial TikToker, Joshua Block, also known as WorldOfTshirts.
Ox claimed that Daniel, along with many other disabled TikTokers, were being manipulated into creating unsavory and often sexually explicit content by trolls. His TikTok about this topic quickly went viral, gaining hundreds of thousands of views in just a few weeks.
However, in the summer of 2022, Ox began to face backlash after becoming one of Daniel's managers. Despite the backlash, Ox continued to create content with Daniel and even went on to meet him in real life, even then, Daniel reacted negatively to Ox, creating multiple videos about him, and even making one in which he threatened to bomb his house.
Influence
Ox is often heavily criticized for how he acts towards Daniel and others in the community.
Many in the community have criticized Ox for many of the same reasons they criticized Papa Gut. Ox seems to ignore Daniel's troubled past and instead blames his actions on either manipulation or mental illness.
u/BrianTheLarsonist, a longtime moderator of the r/Daniellarson subreddit, stated in a post that Ox had blocked all communication with him shortly before the attempted mass flagging campaign on the subreddit. Allegedly, Ox had insulted him numerous times and refused to listen to him regarding Daniel's Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and how Ox giving Daniel money could cause him to lose his SSI. It was later found this was never a problem because everything was in Ox’s name.
Other complaints with Ox include him having some form of hero complex, believing he was 'saving' Daniel from trolls. Some of his uploads to TikTok include him threatening action and stating he is gathering evidence against them. Some dub him a "clout chaser" but these claims are disputable.
Nonetheless, Ox provided the majority of Daniel’s food and dozens of hotels sept-august, got him his new Colorado state ID, monitored Daniel’s socials for trolls, and attempted to assist Daniel in California, which did not end up going well.
Controversy
Ox is a largely controversial figure in the community, with many debating whether or not he's a genuine person trying to help Daniel out, or a person with a hero complex causing trouble.
Some reasonings that make Ox controversial include:
Twitch Streams
Ox has been the subject of scrutiny for his handling of the Daniel Larson Twitch live streams, in which numerous incidents occurred such as Daniel's phone number being leaked to hundreds on air. Ox also seems to have heavily monetized the Twitch page itself by providing multiple donation links and a fully-fledged merch store all based on Daniel's image, but Ox states that all of the profits earned through these means go to assist Daniel and not himself. A large array of screenshots were provided in Daniel’s official Twitch discord to prove these claims. This is a large point of contention in the community; however, as the merch website features Daniel only by name and does not depict any images of him in either the modeling photos or on the merch itself, as well as the DaniellarsonTv Twitch streams being mostly comprised of face cam video of Oxis himself.
r/Daniellarson Subreddit Raid
In late July of 2022, Ox amassed his Twitch and Tiktok audience to instigate a mass flagging campaign against the r/daniellarson subreddit, claiming that the usage of NSFW content of Daniel was the reasoning behind the attack. While proving to be unsuccessful in banning the sub, it caused many in the sub to immediately dislike him and cause a fury storm of posts expressing their disdain for him.
Doxxing
There are numerous instances of Ox threatening to dox people who he deems to be harassing and abusing mentally disabled creators online. Ox claims to have already amassed a lot of information. One of Ox's prime targets is a user by the name of Murk, the suspected troll behind Dave VanderWaal.
First Falling Out
As with a lot of fans who try and help Daniel. Daniel ends up having a hard time seeing any good that may have helped him. On July 30th, 2022 Daniel uploaded a video saying that Ox was a bitch, Ox then stitched the video from the same account responding to the attack referencing a famous Daniel video about Quandale Dingle.
Nuclear Attack
On August 2nd, 2022 Ox made a donation goal to prank Daniel with a fake Nuclear Attack video, causing more tension between the two.
Meet Up
On October 26th, 2022 Ox met Daniel Larson in person for the first time. Ox gave Daniel a pink sweatshirt that said "Code Rainbow" a reference to one of the hundreds of codes that Daniel has given his "Emergencies". They had lunch and live-streamed during the visit on the "daniellarsonsafe" TikTok account. Ox bought Daniel's lunch which according to Ox was a large amount of food. During the stream they gambled some of Ox's money, Daniel once made a smart gambling move by depositing $5 and pulling out when he had $5.11 profiting a sweet 11 cents.
