November 23rd Jail Call
On November 23, 2024, Daniel called Lil Sippy and says that he will not be listening to his lawyer.[1] Lil Sippy had sent him a Grace VanderWaal song book in the mail.[2]
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*Lil Sippy’s phone rings and he accepts * Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. You will not be charged for this call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. *Lil Sippy presses 5 * You may begin speaking now. Lil Sippy: Hello? Daniel: Hey, so I got the songbook. Lil Sippy: Is it good? I don’t know what it’s about, is it- do you like it? Daniel: Yeah, no, it’s great, but there is a issue I also found out, and I was able to fully verify with evidence. Lil Sippy: What’s that? Daniel: So, we already know that Tina, right? Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: Is lying. She’s been in contact with me, the uh, VanderWaal Studio account I’ve been in contact with, so she’s lying about almost everything. Um, another thing that I found out is, if you listen to a lot of Grace’s songs… Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re about you. Yeah. Daniel: They’re 100% about me, like every single song. Without me, her career would be going down the drain. Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: And not only that, with Tina being completely not helpful right now, it’s only making things worse, and I think I figured out why my public defender is saying that Grace is out of picture and everything. And it’s serious. Lil Sippy: Why’s that? Why is he saying that? Daniel: So, I- first of all, I was looking at the lyrics, more direct, OK? Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: And it is… she’s actually in a couple of her songs, mentioning the- there was a picture of me, OK? That was videotaped, well not really videotaped but I guess taken a picture of while I was in the shower, and it got leaked all over the internet, OK? It’s one picture, and it was taken behind my back by a person in my disability housing and I was fully nude. Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: At that point, Grace was underaged back then. Lil Sippy: OK? Daniel: Now, because it got leaked to the internet, Grace around that time was- and I were planning to go on tour. We were talking about going on tour. We weren’t actually serious or even talking about a relationship, you see what I mean? Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: But Grace saw the picture of me, right? And I guess her mother misinterpreted that video, OK? Lil Sippy: How did her mother interpret it? Daniel: She thought that I was into, I guess children and was a pedophile, but the thing is that was never the case, OK? So then, right, so this was way back in like 2020, OK? In 2022, Gra- uh, Tina reached out to me and said, “stop talking to Grace”, or “stop talking to the people claiming to be Grace, it’s not Grace.” And that was the video, or that was time right in 2022 where in my legal discovery, I said to Tina which Tina is lying in my legal discovery, but I told Tina that day when Grace was at her family’s, or at her mother’s or something, and Tina denies that Grace was in contact, Tina contacted Grace because she was sitting right next to her, right on the couch or something, and Grace admitted to being in contact with me all along behind Tina’s back. Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: You see what I mean? This was in 2020, or no, 2022. This was in 2022. Lil Sippy: Mhm. Yeah. Daniel: And when this was going on, that’s when Tina got involved was in 2022. Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: If there was never supposed to be anything sexually related other than in 2022 when Tina started getting serious about looking at houses in Colorado, see what I mean? Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: So at that point, the relationship was at some point around there, confirmed. You see what I mean? My biological father lied to me as well, saying that he was not in contact with Grace when he was, as Bob told me- Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel: Bob told me he was not in contact with Griffin or Tina at the time, but yet Griffin and Tina both told me on VanderWaal Studio’s account, Tina told me that she was in contact with Bob. Lil Sippy: So what are all these people’s motives for lying to you? Daniel: So, I- that’s what I’m trying to figure out is never once, just because I had pictures of models and stuff on my phone, and I- Grace wanted me to talent scout, and I guess her modeling or whatever she wanted to do, I don’t fucking know. But she wanted me to become a talent scout for Interscope Records at some point, and somewhere along in there is when I started looking, going through social media as a talent scout, looking for other artists. Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: Never once was it anything sexual, but because of the picture, right, back in 2020 that got leaked to social media, ever since then I’ve been a victim of sexual assaults. Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: On the streets, um, other people are coming up to me, just in general trying to say, you know, “hey, you know, you’re a pedophile.” Never once was I. See what I mean? Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re just trying to- they’re trying to frame you. Daniel: They’re trying to frame me now, and Tina I think, because Tina did talk to the FBI, there is proof of that, I think- and Griffin. I believe that the FBI is just lying to them without the full verification, and I was- also on top of that, somewhere in like the first or second interview I had with the FBI, I was framed to admit to somebody claiming to be Tina, I don’t think it was, but it might have been, where I actually admitted that I was because I was asked five or six times in a row, I just kind of grave up and I started like, saying whatever, you know what I mean? Because I was asked so many times.