Ox Quits
On January 15, 2023, Ox uploaded a video in which he explains that Daniel is refusing services for him in Denver and will never be going back, citing his warrants and court date absences.
After trolls were able to convince Daniel to block Ox, the two met up and Ox explained that he would no longer help Daniel with trolls online. Daniel said that they were friends and that Ox would still try and get him some dry clothes.
Ox goes on to admit that it took him a while to see that Daniel and his trolls are like "yin and yang"; since Daniel wants so badly to be famous and to be dating Grace, and trolls will always pretend to be something that can achieve that Daniel will always fall for it.
Ox told Daniel some harsh realities, such that Daniel is a laughing stock and has never met grace. Ox reported nothing seems to get through to him, and he has no control over Daniel, "he will never be off the internet, and he will never be somewhere where he is watched 24/7". Ox says he will watch from afar and intervene if "something super wild happens".
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Ox: Rick Yorn told you to your face and said you're not Rick Yorn, Dan. Daniel: I- I- I blocked him. Ox: What about everybody else? Daniel: I blocked them too. Ox: You're still in that server. Daniel: Yeah, cause I'm making a movie. Ox: What movie are you making? Daniel: I'm doing my own production. Ox: What's that? Daniel: I told you who I was in contact with. Ox: Who? Daniel: I don't need to tell you. Like, I'm tired of you. Ox: I'm not trying to- I'm not gonna making anything stop. You know what I mean? Like, you can make a movie, do whatever you want. Daniel: No. Like I- I'm just not gonna say what like, company or business I'm in contact with. Ox: You don't have to do that. I just asking you because I'm wondering if maybe you're being fooled. Daniel: No, no. But I did get the other song, "Something More" done. So that one is done, and I'm being sent that by Bob like, later this week. Ox: Why haven't you reached out to me for help? You're still wearing the same clothes as when I met you. Daniel: Yeah. Well I know that, but… I got everything else set up, so… Ox: You're soaking wet. Daniel: Well, that's because I just ralked (walked) here from like, where, the restaurant, so. But um… tomor- Ox: Talk to me outside and not in the gym, OK? Nobody's here to get you, nothing's gonna happen. Daniel: Yeah, OK. I'll do that. But as far as… Ox: I've never wanted to hurt you or harm you, Daniel. Daniel: No, I know. But I mean, as far as like, the rest of the, uh… as far as the rest of the chat, we of course started uh, the Discord again… Ox: Yes, and? Daniel: And we have- Ox: They're not affiliated with people I was working with. You know that, right? Daniel: No I know, but we kicked like about half of the trolls out. We banned like, a total of 400 people today. So I got 400 of the trolls out and, um, so I was able to do that, and then as far as… Ox: So… Daniel: Yeah, that's like, all I know, like I- yes.
Daniel: Not all of them, but… Ox: Very few of them, maybe 5% want to help you. Daniel: No, I know, I know. I know, but as far as… yeah. I'm aware. Ox: Listen, I'm running out of options trying to help you, OK? Daniel: Yeah, I know. Ox: You're living in very poor conditions. You're not eating enough. You're not taking care of yourself. Daniel: *sighs* Well.. Ox: You are going to die at a very young age. Daniel: No I'm not. Like, I literally- like I told you, like I made more money this week than I've ever made, and- Ox: You say this every week. Daniel: Well, I have proof. I literally have the proof. Ox: Is the money at least being sent to your personal Cash App? Daniel: Yes. Ox: OK. Daniel: So I literally have $175 that I've gained this week on top of I'm paying for all of my meals now, and I just got two of my biggest bills paid for the month. So I'm- Ox: OK, that's good. But you're still dine-and-dashing, which is, you're gonna get arrested. Daniel: No, I'm not dining-and-dashing, that I haven't done. Ox: Two nights ago, there was a dude who recognized you in the restaurant. He texted me and he said he paid for your tab, and that you didn't have to pay. Daniel: No, he offered to pay that day and- yeah, he offered to pay that day and he paid the bill. So… Ox: He paid. OK, well it's not gonna happen forever. You can't just expect that. Daniel: No, I know. I had the money that day too. Ox: Well, I saw what happened at Johnny and um, whatever the fuck the pasta place you were at, they kicked you out. Daniel: Yeah. They- that's weird because they told me like, they offered to pay that day. Even though I told them, like, I have the money. So they offered to pay, and that's when they decided to kick me out. So, I mean that, like, that's just based off my popularity at that point if they offer and then they refuse and then they, like- that's not my issue. That's theirs. But I like, completely understand what you're saying though. Ox: I wanna tell you something. Well, yeah, I just- I want you to know something because you keep getting fed bullshit. I've told you the truth a million times. Um, this most recent group that reached out to you, they're the trolls that have been messing with you this entire time. The fake LBI, they finally got what they wanted. They finally got you into the Discord. The girl who was Grace… Daniel: But I also exposed them too. Ox: OK, but the girl who was Grace, we found who she was. She's an OnlyFans model, her name is Crystal. She lives in Columbus, Ohio. Daniel: Mhm. Yeah and I found that out too. I was able to expose her. Ox: OK. I just wanna make sure that you know you're making money in this Discord because they're messing with you, right? People think it's funny. They're laughing AT you. Do you get that? Daniel: Right. Yeah, but- yes. But like I said, I've been able to ban about like, almost today I wanna say like 300 to 400 of the trolls and I am, right now, I got two to three different people now running that Discord that I can know is helping right now. Ox: OK, well you have about 20,000 people who, there's about 26,000 on the Reddit, I would say 2,001 are good for you. Daniel: People who are not, Yeah. Exactly. I- I- I know what you're saying. I know that and I appreciate you, I'm not like, against you… Ox: No, but you're fighting a war you can't win, Dan. You need to accept your help. You need to go back to your, you need to go back to your- Daniel: I'm not going back to Colorado. Ox: Well, then you need to let me take you somewhere, so… Daniel: I'm safer here than outside. Ox: I don't want you to go to a mental institution, OK? I want you to go find housing like you had in Denver. You have to keep working on it. You're gonna keep walking over to Santa Monica and dine-and-dashing. Daniel: That's what I'm working on, but you have to- yes. Yes! YES!!! No! I told you! I just fucking told you that they literally told me, I will pay for your bill. So, I said, OK, if you want to pay for my bill, go right fucking ahead, OK? After I left, I guess you know they decided to ban me. That's like I said, not my problem. They offered to pay previously. Ox: OK. OK. Sure, sure. Fuck those guys, but I don't want- Daniel: That's not dining and dashing. Ox: I need you, because I spoke to your case manager, right? Daniel: Yes. Ox: She said that you need to find some help out here. Daniel: But she's saying I need to set up my services out here and that's what I'm working on doing. But I said that it would take like, at least till February. Ox: For what? Daniel: To get set up, because I have to have my finances in place. Ox: No no no, you don't. You just have to walk in there with an ID. It's all you need. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah, but I can't do it at like; what time is it right now? Ox: No, of course you can't do it now, but you've been here a month, Dan. Daniel: But, yeah. But I'm also, like you have to realize that I've been on the phone with like, um, the recording studio at Paramount, I have an appointment set up later this week. Ox: OK. If you walk into Paramount, they're gonna walk you out with security, I guarantee. Daniel: No, it's a recording studio, it's not their- like it's, you have to have an appointment, so… Ox: OK, but you're recording music? Daniel: Yes. Ox: And you already paid for the session or you're going to? Daniel: I'm going to, so I have like, an appointment to talk about, like my idea and they're gonna give me like, a rough idea of what it's like, going to need and then from there, that's how it sets up. Ox: OK, you need to make sure you have the money for that session before you go in there. Daniel: Yeah, like, I can't just book it and then walk in, I know how that works. I have to book it first. Ox: Well listen, um, I wanna make sure that you know that uh, I haven't spoken to any of these fucking little kids who run this Discord server who are fucking with you, OK? I understand that they're making you money, but just know it's at your expense. Like, they're laughing AT you, Daniel. OK? They think you're an idiot. Daniel: No, I know, I know. I know. Ox: OK? So don't think it's some big business call when you go in there, it's a circus to them. Daniel: Yeah, no I know. I know. Ox: OK? I haven't spoken to any of these people and I haven't spoken to Grace. I don't know who the fuck Grace VanderWaal is, none of us have spoken to Grace VanderWaal, OK? You got a message from Tina. You haven't spoken to Grace. This girl is an OnlyFans model. Daniel: No, I- no. Like, I- no I