Lil Sippy: Yeah, you were coerced into it. Daniel: Co-herced (coerced), exactly. So this entire thing is cohercion, and because of my autism, you see what I mean? ‘Cause I don’t know if I have autism, but I think I do somewhere or, who knows, it might just be trauma from everything, I don’t fucking know, but you see I mean, is- because I was asked like six or seven, even when I asked the FBI to stop asking because it’s not true, they continued to ask me and I ended up straight up just saying, “yeah, no, it happened. Lil Sippy: Yeah, they’re trying to coerce you. Daniel: Never once- right. And then if Tina, and my problem is if Tina actually somehow got a hold of that information, now Tina’s like, “OK, now this entire situation with my daughter, I’m not going to allow.” Lil Sippy: And then- and now she’s trying to use it against you- Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Lil Sippy: Use it against you and then blackmail you? Daniel: In a way, yes, and what she needs to end up knowing is none of that is true. Everything was coherced (coerced) by the FBI and Secret Service. They were asking me so many times, even after I asked them to stop. I had nobody with me because I was homeless, to step in and just say, look, this needs to be- this needs to stop. This is turning into harassment. And that’s why I was going on social media saying, look, Daniel MacDougall, or Daniel MacDougall whatever his name is, was harassing me and was putting out misinformation, and every single right to be concerned about that, and to be scared. Lil Sippy: Yeah it’s- Daniel: And nowadays it seems like, in society, we cannot ask for help, because when I asked for help, they accused me of what I was asking for help with. They turned it around on me, and now I see Tina’s point, I- they could go bankrupt if you really think about it, they could go straight up bankrupt in lawsuits at this point because there’s so much that has happened. Lil Sippy: Yeah, that’s what I was just about to say. It sounds like you need to sue the FBI. Daniel: And that’s gonna be very very difficult to do, very very difficult. And not only that, another thing I found out, Griffin told me he wants to have me out by Christmas, but my public defender is saying don’t talk to Griffin, don’t talk to you, whatever, Tina we already know is saying that. But the- but here’s the thing. In January, my public defender is saying if I’m not transferred, he’s gonna drop the case. Lil Sippy: Yeah, that much is true, I know that, ‘cause.. Daniel: That much is true, the thing is, if they’re gonna drop the case, then they can’t even transfer me. That means they don’t have a case to begin with, which means they can’t transfer me as long as I’m still in custody. The only thing they could do is outpatient, which means I should be able to walk out this door today, and of course I’m not gonna do that because I’m in custody, ‘cause that would be like running away from, uh, or escape. So I’m not gonna do that, but I’m just saying that, if that is really true that they’re planning to drop the case in January if I’m not transferred, I am not going to be transferred and the case is gonna be dropped. See what I mean? Lil Sippy: Yeah, hopefully you don’t get transferred. Daniel: Well the thing is, the way I’m looking at it is they cannot legally transfer me, because you have to know, see what I mean? What drop the case means. Drop the case means I’m going to trial, I’m innocent. They can only keep me in custody and transfer me to another facility where I’m going to be in custody if they can find me guilty, and they can’t because they’re saying that they are dropping the case in January if I’m NOT transferred. Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: That makes no sense from their point of view. Lil Sippy: Oh, it’s something weird going, they’re definitely- Daniel: There is something very very weird, and then my public defender is saying, as well as Tina, don’t talk to your fans, don’t talk to your friends, don’t talk to Tina, don’t talk to this. There is no proof anywhere where it says right now that I’m not allowed to. I have rights where I can contact friends and family. They’re trying to go against my legal right. Lil Sippy: They’re trying to violate your rights, they even said don’t talk to Bob, right? And you’ve known Bob for how many years. Daniel: Right, and Bob’s still not answering, and I’m to a point after I’ve asked him repeatively (repeatedly) to help, and he’s refused as well. I’m just- I don’t want anything to do with him anymore. The only issue is, I kind of feel, after reading Grace’s songs and everything and just listening to everything, because I’ve listened to her songs forever, but I’m just saying. After listening to Grace’s songs more, I really feel kind of the same way that Grace feels on a lot of things. I don’t know what to do, you know, I’m concerned about the picture being leaked, it’s not my fault, and… Lil Sippy: Yeah, yeah. It’s- it’s… it’s kind of like a, it’s like a Romeo and Juliet situation. You want to be with Grace, Grace wants to be with you. Daniel: And very very much- well, she wants to be with me, but at the same time, because of that picture… Lil Sippy: Tina’s saying get away. Daniel: Right, but because of the picture that got leaked on the internet or whatever, she also can’t get that out of her mind, she can’t- you know what I mean, ‘cause she was underaged at that time. Lil Sippy: Yeah, yeah. Daniel: So just watching me being homeless, and watching me struggle in life is really, in my opinion, what’s bringing her into everything, and wanting to be with me. It’s- so.. Lil Sippy: Yeah, ‘cause she’s going through the same stuff, and other- yeah. Daniel: Right, ‘cause it’s like Romeo and Juliet. She’s tired of seeing me suffer, and that’s turning into love. Kind of like a victim and victim turning into victims loving each other. Lil Sippy: Definitely. Daniel: That is, that’s not good. Lil Sippy: Well, I would say, as long as Grace wants to be with you, it’s- you know, it’s good. Daniel: I- I agree, but at this point I feel like I shouldn’t be in custody anymore, they’re gonna drop the case in January if I’m not transferred, they should drop it now, but anyways, I gotta go ‘cause the phone’s about to cut out, I’ll try to call you back either tomorrow morning or later tonight. Lil Sippy: Alright, have a good night. Bye. Daniel: Alright, bye. |