completely know what you're saying… yes. Ox: Listen, let me tell you something, OK. And the bullshit that they're saying about me having a baby with Grace, or dating Grace, none of that was ever real. I have my own fucking girlfriend, you already met her. Daniel: And I- I- I told the fans about that, and I stopped that, well, yeah. Ox: No, well I saw some messages in your email, some really wild ass messages. But… Daniel: Like, I said, we've got those people blocked. Ox: Why block the only motherfucker- why block the only person who's been helping you? Daniel: I mean… Ox: You consider money help, I understand that. I'm the only fucker- I'm the only person you can call who is close to you. Daniel: Yeah, and I never blocked you. Ox: You blocked my number. I know you did, and you changed your number today. Daniel: Well, I- that's because I got my number leaked. Ox: Yeah, I leaked it! I had to, because you were in a call with trolls so I had to get people to call you so you would leave. You understand why I did that, right? Daniel: Yes, and- yes and so I changed my number because of that, so no wonder I lost contact! Ox: Yeah. No, you blocked me before that. Daniel: No, I didn't *coughs* Ox: OK, I'll take your word for it. Daniel: Because I had to turn off my notifications altogether, so I literally blocked everybody at that point and then I changed my phone number. So I mean, it's- like, I'm not like blocking you directly. Ox: Alright, well, please unblock my number. Daniel: I will. Ox: You don't need to call me all the time, you don't- just call me when you need to. Daniel: Alright, I will do that. Ox: And you need to promise me when you call me here in the next few days that you're going to find some sort of help. Daniel: Yes, I've been working on that like, all week. I've been on the phone with my case manager, I've been on the phone with my lawyer. Ox: She sent me resources, when you want to go, we can go. Daniel: Yes, and I've been sent it too, and then I've also, like, because I know that no matter if I get resources, I'm still gonna have to get money. Like that is still going to be needed. So I also have been contacting, like I said, the recording studio. I got off the phone with Bob, Bob says that he might be able to still send me some money for the recording studio as long as it's direct, so I got that taken care of this week. And now I'm working on the lyrics for this next song as well and that's only going to be even better because that means I'm going to be getting more money. So I'm getting everything set up, it's a process. Ox: OK, well you- you understand you're not making that much money for music yet. Daniel: I'm making, this month- last month it was $1,000, this month it's dropped to $600. Ox: I don't think you've ever even over, maybe $10 to be honest with you. Daniel: No, um, like today I had four different Starbucks drinks all paid for. Ox: Well because you're getting troll donation money. Daniel: I mean that still income. Here's the thing. Ox: That's not music related like I said. Daniel: No, I'm just saying that like, income is income and I don't give a shit, alright? Ox: OK. Daniel: Like I'm gonna do whatever I need to do to get that income and then throw it straight towards production. Ox: OK. Well if you wanna stay in that Discord server, stay in it, OK? Just know that they're fucking with you, if you wanna make your money, then make your money. Just make sure all of it goes to you. Daniel: I'm aware. I'm aware. And you know what? I don't- I also don't care what I say in that server because I know what I'm saying as well, and I'm screenshotting evidence and then- so I do like, I do have what I need to be able to back me up and then I'm also, you know, like trolls are gonna be trolls. There's nothing I can do about it. Ox: OK good. OK. Daniel: But I do know what they're doing and I am aware. Ox: Yeah. Don't let these guys to get you to go in public and get drunk either, OK? That's gonna cause nothing but problems. No more drinks. Daniel: Alright. I mean, it was only a shot glass, and I knew that like, it was just one shot glass. Ox: I know, but… that could easily turn into more, though. Daniel: But I'm saying that, you know, that guy did also give me $50 for that shot glass so of course, you know, I was like, $50? That's literally going to be my gym membership bill, bingo! Like, you see what I'm saying? Ox: Yeah. Daniel: So I did do that, just you know- because I mean, one drink for one day is not that bad at all… Ox: No it's not. Daniel: So I did, you know, do that for that 50. I do know my limits. Ox: OK, well as long as you understand the situation. Daniel: And I'm, like, I'm more concerned right now about how the heck you found me all the way out here! Ox: I've been watching where you were for the past couple days. Daniel: I saw you in a car driving around. Ox: No, I wasn't in a car. I walked with you from, probably san 26th and whatever. Daniel: That's crazy dude! *chuckles* Ox: Yeah it is! It actually is crazy Dan. Daniel: Like dude, it's actually crazy that you had to like, walk with all this difference… distance. And then also, like, what happened to your RV? Like.. Ox: Well, I knew you were here. It's fine. It's fine. I have it still. Daniel: Alright. Ox: Um, but I knew you were here. I had to confirm you were here because I was worried, OK? Daniel: Alright. Ox: Um… Daniel: Well, I mean at least that clears that up. Ox: OK. Daniel: And then, you know, I will unblock you and I will go after those trolls now, that said that. Ox: Do whatever you want with them, Dan. um, but… I need you to understand that I'm not your manager, I'm just somebody that's been trying to help you and you're making that very hard to do. Daniel: But um… no I know that! I know that! Um, I did actually tell the fans though, that um, because I did the mathematics. If we got 30 people to donate $20 a day for five years, so I mean with the fanbase that's doable, OK? I mean, we would have to be live all day long, that is $10,000,000. That is enough to do our own private production. Like our own private movie, and put it out, same thing like we do the music, right? But put it out on like Netflix and things like that, OK? So I literally, I'm gonna- ends video |
Post Fallout Involvement
Despite their falling out, and Ox’s harsh words against Daniel in their last meeting, Ox was engaged in the April 1st Q&A hosted on Discord by Daniel’s new managers. Ox offered the new managers a lot of advice, keeping a neutral opinion on their voluntary management, while offering advice on how to handle Daniel's behaviors and keep him at bay. While Ox talked a lot about his experience with Daniel's negative attributes and behaviors, he did so in a way that was not necessarily to persuade the "managers" to not wish to interact with Daniel. Ox would continue to keep up with Larson, posting an update on his TikTok.
On April 6th, Ox uploads another update outlining Daniel Larson HQ's involvement in recent incidents and his intervention that put an end to their trolling of Michael Quinn.
Reddit AMA
On April 17th, 2023, on the r/daniellarson subreddit, Ox, under the name "YungDaddyOx," hosted an AMA. Below are some highlights.
How do you see this ending? Will Daniel ever go back to assisted living? - NYgirl78
Potentially. Low odds though. I think it’s going to be like this a while. Court won’t punish him, he won’t listen to reason. He is effectively in a limbo of hell and delusion.
what’s your thoughts on daniels pedophilia? - harmilk
I do not believe it is excusable, but it is understandable. I’ve had my back and forth a with this, but as I realized there was some stuff that was not troll created and he is a sexual deviant I was a bit pissed because I put so much time into his health and he told me it was never him. But I also came to see just how disabled he is. I spoke to some guys who interviewed me recently who were great and one of them basically hit it on the nose and said “we generally don’t give disabled people unfettered access to kids” or something along those lines. To be honest this is a common issue with severely disabled and not having that right from wrong. He is not functioning what so ever. You can claim oh he made it this far and he’s survived on the streets. Dan by no means would survive without his fan base homeless and would absolutely be dead by now.
Why does Dan keep falling for these fake Graces, Tina Vanderwall etc, etc? [...] - No-Top83
I think Dan isnt so much in love with grace so much as hes in love with the attention and consistency a “grace” has provided in his life for the past few years. He never had any stability growing up, he was raised in an abusive household from the day he was born up until the Tennyson centre. It has been so incessant that I think he as totally lost touch with reality and fantasy. He is autistic and has both bipolar and schizophrenia, He doesnt know what a relationship is and was never given the tools to differentiate a healthy from a bad. It’s just a massive cocktail for disaster, and i think thats why its been so easy for people to troll him. His delusions paired with someone willing to be grace will always align.
Is Daniel a threat to society? - Animator_Green-light
Him combined with his trolls, absolutely. Eventually something is going to happen that will wind up being very bad. This sub will try to disappear and people are going to get looked into. I am just watching from a distance right now, try to prevent what I can.
See also
 Dog Arc
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